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Posted: 8/17/2005 5:14:55 PM EDT
Let me preface this by saying that guns are a hobby of mine, snakes are my real passion.

Having said that, I am considering my first re-finish job. I wanted to do something a little different.
So what better inspiration than some of natures most stealthy animals?

So I have narrowed it down to two possible camouflage patterns.

1) The North American Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix)

2) The African Gaboon Viper (Bitis gabonica)

So which would look best on an AR?
And has anyone tried this approach before?

Thanks.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1064265/Thayer-copperhead.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1064265/EastAfricangaboonviper.jpg
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:22:23 PM EDT
Both look like they would make a cool and effective camo setup. I think it comes down to where you will be using the rifle...


If you were going to go roll around in a sandbox for a while, I would suggest the copperhead pattern, as it has more of a sandy coloration.

On the other hand, if you were going to a more heavily wooded area I would go with the second pattern (the viper pattern)

BTW I think this is a really cool idea and I can't wait to see how it turns out!
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:28:18 PM EDT
Gaboon viper camo would be friggin awesome. I have always loved those snakes.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:32:58 PM EDT
Cool idea, but..............damn I hate snakes!
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:40:32 PM EDT
What snakes?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:43:06 PM EDT
I seriously did not see a snake in the top pic when I looked at it the first time. I still cant see his head.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:47:43 PM EDT
that would be great! but I feel sorry for you if you put the rifle down and turn your head! thats nice camo.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:50:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 6:04:37 PM EDT by JaketheSnake]

Originally Posted By DevL:
I seriously did not see a snake in the top pic when I looked at it the first time. I still cant see his head.



I don't see them either.......until the lawn mower makes this thump noise and spits them out.


You should focus on foilage in your area and foilage that's at least 2 feet above the ground. Snakes blend in great on the floor of any woods area.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 5:51:54 PM EDT
Hello,

I'd go with the NA copperhead. The darker reds will blend in better overall than the black in a universal settings. I think a grey would help my 17 blend in better than the black. I find the black actually shows movement more than tans or greys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/harley400/truck172.jpg
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:03:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bonus:
Hello,

I'd go with the NA copperhead. The darker reds will blend in better overall than the black in a universal settings. I think a grey would help my 17 blend in better than the black. I find the black actually shows movement more than tans or greys.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/harley400/truck172.jpg



That is sweet.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:06:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bonus:
Hello,

I'd go with the NA copperhead. The darker reds will blend in better overall than the black in a universal settings. I think a grey would help my 17 blend in better than the black. I find the black actually shows movement more than tans or greys.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/harley400/truck172.jpg



That looks GREAT

It really does break up the gun. If you stepped back 50 yards and took a pick, I bet people would have a hard time finding the rifle.
Nice green colors like that tifosi that should look nice.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:21:48 PM EDT
Unless you live in an area where there is almost nothing but brown, I don't think either would be effective.


If you are just looking for a pattern, either would be unusual.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:23:28 PM EDT
Digital Gaboon Viper Pattern, a.k.a. GAVPAT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:45:03 PM EDT
The African Gaboon Viper pattern would be awesome and unique. I definetly want to see pics of this one when its done!!!heavy.gifheavy.gifheavy.gif
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:03:03 PM EDT
i think depending on were you lived you could paint your gun brown or green and it would work fine. i think the snake idea is very cool, but some good points were made about thats ground cover and your probably not gonna be belly crawling all that much. i think the top one is the coolest though
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:08:02 PM EDT
I've dealt with many a copperhead and lemme tell ya, you can't see those SOBs till it's too late. I would definatly go with that pattern. I've always wanted to do a real snake pattern, so I'd love to see yours when you get done, no matter what pattern you pick.

Great pics too! I couldn't see half the copper head at first
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:14:28 PM EDT
I'm from the south east, so I say go with the copperhead.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 1:26:20 AM EDT
Both look very cool. I'm also partial to the Copperhead.
What method and materials do you plan to use?
The hydrogrgraphics process looks seriously awsome!!
Post some pics when you're done.

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Link Posted: 8/18/2005 1:33:09 AM EDT
Very interesting idea. I'd love to see pics of the finished product. Good luck!
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:04:15 AM EDT
+1 for the Copperhead pattern

Looking forward to seeing the results
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:33:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 02Overlander:
+1 for the Copperhead pattern

Looking forward to seeing the results



+2, hardly saw it in the photo.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:37:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wombat_SCSO:
Very interesting idea. I'd love to see pics of the finished product. Good luck!



+1
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:37:51 AM EDT
VIPER, it has more urban details.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:40:22 AM EDT
Thanks for the comments guys.

I agree that either of these patterns is most effective when on the forest floor. (Hence that's where the snakes live). So firing in a prone position, amongst dried leaves, would be ideal.

However, at this point in time, tactical effectiveness is not a primary concern. I'm more looking to do a refinish exercise.

The copperhead may be the best to start out with, since it has fewer colors and simplier shapes.

I think the geometric pattern of the Gaboon would look awesome on an AR, but as a first time paint job, it could prove very difficult to effectively replicate.

Also, the camo effect of both of these snakes is amplified when they are coiled up, as opposed to stretched out. How does that translate to a rifle? I don't know.

Cowboy7243001, You're right. Anyone who hasn't experienced a CH in the wild can't understand how incredible effective their camo actually is!

I will most definitely post pics of the finished product, but I'm not putting a timeline on it. I tend to work slow and methodically!
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:45:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JaketheSnake:

Originally Posted By DevL:
I seriously did not see a snake in the top pic when I looked at it the first time. I still cant see his head.



I don't see them either.......until the lawn mower makes this thump noise and spits them out.


You should focus on foilage in your area and foilage that's at least 2 feet above the ground. Snakes blend in great on the floor of any woods area.

Me either, my first thought was we are looking at leaves on the ground...
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 5:59:19 AM EDT
I like the copperhead. when you get done make sure to post pics.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 6:08:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Clayfish:
I like the copperhead. when you get done make sure to post pics.



+1
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:22:04 PM EDT
using a net pattern can make it kind of "scaly"....
i finally got up the nerve to paint an ACOG!!!!

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:05:29 PM EDT
tifosi,
I just photographed an African Gaboon in a zoo so I could get my fifty cal painted that way.
That pattern is very cool
Moose
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 1:21:32 AM EDT
Pics when you are done.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 10:39:58 AM EDT
thats a badass camo job man. well done.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 11:19:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2005 11:20:22 AM EDT by davidp14]
I know that I have cursed the excellent camo on those damn copperheads a few times myself.
Those little f*&kers seem to just pop out of nowhere. Thankfully I've never been bitten.

Anyway, thats my vote and.......TAG for pics.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 11:24:45 AM EDT
Tag for pics.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 9:20:47 PM EDT
Tag for pictures. Also want to know how that bolt gun pattern from BONUS was done???
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 9:54:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 62nd_Assassin:
using a net pattern can make it kind of "scaly"....
i finally got up the nerve to paint an ACOG!!!!




VERY nice job!!!
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 10:17:50 PM EDT
Sort of a simluated snakeskin effect on this MAK90. Done with net I believe.

Link Posted: 9/13/2005 9:24:14 PM EDT
Another vote from the SE goes for the copper head. I think either would be cool though, I too am interested to see how the "non-coiling ability" of an AR has an affect on the effectiveness of the pattern. Those pictures of the snakes just remind you of how incredible nature is. Those pics take my breath away, escpecially after dealing w/ copper heads on numerous occassions. Love it.
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