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Posted: 12/30/2002 6:55:14 AM EDT
i just heard that colt lost the government contract about 6 weeks ago and they will no longer be making rifles. i heard bushmaster is now the current supplier to the government.

is this true?
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 7:06:49 AM EDT
Colt's government contract is to make the M4 which they have the patent on.  I do not think that there is a snowball's chance in hell that they would lose a contract on something they patented and have the sole right to make.  FNMI is the current supplier to the military for the M16.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 7:12:01 AM EDT
Bushmaster made M4s for the govt during Desert Storm and Colt sued because they have rights to the M4.  Colt has not made the M16 for a while as stated previously FN makes the M16A2.  Bushmaster makes M4s for other govt entities like the Dept of Energy however.  Those barrels have a 1/7 twist.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:06:52 AM EDT
Why the hell does the Dept. of Energy need M4s?
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:12:43 AM EDT
They protect things like nuclear material storage facilities and the strategic oil reserves....unimportants stuff like that.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:18:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:40:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2002 11:43:26 AM EDT by das_ronin]
Colt has some pretty powerful friends in the Army and Marines,  As I understand it Colt has the patent for 20(?) years on the "technology package" for the M4 and M16A4.

I have one of the Atomic Energy Commission (predessessor for DOE) M16s in my personal collection.  It is actually an AR15 Model 614.  It is marked A.E.C. and USERDA/PANTEX.  I have it updated to a M16A4 config.  Purchased in the early 60s by the AEC, later sold to a PD then sold to a collector, who later sold it to me...

Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:48:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2002 12:02:56 PM EDT by imposter]
The technical data package is not technically a patent.  But the military has made a commitment not to purchase the item from someone else.  Essentially, the military can not purchase M4s from anyone other than Colt until 2011.  The court case is [i]FN Manufacturing, Inc., v. The United States of America and Colt’s Manufacturing Company, Inc.[/i], 44 Fed. Cl. 449 (1999).

Some of the M4 components are also patented.  IIRC, most of the patents, such as the one for the heatshields, run out in the next couple years.  So we will able to buy carbines with M4 features from the competition, but the Army will not.

Stupid but true.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 12:20:25 PM EDT
I believe the military switched from Colt to FN for M16's in 1986.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 12:21:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2002 12:25:53 PM EDT by Troy]
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 12:40:56 PM EDT
thanks for the info. i hear a lot of things about colt and never know what to believe.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 12:53:14 PM EDT
I guess they have to guard it now. Hell, Billary Clinton was selling our nuclear secrets to the Chi-coms for illegal campaign donations.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 3:40:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BullMoose270:
Why the hell does the Dept. of Energy need M4s?
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Well can you imagine AK weilding terrorists trying to bomb a major nuclear power plant?  What would YOU suggest they use to stop that?  Some pepper spray, a night stick and harsh language?!?
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 4:59:43 PM EDT
no, thats reserved for Local police..... LOL
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 8:52:15 PM EDT
Some of the M4 components are also patented.  IIRC, most of the patents, such as the one for the heatshields
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Is this why Bushmaster's M4 comes with standard carbine handguards?  Damn, because of that dumb patent I have to spend more money!  Oh well, I don't seem to have a problem spending money on AR's [:D]

Marc
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 11:37:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MarcW:
Some of the M4 components are also patented.  IIRC, most of the patents, such as the one for the heatshields
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Is this why Bushmaster's M4 comes with standard carbine handguards?  Damn, because of that dumb patent I have to spend more money!  Oh well, I don't seem to have a problem spending money on AR's [:D]

Marc
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Yes, the double heat shielded handguards are patented by Colt.  Although you can get the Colt produced handguards just about anywhere, for a higher price than the CAR handguards of course.
Link Posted: 12/31/2002 6:36:36 AM EDT
I heard tha that the SEAls are still using some Bushmasters. I know the Marines were not happy with the M4 only because they are "riflemen" and still shoot 600 yards plus. FN also makes the the SAW for the military.
Link Posted: 12/31/2002 1:15:41 PM EDT
"Why the hell does the Dept. of Energy need M4s?"

I don't know if they are DOE personel or not, but I know the security at the Nevada Nuclear Test Site are armed with all the latest hardware. It is a DOE facility.
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