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Posted: 11/14/2014 8:32:24 PM EDT
Just look...look at the beam-pattern.
I just wanna puke after I saw what I had created.









And the rifle.


I love how lightweight this 300 blackout build is, but I can't deal with that beam-pattern, especially since this is my "nighttime rifle".
Please give me some suggestions.
Full length rail that will cover up the suppressor?
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 8:34:48 PM EDT
I wouldn't call it disgusting. Light could be a little less focussed and I suppose you could change the rail but you'll be adding weight.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 8:37:02 PM EDT
Mount the light to a Beowulf x. Problem solved. You're welcome.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 8:50:53 PM EDT
Why the hell is your RDS on the rail?
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:01:57 PM EDT
You could change flip the light so it is mounted above the can which would cast the shadow in the lower quadrant which you might find better.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:05:33 PM EDT
Why the hell is your RDS on the rail?
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Cause it's a red dot. The rail is free float, I like the optic further away from my face. Are you worried about POI shift?
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:06:33 PM EDT
Mount the light to a Beowulf x. Problem solved. You're welcome.
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Do they make a keymod mount to adapt to the Beowulf X standard?
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:12:26 PM EDT
I wouldn't call it disgusting. Light could be a little less focussed and I suppose you could change the rail but you'll be adding weight.
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That is exactly my dilemma.

I am thinking about a Fortis rail, gonna add 5 or 6 ounces, but mayby that's an excuse to get lighter recievers.
I am really happy with my other Daniel defense stuff, so the MFR is another option. But I would like to keep it key-mod.....
Thanks
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:20:17 PM EDT
I'm sure it's been done before, but that's the first time "I" see a scope mounted to a rail.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:27:32 PM EDT
Just something to deal with when mounting a can.  Happens to everyone.  Nothing to fix, just get used to it when the can is mounted.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:29:49 PM EDT
I would move the dot back to upper. Your night rifle is missing an IR laser and a PVS14.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:33:32 PM EDT
Aero m4e1 enhanced receiver with their keymod 15" rail to go over suppressor.

Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:33:46 PM EDT
I would move the dot back to upper. Your night rifle is missing an IR laser and a PVS14.
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Ive got the 14, and a DBAL, but I'm now too poor to buy for the PVS mount.

But some times you just gotta shine a light in a FSA's face!
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:40:23 PM EDT
Aero m4e1 enhanced receiver with their keymod 15" rail to go over suppressor.
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That actually looks about perfect. Wonder what the difference in weight would be. I can't find anything on their website.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:45:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:


That actually looks about perfect. Wonder what the difference in weight would be. I can't find anything on their website.
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:
Aero m4e1 enhanced receiver with their keymod 15" rail to go over suppressor.


That actually looks about perfect. Wonder what the difference in weight would be. I can't find anything on their website.


I don't know the weight yet, but they have daily deals all month.  He bought an upper receiver for $130.  Should be here next week.  I also got a 12" mlok handguard coming from Brownells.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:45:24 PM EDT
Mount the light so it is at the 11 O'clock position and put a pressure switch at the 12 O'clock position.

This will shift the shadow into the lower right hand side of the weapon and allow for better heads up illuminating with the light
Problem solved.


I also agree, mount the optic to the upper. Rail systems do move and will have an impact on POA/POI.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:51:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By notgrownupyetSBR556:
Mount the light so it is at the 11 O'clock position and put a pressure switch at the 12 O'clock position.

This will shift the shadow into the lower right hand side of the weapon and allow for better heads up illuminating with the light
Problem solved.


I also agree, mount the optic to the upper. Rail systems do move and will have an impact on POA/POI.
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I tend to think this, at least for a temporary fix. At least you can pick where you would prefer the shadown to be, but I think a longer rail would be about the only complete fix.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 9:58:48 PM EDT
Just mount another light to the other side.

No more shadows.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:01:48 PM EDT
go sbr and cover your suppressor with the hand guard..... or quit crying and deal with it.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:13:53 PM EDT
Well what did you expect?? You couldn't see that coming??
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:15:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2014 10:16:38 PM EDT by bending_rodriguez]
You can't cover the sdn6/m4-2k with a rail.  You need access to the removal latch.
eTA:  Dover...its kind of obvious it's already an sbr....
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:15:51 PM EDT
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Dupe
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:30:16 PM EDT
The more I look at ot the worse it looks.  Why dont you give this shit up and supervise a soup kitchen or something.  Or buy a different light. Not too hard to figger out.  A very cool set up with minor shit going on.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:38:24 PM EDT
YMMV but id move the dot back a few slots
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 10:50:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By prybar:
Just mount another light to the other side.

No more shadows.
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That's what I am likely gonna try when my Specwar comes in as I'm not keen on covering the suppressor (that and using a Specwar under a rail would be a hassle ).

I guess it comes down to the 2 is 1, and 1 is none rule.

Link Posted: 11/14/2014 11:15:29 PM EDT
Add another light.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 11:28:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:


Cause it's a red dot. The rail is free float, I like the optic further away from my face. Are you worried about POI shift?
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:
Why the hell is your RDS on the rail?


Cause it's a red dot. The rail is free float, I like the optic further away from my face. Are you worried about POI shift?

I don't think you understand what free float actually entails...
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 11:33:55 PM EDT
You can't cover the sdn6/m4-2k with a rail. You need access to the removal latch.
eTA: Dover...its kind of obvious it's already an sbr....
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Yes it's an sbr.

However Its an OLD 18T    08 SD762.
Which has no latch, just a little spring. So that isn't an issue.
Link Posted: 11/14/2014 11:41:58 PM EDT
I don't think you understand what free float actually entails...
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So its OK to mount an IR laser to a FF rail.
Its OK to mount Irons on a FF rail.
But somehow it isn't OK to mount a 1X Aimpoint on a FF rail?
Please tell us more. What is the concern about?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 12:12:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:


So its OK to mount an IR laser to a FF rail.
Its OK to mount Irons on a FF rail.
But somehow it isn't OK to mount a 1X Aimpoint on a FF rail?
Please tell us more. What is the concern about?
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:
I don't think you understand what free float actually entails...


So its OK to mount an IR laser to a FF rail.
Its OK to mount Irons on a FF rail.
But somehow it isn't OK to mount a 1X Aimpoint on a FF rail?
Please tell us more. What is the concern about?

I believe he is saying your primary optic belongs on the receiver because it will be much more likely to be concentric with the bore with likely being the key word.  Much more likely if the receiver has been lapped.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:02:35 AM EDT
Mount the light at 12 o'clock. Shadow is on the bottom now. You're welcome.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:17:18 AM EDT
1.  Ditch the big honkin old school Surefire.

2.  Purchase Surefire X300U.

3.  Mount at the 12 o'clock position.

4.  ????????????

5.  Profit.

/thread

And you're welcome.  
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 3:57:26 AM EDT
God I wish the problems I have in life were like this
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 6:17:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:


That actually looks about perfect. Wonder what the difference in weight would be. I can't find anything on their website.
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Originally Posted By JellyJugz:
Aero m4e1 enhanced receiver with their keymod 15" rail to go over suppressor.


That actually looks about perfect. Wonder what the difference in weight would be. I can't find anything on their website.



You don't need the enhanced upper to run that rail. Just get the BAR nut from Seekins Precision to attach it to a standard upper. I run the 15" quad rail from Aero and I definitely like it a lot. It does add some weight but it is still very manageable.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:01:03 AM EDT
Opp's i just puked.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:20:21 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By notgrownupyetSBR556:


Mount the light so it is at the 11 O'clock position and put a pressure switch at the 12 O'clock position.



This will shift the shadow into the lower right hand side of the weapon and allow for better heads up illuminating with the light

Problem solved.





I also agree, mount the optic to the upper. Rail systems do move and will have an impact on POA/POI.
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+1, and get a light with a wider spill.

 
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:36:52 AM EDT
I can see the flash hider on my only functional AR  with a light. I've got two other s in the works so maybe one of those will be better.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 9:30:11 AM EDT
RDS is fine where it is.  its always better to mount them as far forward as your set-up allows
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 9:44:14 AM EDT
Mount a TLR1s or TLR1HL HL on the top rail in front of your sight. Reduced weight, more streamlined, and should solve your beam pattern problem.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 10:23:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcantu:
RDS is fine where it is.  its always better to mount them as far forward as your set-up allows
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I've got a 15" rail on mine. so it should be at the end by the muzzle?


where do you get this information?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 11:21:13 AM EDT
Short section of rail + a cantilever scope mount ... cut the rear ring off
Problem solved for 25 bucks
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 12:57:14 PM EDT
Mount the flashlight to the suppressor.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HatinHillbilly:
Short section of rail + a cantilever scope mount ... cut the rear ring off
Problem solved for 25 bucks
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I am trying to wrap my mind around this.  Could you please explain this in more detail?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:21:25 PM EDT
I don’t know the OD of his light but the lights I’ve looked at are 1“
Scope mounts come in 1“
The way I see his issue is .... the light wants to be forward and away ... eliminating the shadow
Thats exactly what a cantilever scope mount would do ... why not use one for a light?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:25:24 PM EDT
Take it outside and shine it at something further than 3' away. That shadow is going to be a whole lot less noticeable once you're outside.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:26:03 PM EDT
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God I wish the problems I have in life were like this
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Ain't that the truth
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:34:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HatinHillbilly:
I don’t know the OD of his light but the lights I’ve looked at are 1“
Scope mounts come in 1“
The way I see his issue is .... the light wants to be forward and away ... eliminating the shadow
Thats exactly what a cantilever scope mount would do ... why not use one for a light?
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But an actual light mount like the Thorntail Adaptive will do this much better, at a fraction of the weight, and zero bubba-gunsmithery.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:41:03 PM EDT
So
You had the solution but you don’t say anything until its time to show someone up?

BTW
I have a mill id use on such a project / not bubba
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:44:35 PM EDT
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So
You had the solution but you don’t say anything until its time to show someone up?

BTW
I have a mill id use on such a project / not bubba
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Um, no, nobody is showing anybody up, and the HSP is a very well-known product on this board.  I did not understand what an overweight cantilever scope mount would add to this other than weight.  He already has a can.

You always seem to get very pissed, very quickly around here.  Thicker skin is recommended.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 1:50:52 PM EDT
I would just get over it. Every rifle I have casts a shadow when the can is on it. The can also adds more weight, makes my gun dirtier, and moves my POI. All just things to consider.
I don't think I'm going to miss out on anything because my can casts a slight shadow.

RE red dot: people recommend against it because despite being free float the handguard actually moves during recoil. It likely returns to the same position but if you watch an AR on a high-speed camera there's enough flex up front I don't put optics up there anymore
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 3:35:59 PM EDT
I take my tactical Illumination seriously.
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This is my most used upper, CMMG 22lr 5"? barrel. Its just perfect for hunting coons.

I did look into an HSP, but for the extra cost, it gave me mayby 2 more inches? I need about 4.

What happened to the big FF rail weight excel chart? That was great resource.

Think im going to go with a 13" Enhanced KeyMod Handguard from Aero.

I appreciate all the responses. Thanks


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