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Posted: 11/26/2007 8:31:28 PM EDT
I started looking at this whole, why did build a pistol thing- basically the AK with stock folded is more compact than a 10.5" pistol.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 8:53:26 PM EDT
What buffer setup are you using?

If your using the CAR buffer, then yeah - AR pistol doesn't get that short.......
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 9:13:38 PM EDT
And
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 10:17:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 4:16:04 AM EDT
I played with a RRA at the gun shop the other day and noticed that it seemed big. What buffer setup will make them smaller? How small can you get a pistol AR?


I want to get one for fun but if I cant get it down in size (I know it wont get that much smaller) then it might not be worth it.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 4:24:36 AM EDT
A folding stock Ak or SBR AK is going to be shorter than and ar platform of the same barrel length with a buffer tube.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 4:40:51 AM EDT
The olympic arms OA-93 (?) upper would allow you to make a REALLY short AR pistol, as the buffer tube is no longer needed.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 4:45:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
The olympic arms OA-93 (?) upper would allow you to make a REALLY short AR pistol, as the buffer tube is no longer needed.


That is what I have, really compact flame thrower!!
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 6:08:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 7:07:26 AM EDT
I posted a breakdown of the parts I used to make a very short buffer tube in the "AR pistol buffer tube" stickied thread. I hated the look of the CAR tube, but knew the M-1 sales system wouldn't work as-in.

As it is now, it works 100% and is about as short as you can go without moving the entire system such as in the OA-93.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 9:03:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 10:28:48 AM EDT
I was wanting to know what question he was asking. Or was he just saying its the same length.

Originally Posted By JasonCookUS:

Originally Posted By yoteslaya:
And



Observations are freely welcome in this forum.
....But remember, that this is NOT the General Discussion.


The OP's post was his observation about a technical aspect of the AR15 pistol and it was a valid contribution.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 10:31:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 10:32:06 AM EDT by ORinTX]

Link Posted: 11/27/2007 11:18:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 11:33:46 AM EDT
My setup allows a cheek weld, think I am going to do a para-cord wrap though. It doesn't kick enough to hurt, but it does get hot/cold depending on weather.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 3:46:08 PM EDT
I use mine for a cheek weld also, however the AR pistol really isn't that compact of a weapon overall. I like mine but then compairing it to a full length rifle with folding stock, gives it the disadvantage. I have an ACE style buttstock on mine- is there anything shorter that is relieable?
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 4:51:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I started looking at this whole, why did build a pistol thing- basically the AK with stock folded is more compact than a 10.5" pistol.


Thats absolutely right. Its all a matter of preference I guess. I would like to have both but a 10.5" happened to be at the top of my list when I got into a position to buy. Now, I would REALLY like to build a AR45.. but wouldn't a Mac10 be even smaller and 1/2 the price?
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 6:39:48 PM EDT
Retro - yes, there is something that is reliable and shorter - read my post on the last page of the "pistol buffer thread" that is stickied.
Link Posted: 11/28/2007 4:28:24 AM EDT
If !!! You were going to buy a hand gun for entry work would you buy one with a 10" barrel or a 6" barrel ?? ( think short )
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 5:12:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2007 8:17:24 AM EDT by Offspring]

Originally Posted By Thealien:

Originally Posted By CA_TX-Cop:
The olympic arms OA-93 (?) upper would allow you to make a REALLY short AR pistol, as the buffer tube is no longer needed.


That is what I have, really compact flame thrower!!

Or go with a .22LR setup. Unless you definitely want the .223, it is fun and cheaper to shoot, compact, and controllable. No buffer tube needed. I changed from a 9mm pistol with carbine buffer tube to the .22LR setup.
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 2:52:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Offspring:

Or go with a .22LR setup. Unless you definitely want the .223, it is fun and cheaper to shoot, compact, and controllable. No buffer tube needed. I changed from a 9mm pistol with carbine buffer tube to the .22LR setup.
www.rabidchicken.com/ssc_0199.jpg


mmm.. that looks pretty sweet. What length barrel is that? 4"?http://www.rabidchicken.com/ssc_0199.jpg
Link Posted: 11/29/2007 4:30:50 PM EDT
5.5"
Link Posted: 12/4/2007 11:37:12 PM EDT
Can you even biuy a OA 93 upper anymore?
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 1:22:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:
Can you even biuy a OA 93 upper anymore?


You can, but from the factory it will take a long time to get it.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 3:34:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I started looking at this whole, why did build a pistol thing- basically the AK with stock folded is more compact than a 10.5" pistol.



[Dr. Mcoy] " Dammit Jim it's a PISTOL not a rifle" [Dr. Mcoy]

This is why some of us went with a 7.5" uppper.

We can even shoot our ARPs one handed.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 5:50:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DizTemper:
Thats absolutely right. Its all a matter of preference I guess. I would like to have both but a 10.5" happened to be at the top of my list when I got into a position to buy. Now, I would REALLY like to build a AR45.. but wouldn't a Mac10 be even smaller and 1/2 the price?


That's what I thought. I priced an AR45 at more than a grand and bought a MasterPiece Arms Mac-10 instead.

I built the pistol to avoid the anguish of the SBR paperwork. Low and behold I'm filing for a Form 1 anyway
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