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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:33:26 AM EST
I always see very high praises for LMT products on ar15.com .

I have personally owned 2 rifles and found them rather picky . When they work , they work, but you need the right combo of mags and ammo.

My first LMT was the DI "Defender Patrol" , worked fine with just about every ammo except this one lot of Privi (PPU headstamp) it would jam up tight in the chamber on about 50% of the rounds and FTE .

Now this ammo worked in EVERY other 5.56mm rifle I have from FN barreled are , to SIG556 , to Bushmaster, even in my Sterling/Armalite AR-180and Winchester bolt gun.

It was only this one type of ammo that did not work in the LMT so it was not a huge issue ...

LMTs response was that their rifle was in spec and noone else's was.

I also have an MRP piston , same ammo issue as above . Also it will not lock the bolt back on 20 round PMAGs (I found someone else here with this same issue as well) and having failure to feed with some USGI mags , the 30 round PMAGS work fine .

My spikes upper / home built lower runs every combo of mags and ammo just fine though.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:40:33 AM EST
LMT user here

I have a 10.5" SBR upper that eats everything I feed it including Wolf WPA 55gr, Wolf 62gr, XM193, and XM885

I have never tried Privi, I may have to order some just to see if it works

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 5:50:24 AM EST
I own a piston MRP. The only major issues I've had were cosmetic (LMT is infamous for ugly rifles) and carrier tilt.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:29:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 6:29:47 AM EST by kylestyle]
I've got some prvi partizan m193 that I bought almost 2 years ago. Haven't got around to shooting it yet but it's in the lineup for range ammo. I guess we'll see if it has similar issues going through my 10.5" LMT upper.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:35:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
LMT user here

I have a 10.5" SBR upper that eats everything I feed it including Wolf WPA 55gr, Wolf 62gr, XM193, and XM885

I have never tried Privi, I may have to order some just to see if it works



I've run all that too in my LMTs with no issues.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:45:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.



Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:00:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:09:02 AM EST
Eh, some don't like the grey finish they put on them.

Privi has run fine from several different lots in my 16in LMT rifle.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:14:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 7:15:14 AM EST by stomp]
I have an 16inch D2000 and its been great ZERO issues. I mostly shoot Wolf ammo out of it and some brass cheap ammo. Never Privi.

PIC WHORE!!


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:50:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 8:00:53 AM EST by Muad]
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:





Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though







Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:53:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 7:56:39 AM EST by tlwest1986]
Originally Posted By ANGST:

LMTs response was that their rifle was in spec and noone else's was.



I don't understand why if every other rifle would shoot it and not the LMT that their rifles not being in spec and LMT's being in spec would be the reasoning? If their's wasn't in spec wouldn't the other rifles be more likely to not run that ammo?

Just out of curiousity how long were you on the phone with them after you told them the issue before they gave you that response?


When I first got into AR's I didn't know what I was doing. I heard such good things about them I bought an LMT's buffer tube. It had the same issue and also looked horrible. I sent it back because I didn't know if the hole being off would matter. I then bought a DSA buffer tube for a little over half the price and it worked great. I am not trying to bash LMT by any means from this post (because a buffer tube is most certainly not enough justification to judge/bash a company) I am just stating my only experience with them.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:22:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


LMT user/fan here.

That is unacceptable IMHO.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:40:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By afroney:
I own a piston MRP. The only major issues I've had were cosmetic (LMT is infamous for ugly rifles) and carrier tilt.


LWRC is the only company I know of that has addressed the carrier tilt issue. Carrier tilt is what you get when adding a piston to an AR platform..
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:41:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 8:55:48 AM EST by Blankwaffe98]
Originally Posted By Fooboy:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


LMT user/fan here.

That is unacceptable IMHO.


Yeap...Ive bought a bunch of LMT components in the last four years and never seen anything like those RE's.Looks to be deformed during forging IMHO and then bored/machined.Im suprised that could slip by QC/QA.
I typically only use LMT RE's and they are very consisent and verywell made.
Best contacts at LMT in regards to quality concerns and functional issues is Gene and Ray.
Email the pictures to Gene Swanson and LMT and see what he says.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:43:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





They spray a gray dry lube film on there, same as inside the chamber. Over time, it slowly starts to come off. That is probably what you are seeing.
If you don't like the way it looks some Hoppes #9 will take it right off. Then you will have the standard black anodized look.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:47:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 8:55:34 AM EST by M4A1]
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin is timed perfectly with the receiver extension. It's not supposed to look "even". Are you saying it doesn't line up with the pin? Is your retainer pin binding with the RE?
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:51:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


You honestly don't even know what you are looking at. The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin lines is timed perfectly with the receiver extension.
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.


Whoa there partner. I never said anything about the grey lube, I know what it is. I was referring to the machining.

I'm not worried about it as mentioned, it functions perfectly, with only a alight drag from the stock when moving to the forward most position.

I don't mind the grey color at all, kind of like it actually.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:05:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
Originally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By afroney:
(LMT is infamous for ugly rifles).


And parts, my LMT buffer tube is UGLY! But, it works and they said they'll replace it if I ever have an issue.





An "ugly" buffer tube... does it have buck teeth or acne?



LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


You honestly don't even know what you are looking at. The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin lines is timed perfectly with the receiver extension.
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.


Whoa there partner. I never said anything about the grey lube, I know what it is. I was referring to the machining.

I'm not worried about it as mentioned, it functions perfectly, with only a alight drag from the stock when moving to the forward most position.

I don't mind the grey color at all, kind of like it actually.



Looks to me that the RE pictured above is/was bored off center IMHO.The external finish is not the issue I see and commented on.....
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:08:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Muad:

LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin is timed perfectly with the receiver extension. It's not supposed to look "even". Are you saying it doesn't line up with the pin? Is your retainer pin binding with the RE?
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.


Easy M4A1

I don't think that Muad was referring to the dryfilm, look at the first photo and how the RE is off-center, and the machining marks going down the side are very rough.

I have never seen one that looked that shitty, and I would send the photos to LMT customer service and have it replaced.

I am a LMT user/fan but that simply is not acceptable IMHO

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:11:29 AM EST
I would send that buffer tube back. I have three LMT piston guns and never took off the buffer tube to check it, but don't notice much when I remove the buffer and spring. If my tube looked like that, the whole lower would be on its way back on their dime to fix it. That is ridiculous!
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:14:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
LMT user here

I have a 10.5" SBR upper that eats everything I feed it including Wolf WPA 55gr, Wolf 62gr, XM193, and XM885

I have never tried Privi, I may have to order some just to see if it works



LMT SBR 10.5 user here as well. Last range visit I had trouble with my Lancer L5 mag feeding properly. Other mags (pmag, Gi mags) ran fine. It has been a while since the rifle has been cleaned, but I will be keeping an eye on this mag.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:16:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 9:19:38 AM EST by M4A1]
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Muad:

LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin is timed perfectly with the receiver extension. It's not supposed to look "even". Are you saying it doesn't line up with the pin? Is your retainer pin binding with the RE?
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.


Easy M4A1

I don't think that Muad was referring to the dryfilm, look at the first photo and how the RE is off-center, and the machining marks going down the side are very rough.

I have never seen one that looked that shitty, and I would send the photos to LMT customer service and have it replaced.

I am a LMT user/fan but that simply is not acceptable IMHO



Damn, my apologies, I see it. Muad I thought you were referring to the notch. It's supposed to be off center to time the retainer pin and people always post a tread regarding this. You should contact Gene Swanson at LMT. He will take care of you.


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:19:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
LMT user here

I have a 10.5" SBR upper that eats everything I feed it including Wolf WPA 55gr, Wolf 62gr, XM193, and XM885

I have never tried Privi, I may have to order some just to see if it works



LMT SBR 10.5 user here as well. Last range visit I had trouble with my Lancer L5 mag feeding properly. Other mags (pmag, Gi mags) ran fine. It has been a while since the rifle has been cleaned, but I will be keeping an eye on this mag.


One of my friends just bought a PSA 14.5 kit that I put together for him and it will not function with the L5 AWM's that he bought

Functions just fine with my PMAGs and USGI mags... go figure


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:22:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 9:29:12 AM EST by Blankwaffe98]
Don't forget to make sure the mag catch has the proper tension also.Ive had a couple lowers come from the factory with the mag catch only run in a few turns.The threaded shaft of the mag catch should be set flush with the top of the release button thread.
Otherwise,mags are not always dependable new or used and is the weakest link along with ammo..
Ive had mags that work good in some weapons,pistol and rifle,and not work in others of the same.If a mag does not run in all the rifles, I return or replace it.Thats why numbering mags is so helpful.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:24:38 AM EST
Muad

You can reach Gene Swanson using the contact form HERE or by the phone numbers listed below

Lewis Machine & Tool

Phone: 309-787-7151
Fax: 309-787-7193
Sales Phone: 309-732-9527
Sales Fax: 309-787-2636


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:36:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By ANGST:
I always see very high praises for LMT products on ar15.com .

I have personally owned 2 rifles and found them rather picky . When they work , they work, but you need the right combo of mags and ammo.

My first LMT was the DI "Defender Patrol" , worked fine with just about every ammo except this one lot of Privi (PPU headstamp) it would jam up tight in the chamber on about 50% of the rounds and FTE .

Now this ammo worked in EVERY other 5.56mm rifle I have from FN barreled are , to SIG556 , to Bushmaster, even in my Sterling/Armalite AR-180and Winchester bolt gun.

It was only this one type of ammo that did not work in the LMT so it was not a huge issue ...

LMTs response was that their rifle was in spec and noone else's was.

I also have an MRP piston , same ammo issue as above . Also it will not lock the bolt back on 20 round PMAGs (I found someone else here with this same issue as well) and having failure to feed with some USGI mags , the 30 round PMAGS work fine .

My spikes upper / home built lower runs every combo of mags and ammo just fine though.


Hmmm, not sure what the issue could be. LMT is great, but no company is immune to a craper here and there. I've sent parts back to LMT, Colt and Noveske.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:39:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By js308:
Originally Posted By ANGST:
I always see very high praises for LMT products on ar15.com .

I have personally owned 2 rifles and found them rather picky . When they work , they work, but you need the right combo of mags and ammo.

My first LMT was the DI "Defender Patrol" , worked fine with just about every ammo except this one lot of Privi (PPU headstamp) it would jam up tight in the chamber on about 50% of the rounds and FTE .

Now this ammo worked in EVERY other 5.56mm rifle I have from FN barreled are , to SIG556 , to Bushmaster, even in my Sterling/Armalite AR-180and Winchester bolt gun.

It was only this one type of ammo that did not work in the LMT so it was not a huge issue ...

LMTs response was that their rifle was in spec and noone else's was.

I also have an MRP piston , same ammo issue as above . Also it will not lock the bolt back on 20 round PMAGs (I found someone else here with this same issue as well) and having failure to feed with some USGI mags , the 30 round PMAGS work fine .

My spikes upper / home built lower runs every combo of mags and ammo just fine though.


Hmmm, not sure what the issue could be. LMT is great, but no company is immune to a craper here and there. I've sent parts back to LMT, Colt and Noveske.


I pretty much feel like I was blown off by their customer service. (not in a good way)
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:37:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
Originally Posted By Muad:

LOL

No, but the hole is off and the machining/finishing is pretty bad:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171836.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/IMG_20101223_171847.jpg

Crappy pics from when I first got it. I'll snap another one with it on my Wife's Colt 6920/LRB stick and Edit this post in a bit.

ETA: On rifle pics. If that ain't "Ugly", I don't know what is. Works fine though

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube1.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube2.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa46/muad_dib1982/lmt-tube3.jpg

Not bashing LMT at all, just saying it's an ugly part. Wife doesn't mind, and neither do I as long as it works.


The "ugly machining" is done that way so that the buffer retainer pin is timed perfectly with the receiver extension. It's not supposed to look "even". Are you saying it doesn't line up with the pin? Is your retainer pin binding with the RE?
The gray finish is the dry lube film that LMT adds to the receiver extension, it will wear off in time. If you done like it, take it off with copper solvent. Then it will be solid black.


Easy M4A1

I don't think that Muad was referring to the dryfilm, look at the first photo and how the RE is off-center, and the machining marks going down the side are very rough.

I have never seen one that looked that shitty, and I would send the photos to LMT customer service and have it replaced.

I am a LMT user/fan but that simply is not acceptable IMHO



Damn, my apologies, I see it. Muad I thought you were referring to the notch. It's supposed to be off center to time the retainer pin and people always post a tread regarding this. You should contact Gene Swanson at LMT. He will take care of you.

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/img20101223171836.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6193/img20101223171836.jpg</a>


No worries Bro.

Yeah, when I first got the tube I asked why the notch was off center. After installing it, I actually like the way LMT did that.


Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Muad

You can reach Gene Swanson using the contact form HERE or by the phone numbers listed below

Lewis Machine & Tool

Phone: 309-787-7151
Fax: 309-787-7193
Sales Phone: 309-732-9527
Sales Fax: 309-787-2636




I don't think I'm not going to bother LMT with it. I've already talked to their CS, and they said if it ever breaks they'll take care of me. Thanks for the contact info though!


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:37:36 AM EST
It's well documented that some LMTs do not run well, or at all, with the lower powered foreign ammo while at the same time other brands of ARs do.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:42:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's well documented that some LMTs do not run well, or at all, with the lower powered foreign ammo while at the same time other brands of ARs do.


Since its so well documented, please post some links to these documented issues.

(I've got no horse in this race, but I'd like to know)
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:53:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's well documented that some LMTs do not run well, or at all, with the lower powered foreign ammo while at the same time other brands of ARs do.


A tight chamber (or oversize case if you want to blame ammo) has nothing to due with "under power" and my LMTs run great with Wolf / PMC which is "lower powered foreign ammo"

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:13:39 AM EST
I've had no issues with Brown Bear 55gr or IMI M193 in mine. Runs like a top.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:28:34 AM EST
Almost nothing but Wolf "Black" box through my LMT, many times without cleaning between range trips and ammo type changes (steel to brass). With ZERO issues. But these things are mass produced so you will have a bad apple from time to time. I havent seen one gun company that hasnt been "killed" on this site for some issue on some guns.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:30:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 11:32:05 AM EST by Blankwaffe98]
Originally Posted By buckjay:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's well documented that some LMTs do not run well, or at all, with the lower powered foreign ammo while at the same time other brands of ARs do.


Since its so well documented, please post some links to these documented issues.

(I've got no horse in this race, but I'd like to know)


This is solely my opinion and personal experience....take it for what its worth.
Its not an indicator of an actual "issue" with the LMT rifles or those of similar build quality....LMT uses the spec'd carbine gas port diameter and is geared for 5.56 NATO pressure/quality ammo,as well as heavier OTM's that use slower burning powders resulting in higher port pressures..Which is also why,so Im told by LMT,they use the 3oz. carbine buffer in their rifles as standard issue.
Much could be the same with Colt,DD,BCM etc. which also use the in spec gas port diameters.Start bumping up buffer weight without function verification and its very likely to start seeing short stroke issues with a properly gassed rifle and assorted cheap or under pressure ammo.
Other manufacturers,which I'll call commercial rack grade,that do not use in spec gas ports are typically overgassed right out of the box and that is well documented.An over gassed rifle will run on lower pressure ammo without issue even with heavy buffer.These manufacturers most likely,my best guess, run larger than spec gas ports to ensure that the rifles will run with cheap .223 Rem range fodder that alot of folks buy to plink with....most likely reduces complaints and returns on their end.
Problem is,gas port diameter increases with wear as the rifle is fired,so an overgassed rifle will eventually gain in cycle speed and suffer function issues at the other end of the spectrum as a result.In spec gas ports will give longer reliable service.
As I said before the weakest link in any of the properly built/configured AR's is going to be mags and ammo no matter what,but we all know that.Best step you can do is buy the best ammo you can afford for when it matters and ensure the rifle runs 100% with it and your mags work reliably.
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