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Posted: 3/13/2005 3:11:35 AM EST
What is a good optic choice for carry in a hard case in the trunk?

It will go on top of my M-4 with a carry handle. I will need to adapt the optic to the top of the carry handle.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and experience.h.gif
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 3:19:53 AM EST
compact acog
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 3:56:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Frens:
compact acog



seems like the best option to me for a carry handle mount
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 4:22:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 4:29:26 AM EST by clippen]
What is the point of the carry handle if it will be carried to its destination of use via the trunk of a car? Will the carry handle be removable? The acog on top of the carry handle does not allow you to rest your cheek on the stock (it sits too high). I would cantalever mount an aimpoint if your engagement will be 150 yrds or less.

ETA. I do think that is great they are finally arming you properly in this state, now hopfully they don't have to lay the other half of you guys off. You are in Indy, Right?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 4:24:47 AM EST
I could be wrong but I'm bettin they don't have removable handles.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 4:26:46 AM EST
I wonder if they are new or national gaurd hand me downs.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 4:31:08 AM EST
2x20 mini ACOG with the red triangle.

Don't consider amber. You will lose it under sodium street lights.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 4:38:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:01:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By RoadDawg:
What is a good optic choice for carry in a hard case in the trunk?

It will go on top of my M-4 with a carry handle. I will need to adapt the optic to the top of the carry handle.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and experience.




I would go with the Aimpoint (because of the battery life). You turn it on at the beginning of your shift and then turn it off at the end. So it is always on and ready to go (one less thing you have to remember to do in a stressful situation).


C4



I think Aimpoint will result higher than a compact acog
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:17:16 AM EST
My M-4 does not have a removable carry handle.

I will look into your suggestions.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 6:50:06 AM EST
get a ras handquard and mount an aimpoint on it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 7:09:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By anothernewbie:
get a ras handquard and mount an aimpoint on it.



Free float handguard from Daniel Defense or Knights Armament.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 7:15:57 AM EST
Congratulations on being allowed the proper tools to do your job effectively.
I think if you have the option of any optic, figure out what the likely scenarios will be and go from there. If you envision 300 yard shots over an open corn field, you may want to consider a magnified (ACOG ) optic, if you think that is pretty far fetched, save yourself the money (I assume this will come out of your pocket. Protect and serve and get yourself safely home at night, these go hand in hand, it's a shame you'll have to spend your own money to make BOTH happen, but ) and go Aimpoint.
Where I live an LEO could find himself in a crowded casino, an open parking garage, a wooded tree line, an open meadow or a sage covered desert basin, all within 20 minutes of each other, so a case can be made for either optic.
Choose what suits your needs best and good luck.

The afforementioned is obviously just my opinion, but I personally chose the TA31 ACOG, and I am not LE.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 7:25:10 AM EST
always go tacpoint

since you wont be using it much and save money
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 8:05:35 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 8:10:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Ya! Bet your life on a cheap knockoff made in CHINA!!!


C4



its not a cheap knockoff when are you going to get over that?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 8:14:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:17:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

The best part is that you are supporting a communist country (that points their nukes at us) with each and every purchase! WAY TO GO!!!


C4



They're actually pointing them at taiwan, now that the US have all their military in iraq.
China and Northkorea are a real problem.

But I don't think a few tacpoints will make a difference.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:29:13 AM EST
There is a Japanese Tacpoint also, which is likely higher quality than the Chinese one:

http://www.nightvisionweb.com/tacpoint.htm

If it was just a low cost but high quality dot sight I would consider it for some uses, but since it is an Aimpoint clone, it is theft of someone's work and I would be highly embarrassed to have one.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:48:44 AM EST
There is a lot of advice and a lot of information to sort through.

Thanks again.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:49:24 AM EST
There is a lot of advice and a lot of information to sort through.

Thanks again.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:51:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:03:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
always go tacpoint

since you wont be using it much and save money

How can you even suggest that to someone who's very life (and the lifes of others) may very well depend on their rifle? This is the last thread you should be purveying such tripe in.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:10:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 10:11:57 AM EST by Marksman14]
Aimpoint no doubt.

It combines speed, and accuracy.

In a law enforcement situation, I cannot think of more than one or two situations where you should even consider making a shot past 100M.

The aimpoint will dominate any situation in terms of speed at close range, which is most likely where any incident would occur.

I own a few tacpoints, and while fine for the range, when your life counts on it, whats a few hundred dollars extra? Any rifle that I would knowingly take into combat or use in a defensive scenario would wear an aimpoint. If I had to grab a tacpoint equipt rifle, I'd make sure I could access the irons VERY quickly, or remove the damn thing all together since I haven't had much of a chance to see what they are truly capable of yet. Until I do, I will NOT risk it, and neither should you.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:12:03 AM EST
I doub't they have the best tires on their police cars. I doubt they have Mercedes AMG police cars. There is nothing wrong with recommending a cheap optic to someone on a budget. I only object to clone products. If they want to buy Bushnell Turkey scopes for $100 that is ok.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:13:17 AM EST
I have a real dislike for Aimpoints mounted anywhere except for the top of the receiver. I especially hate the ARMS carry handle mount that hangs the Aimpoint over the handguards.

The mini ACOG is the only way to go for an optic on top of the carry handle.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:17:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By rsilvers:
I doub't they have the best tires on their police cars. I doubt they have Mercedes AMG police cars. There is nothing wrong with recommending a cheap optic to someone on a budget. I only object to clone products. If they want to buy Bushnell Turkey scopes for $100 that is ok.



Would make sense if AMG's were only a few dollars more than crown vics...

Bottom line is, its an extra 200-250 dollars ONCE. If you can't afford an aimpoint now, then keep saving until you can.

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:48:16 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:00:15 AM EST
tacpoint is just as reliable , excuse me (nah you better not cause i dont care) its been thrown arond banged around heated froze and it still comes out with flying colors doesnt loose its zero

for as much action as he will see with it its best bang for his buck, i dont see aimpoint quaranting a lifetime warranty on their stuff, wait why would they they allready charge 300 dollars more
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:01:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
tacpoint is just as reliable , excuse me (nah you better not cause i dont care) its been thrown arond banged around heated froze and it still comes out with flying colors doesnt loose its zero

for as much action as he will see with it its best bang for his buck, i dont see aimpoint quaranting a lifetime warranty on their stuff, wait why would they they allready charge 300 dollars more



Even if it does, battery life is still an issue. The aimpoint has alot better battery life. That alone makes the price tag worth it when your life, and others, are on the line.

Scott
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:20:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
tacpoint is just as reliable , excuse me (nah you better not cause i dont care) its been thrown arond banged around heated froze and it still comes out with flying colors doesnt loose its zero

for as much action as he will see with it its best bang for his buck, i dont see aimpoint quaranting a lifetime warranty on their stuff, wait why would they they allready charge 300 dollars more




FF, there is no way in hell a Tacpoint will take the abuse an Aimpoint will. And I don't care if you patterned your rifle, dropped it on the Tacpoint and patterned it again and they overlapped, its still cheap shit.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:56:01 AM EST
yeah it is cheap, cheap in the pocket,

so you change batteries once a month or have it checked before you go out.

just like checking to make sure your gun works before going to duty or do you just hope it does?

just cause you wanna think your bad ass cause you own a aimpoint, my tacpoint will do the same thing your aimpoint will do , so get over your aipoint is better shit talk.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:22:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:30:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:37:46 PM EST
This is why I read a lot and rarely ask for advice.



Ask him about mounts.
Cheaper is better, even good ones can break.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:43:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:48:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

It is sad that there are really people this stupid out there.

C4



glad you can join them too.

anything can break, if not why would they sell extra parts.

but then again the mentality is it costs so much it will be good

what a load of fucking stinky crap
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:56:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:18:29 PM EST
i got a arms mount so i guess its cheeap,

you can do the same to a aimpoint as you can a tacpoint and they both still work the same? maybe your using the left side of your brain and not the right
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:22:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
i got a arms mount so i guess its cheeap,

you can do the same to a aimpoint as you can a tacpoint and they both still work the same? maybe your using the left side of your brain and not the right



Anybody who thinks the Tacpoint is, in every way, as good as the Aimpoint isn't using either side of their brain.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:29:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Ya! Bet your life on a cheap knockoff made in CHINA!!!


C4



its not a cheap knockoff when are you going to get over that?



Your kidding right??? It is under $100 and is an EXACT COPY of an Aimpoint! The best part is that you are supporting a communist country (that points their nukes at us) with each and every purchase! WAY TO GO!!!


C4



Damn. this shit again. The man asked a simple question. More than likely he will be sharing the rifle with others if it is Deptartment owned.

I have used a Tacpoint on a duty weapon before, it always held zero. If your set up co-witnesses you can always check if the dot has moved by aligning it with your irons.

Aimpoint is superior,but for god sakes quit breaking balls about it.



Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:32:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:38:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
I honestly cannot believe, that I am reading here that a Tacpoint is being recommended to the original thread poster, based in what he will be using the weapon for. Utterly incomprehensable.



+1

ACOG, compact or full size, will never ever let you down.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:39:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Frisky-Ferret:
i got a arms mount so i guess its cheeap,

you can do the same to a aimpoint as you can a tacpoint and they both still work the same? maybe your using the left side of your brain and not the right



There is a really good review in this forum about the tacpoint. It has it's place for sporting/huntig and I might get one (in Hong Kong) and maybe sell it later and get a comp M3.

What's the point of saving only 250$ when your life is at stake?

By the way - In my town the police aren't driving Mercedes AMG either, but BMW 3. Wish I had one
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:40:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:43:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 1:54:56 PM EST
I am surprised that not many are recommending the Eotech.

Any problems?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:06:01 PM EST
The eothingy is fine as well. You need a rail forend for that unit I think, never seen it mounted on the carry handle.. Will you have to share this weapon?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:15:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By RoadDawg:
I am surprised that not many are recommending the Eotech.

Any problems?



I prefer the controls of the Aimpoint, the centered dot, the tube design, the reticle, etc. I also believe that the Aimpoint is more durable.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:29:57 PM EST
grant just cant give it up that the chinese actually make something as good if not better than americans

put it on .223 and works awesome
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:48:46 PM EST
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