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Posted: 1/7/2005 8:39:46 PM EDT
...besides m193?  I need to know becuase I have a SP1 upper (1/12) and with the shortage of M193, I need to know what would be the most effective anit human round (SHTF).

Link Posted: 1/7/2005 9:19:22 PM EDT
Aside from Q3131A (which will also be unavailable soon), I would say the best thing you can get is WWB .223 and PMP South African .223 (gazelle box). I know for a fact that the PMP fragments and I would ASSUME that the WWB .223 does as well. If there are better suggestions, Troy and others will be able to help.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 9:22:43 PM EDT
I use 55 grain winchester soft points in front of a casefull of varget.  
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 9:29:33 PM EDT
I should have been more specific when wording my inquiry.  I am looking for the most effective 55 gr. self defense round; this is omitting all M193 spec ammo.
Link Posted: 1/7/2005 11:56:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:05:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 10:57:49 AM EDT by chewbacca]
Thanks Troy.  Out of curiosity, has any company loaded the Barnes 'X' bullet into a .223?  I have read that the penetration of this type of bullet surpases what is to be expected based on bullet weight.  Moreover, I have heard the expansion is decent.

One more thing, so the Winchester rounds you reccomended are crimped?  Or would bullet set back be a concern?

Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:56:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 10:58:43 AM EDT by RABID]
I've just been using winchester 55gr. fmj leads ahead of 27 grs. H-335 inside a L.C. case with rem. 71/2 small rifle primers. I haven't had it cronied yet but it seems as hot as XM193. Anyone have chrony info on a similar load out of a 5.56 chambered AR? Supposedly it'll give 2250-2300f.p.s. out of a mini, which should be a little higher for an ar with a longer barrel and tighter rifling twist I imagine.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:31:19 AM EDT
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