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Posted: 8/4/2005 10:36:36 AM EDT
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Sounds reasonable. Another issue is when you want to change magazines when the bolt is closed and it is harder to do with a full magazine of any capacity.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 10:58:08 AM EDT
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I had found this to be true without knowing it to be a debate.... At a recent AR competiton, (my first) I loaded all my 30 mags to the max. I had decided to change mags on the 28 shot, saving time on the on the bolt charging. Well, that mag just wouldn't lock in!! have docgary |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:08:15 AM EDT
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lol i had my friends laughing their asses off with me loading a full mag into my AR with the bolt closed and assumeing it clicked in... pull the chargeing handle and the mag drops out
 found you really have to slam it home with the bolt closed and full mag 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:08:31 AM EDT
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I've not run into that problem yet. guess I'm lucky. 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:10:00 AM EDT
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Thats why you should put it in and give it a little tug to make sure it's seated properly. If ya do that you won't run into the mag falling out on ya. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:12:45 AM EDT
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Your hypothesis is correct. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:19:58 AM EDT
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I've never had that experience with a USGI 20-rounder. Never heard of the problem with USGI 20-rounders if the springs are installed correctly. However, I personally HAVE experienced this with USGI 30-rounders. Many instructors teach to down load 30-rounders to 28 rounds. The same instructors teach to load 20-rounders to full capacity. YMMV I suspect it won't be long before this thread evolves into a big pissing match about how many rounds to load in mags.  |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:37:40 AM EDT
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I should have stayed out of this discussion since only a few times loaded more that 5 rds. Regards, Mild Bill |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:40:49 AM EDT
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We have known this for a long time.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 1:28:11 PM EDT
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mildbill39, I hope you didn't think I was ripping on you. I very much was not. I was only posting my personal experiences.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:53:04 PM EDT
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During WWII, a 30 round magazine was developed for the Thompson 45 submachine gun. Originally all magazines held 20 rounds or were the drum magazines seen in all the old gangster movies. They didn't work properly. If you loaded 29 or 30 round in them they were so heavy that they would fall out of the gun on the first shot. It was advised that they should load only 28 rounds in them. With 28 rounds, no problems. Or do what my father-in-law did with his. Use the drum magazine.
I sometimes wonder if this problem was where it all started. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:35:46 PM EDT
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Yeah, it sucks when you don't train properly with mags loaded to full (normal) capacity, and then try and "play" that way. 30 round magazines were designed to hold 30 rounds, just as 20 round mags were designed to hold 20 rounds. Make sure you don't break a nail next time. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:42:09 PM EDT
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30 round mags were designed to be loaded to 30 rounds when no one was taught how to do a proper tac load with your weak side hand. Remember, you must shove the loaded magazine on a closed bolt while also retaining the partially empty mag with the same weak side hand. Thinking and doctrine has changed and loading 28 makes very good sense if you are doing a proper tac load.
I can insert a fully loaded thirty on a closed bolt no problem but not while doing a proper tac load while retaing the removed mag. If you are doing a proper tac load, you are in far better shape with 28 rnds per mag than shooting your fully loaded 30's to bolt lock. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:49:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:51:40 PM EDT
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Don't rolleyes at me, what did Pat Rogers tell you? What I posted, that's what.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:42:59 PM EDT
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I thought I knew better.
1991, desert with M-16A1. New right out of the box 20rd mags, I think they were Adventure Line. Box dated from the 1960s. I loaded about 6 or 7 mags with 20rds each. They fit fine. I did not take them apart prior to using them. M-193 ammo. Had a hard time getting the bolt to push the top round out during loading. After firing the bolt did not have enough force to strip the next round. Cleared that 19th round and the rest fired fine. Same thing happened with the next 5 or 6 mags. Rifle worked fine with the 30rders loaded with 30rds. Except for range use I will download by 2 rounds. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 10:53:43 PM EDT
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ohhhh i just gotta say ,,|,, and i only did it once when i first built it! lol i was a ak guy and with those you rock them in and you get a nice loud click. 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:52:33 PM EDT
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I'd love to see some of these guys in a carbine class.
As Pat puts it - "Whatever falls on the deck is mine." Some of you guys would run out of mags before the day is over. |
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