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Posted: 9/17/2004 2:21:57 AM EST
For work reasons I may be moving to one of the these states; Md, NJ, or Indiana. I have a couple questions for the gun owners who live there now.

How difficult is it to get a CCW in each of these states?

Also I have 30 round mags for my M4 AR15 Bushy and 20 round mags for my FAL. Can I bring these mags into the state if I move there?

And last I have a few handguns but none with mags of more than 10 rounders. I have a SIG P220, P239, P229, P228, a Beretta 96, and a couple of Colt 1911's. Are any of these guns restricted in any of these states?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:37:59 AM EST
Indiana is a "Shall Issue" state as far as hand gun permits. Conceled carry is not required, nor is any "testing' required to get your permit.

The only restriction I am aware of gunwise is no short barreled shotguns. All other class 3 stuff is OK.

Our taxes are fairly low, with a 6% sales tax.

Any other questions just ask.

Mike

(South Bend, IN)
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:00:16 AM EST
Stay out of Maryland:

1) You cannot purchase or transfer magazines over 20 rounds. You can own larger magazines. (You can purchase larger magazines in person ourtside MD and legally own them in MD, but not buy them via mail or at a MD location.)

2) No CCW. Not likely either. This is controlled by the governor in MD. We have a Republican governor at the moment (first since Spiro T. Agnew) and he could direct the State Police to change the CCW regulations. In MD this would be political suicide. Ehrlich certainly wont do that before gis reelection bid.

3) Certain "assault pistols" banned.

4) MD legislature will try again to pass their own AW ban in order to be more like California. Died in committee this year.

I'm cashing out of my overpriced house and moving back to Missouri.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:01:08 AM EST
I used to live in the socialist republic of Maryland and can say, STAY OUT OF MARYLAND.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:25:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 4:26:02 AM EST by SIGNAL4L]
NJ does not even permit the peasants to own hollowpoint ammo. I have spent a lot of time in IN. I recommend the state highly. Full auto friendly. Good CCW laws.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:41:05 AM EST
Out of the listed states, IN is hte most gun friendly (by reading laws anyway).

I have lived in NJ and will tell you the following:

1. Guns are icky. You need to get all kinds of permits to own and with pistols to even purchase
2. CCW is impossible to get unless you are rich/famous/important .gov person. Even then you probably can't get a CCW permit
3. Hollowpoint pistol rounds are illegal
4. Very well defined assault weapons ban that goes so far as to ban M1 Carbines. Post ban style AR15s are OK. Don't know much else
5. 15 round magazines max. If you have a 30 or 20 round magazine you are illegal and will be assimilated.

MD isn't as bad but I am not as familiar with their laws. I know that they have a 20 round magazine limit and have attempted more than once to ban assault weapons NJ/NY/CT/MA style.

Link Posted: 9/17/2004 4:52:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By michael_seltenright:
The only restriction I am aware of gunwise is no short barreled shotguns. All other class 3 stuff is OK.



My CL III dealer in Greenwood has AOW's so I think you are mistaken.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:07:47 AM EST
STAY AWAY FROM MARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!

This state blows dogs. It's very anti-gun and very expensive. No hope of CCW, and you can't buy mags over 20 rounds (but you can own and use 'em though....go figure)



Rich
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:33:49 AM EST
Move to Indiana. I'm looking at moving from WI to IN for the taxes and CCW.

NJ is a cesspool (left there for WI almost 10 years ago), and Maryland is pretty pointless (as far as guns go).

Your money will also go a LOT farther in IN (lower cost of living than NJ & MD as well).

-FMD
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 5:36:57 AM EST
Indiana. Land of shall-issue CCW, solidly Republican, and Class III all over the place. I escaped from NJ and am in Gun Owner Heaven now.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:26:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By GRClark:
Stay out of Maryland:

I'm cashing out of my overpriced house and moving back to Missouri.



Amen.
I'm outta PRM (People's Republic of MD) as soon as I finish my masters degree. Just now starting, so 3 yrs, MAX. Then back to Midwest. The 20% equity I have in my tiny house w/ 1/5 acre land will get me 50% down payment on a big place in rural midwest with 10+ acres (yes, I've been looking places up).

MD sucks. I KNOW, 1st hand, of an LEO in VA (corrections officer) who lives in MD. He was arrested, and gun confiscated, returning to MD from VA. He had the gun locked up, unloaded, etc. DA STILL pressed charges.... against an LEO. What a scary place to live when evan an LEO gets harrassed while following the law!! Never got his gun back.

If you must be in MD, I hope your job is w/in commuting distance to either the PA or VA lines.

Forget about CCW in MD.
Crime in MD is horriffic (anywhere close to the B-W corridor).
Traffic in MD is horriffic.
Coming from PA, you'll find the people are rude/inconsiderate.
Politics are wildly left wing (any bill can/will get passed if it's "for the children."). Somehow we stoved off the MD-AWB. I was at the statehouse for that hearing with hundreds of fellow MD shooters....

Came here becuase it's where the perfect job was at after finishing undergrad, but the job's just not worth it. I can't take being a subject much longer. If your job moves you here....... suck it up and get a different job. You'll thank me for that advise later.

rvb
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:59:28 AM EST
Stay out of NJ

We have had our AWB since 1990, so there is no such thing as a pre ban. Mags can hold no more than 15 rounds. Hollow point ammo is not illegal we can buy it, own it, shoot it, and keep in our homes we just can not commit a crime with hollow point ammo. We also have our own Firearms ID card which allows us to buy long guns and to transport firearms. All handguns need to be registered in NJ and you need a pistol purchase permit for each handgun you buy. The only way you will get a CCW in NJ is to be a cop, bail bondsman, or a politician.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 7:04:05 AM EST
Indiana will be just fine with you bringing your goodies! My CCW permit was in my hands five days after I applied for it (hey, it goes via US Postal mail!). All the guns you mentioned are fine. Magazine capacity is not limited. Gun registration not required. Indiana recognizes a CCW permit from any other state (Note: not all states recognize Indiana's permit, since an NRA or training class is NOT a requirement for the permit).
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 7:41:37 AM EST
Almost forgot...If you've got a PA CCW, it'll be good for 90 days (IIRC) while you establish residency in IN, then you gotta go get your own.

Not much of an issue there. Besides being "shall issue": (depending where in IN you move to) a majority of the poulation will have permits.

I got a buddy who lives in Morgantown (1/2 way between Indy and Bloomington). I believe that the stat is 89% of the adults in his zipcode have a permit.

Nice to know that almost 9 of the 10 people you meet on the street are probably just as armed as you are.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 7:41:58 AM EST
Maryland is not a good choice for a shooter. I almost moved there for a woman. Thank God I came to my senses in time. I went inti a gun shop to ask about a carry permit and the owner said to forget it. He said that he was a former cop and gun store owner and he couldn't get one. So screw Maryland in general and Baltimore in particular. There is some good beer in Baltimore, at the Brewer's Art and DeGroen's Brewery.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:27:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

Originally Posted By michael_seltenright:
The only restriction I am aware of gunwise is no short barreled shotguns. All other class 3 stuff is OK.



My CL III dealer in Greenwood has AOW's so I think you are mistaken.



An AOW is NOT a short barreled shot gun.. SBSG's are not legal in Indiana. If you dont belive me call POP guns talk to the owner. I know of a LEO who could'nt even get one transfered. Is Pipe Puffer your guy?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:38:34 AM EST
It's been said, but I'd like to echo the response for NJ.

CCW is next to impossible to get.
Any magazine over 15 rounds is illegal to posess.
None of the pistols on your list are restricted.

Also, hollowpoints ARE legal in NJ.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:41:47 AM EST
I haven't posted a me-too post in a while, so here you go.

Stay the hell away from MD and NJ! You shold be fine in Indiana. I grew up in NJ and if it's possible, I think it's an even more Anti-Gun state than Kalifornia.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:42:00 AM EST
sad to say i live in jersey and it sucks as far as guns go take fair warning nj gun laws are crazy theres a law in affect already that as soon as smart gun tech is readly avaiable those are the only pistols a dealer may sell so very shortly you will not be able to even trade your pistol in on a smart 1 if you even really wanted it if you wanna run an ad to sell a gun in jersey by law in the ad it has to say for sale to fid holders only or your a crimnal if you get pulled over and have a firearm in your vehicle if you don't have your fid on you they can arrest you and confiscate everything you got and you'll have to prove later in court that you were legal the whole time same goes if your gun is not locked in a seperate compartment of your vehicle securely packaged or completly cased and seperate from ammo its madness good luck with your choice seems like indiana is your only real choice
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 9:11:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By 762minigun:

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

Originally Posted By michael_seltenright:
The only restriction I am aware of gunwise is no short barreled shotguns. All other class 3 stuff is OK.



My CL III dealer in Greenwood has AOW's so I think you are mistaken.



An AOW is NOT a short barreled shot gun.. SBSG's are not legal in Indiana. If you dont belive me call POP guns talk to the owner. I know of a LEO who could'nt even get one transfered. Is Pipe Puffer your guy?



Mike Hilton is an idiot who knows just enough law to keep himself out of trouble when it comes to C3..

SBSGs are technically not legal in Indiana, but ATF does accept registrations for them most of the time. I know of two SB 870s and one SB Benelli in civilian hands here.
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