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Posted: 10/21/2005 6:11:23 AM EDT
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there are pics of the rollmarks here in the upper, lower rollmarks thread that is tacked in ar discussions
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Posted: 10/21/2005 6:20:38 AM EDT
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In other words, HELL NO. Just someone's idea of a bad joke. |
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Posted: 10/21/2005 6:26:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2005 6:29:50 AM EDT
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They DID make the Mattel M16 Marauder. I had one when I was four. John Wayne smashed a Marauder against a tree in "The Green Berets".
But no, Mattel never made any M16 components at all...UNLESS the handguards on a Marauder can fit on the real thing...which I never investigated but rather doubt. CJ |
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Posted: 10/21/2005 9:01:07 AM EDT
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Yup, the famous pic was photoshopped.
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Posted: 10/21/2005 5:45:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2005 5:49:06 PM EDT
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50 rounds... almost a whole minute long... that doesn't sound much fun!
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Posted: 10/22/2005 2:11:58 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info. Case closed.
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Posted: 10/22/2005 2:30:42 AM EDT
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Err, 2 seconds-ish (ETA - IRL) |
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Posted: 10/22/2005 3:23:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2005 5:37:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2005 9:47:02 AM EDT
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I hope you realize that is a photoshop. |
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Posted: 10/22/2005 4:05:22 PM EDT
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I don't think he knew... 
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Posted: 10/22/2005 5:55:20 PM EDT
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Now that is some funny shit! |
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Posted: 10/22/2005 5:59:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:06:15 PM EDT
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Think we could get a group buy of say Stag or Mega lowers w/ the Mattel roll mark with out having a copyright problem? Imagine the rumors then.
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:11:10 PM EDT
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GROUP BUY! |
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:19:29 PM EDT
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I'd be in for three. The Mattel looks much better than deer head. It's the only thing that keeps me from getting one or a dozen. |
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:32:36 PM EDT
[#19]
 That's true.
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:41:50 PM EDT
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Here is the original recipe KFC model:
 
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Posted: 10/22/2005 6:55:32 PM EDT
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But it's true!!1! The M in M-16 was the arches! Lube it with french fry grease and set the selector to McAuto!  |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 1:25:21 AM EDT
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Another easy way to discredit the image is to point out the lack of "Property of US Goverment" markings... |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 5:05:31 AM EDT
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I thought only the Uzi came with the McAuto function. 
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Posted: 10/23/2005 7:33:47 AM EDT
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Mattle did make A1 buttstocks. Stocks were marked Mattel.
No firearms. |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 7:45:47 AM EDT
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not according to the Mattel reps I spoke to.
that pic originated with a member here, he's still on my shit list for doing that. 
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Posted: 10/23/2005 9:19:04 AM EDT
[#26]
Actually, I think it is one hell of a good joke! |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 9:26:58 AM EDT
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No buttstocks either. Mattel has never manufactured even one gun part for ANY gun (other than toys). |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 10:49:14 AM EDT
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Did you hear that at a gun show or a gun store? Bob |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 10:55:41 AM EDT
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I like that idea! 
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Posted: 10/23/2005 11:26:38 AM EDT
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Really?!? It's a great pic - very funny. |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 2:05:21 PM EDT
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it's a great pic, one of a series actually, but I told him when he posted it that we would be seeing it for years as proof that Mattel made M16s. Viola'
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Posted: 10/23/2005 6:08:07 PM EDT
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now that is funny.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:06:30 AM EDT
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I received this information from a couple Vietnam Vets.
That either saw one or was issued one. I might have been misinformed. After I saw the posts after mine I found other people on another board that say they have seen them. “Armorer 03-21-2002, 06:09 PM Ok Boys, I worked on them back then. The first AR STOCKS and forearms were made by Mattel. If you removed the butt plate, they did have "Made by Mattel" stamp on them. Just like Barbie. Been there, done that. By Mid 70's they were rare to find. Just like the adjustable buffers. Big no-no to increase the rate of fire. None of this 3 shot burst stuff like today. Single and Rock -N- Roll! Oh yeah these early ones also had a 3 prong flash hider, that made a dang good beer “bottle opener. Cans didn't have tabs like today. You had to WORK for yer beer :-)” “Dick Robinson 03-22-2002, 03:45 AM The early model, your talking about, was the SP-1, and yes, the plastic parts, were made by Mattel. Have a good one, Dick.” It might be an urban legend. I had a couple of men that I know tell me they had seen them and took their word for it. I read about the Mattel stock on the internet, but that does not mean a lot anyone can say anything. I have not seen one for myself. Sorry if I misinformed anyone. I thought the Mattel M16 stock was a done deal. I will look into it further. God bless, Banks308 |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:28:06 AM EDT
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""The handgrip of the M16 rifle was made by Mattel. When the gun was first introduced in Vietnam, soldiers noticed the toy company's logo embossed on the handgrip and complained. Later shipments arrived without the imprint, but the grips were still manufactured by Mattel. "" from http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.htm |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:35:17 AM EDT
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not a single one on the aftermarket, not a single contract, not a single picture, not a single credible source, and debunked in research.
do you have any idea how many times this has come up here?
Yeah there's some due diligence there billyb, read the rest of the page not just the example email that is usually seen.
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:36:27 AM EDT
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I went to basic training in February 1972. The Mattel rumor was alive and well at that time. The rumors varied, saying that either the whole rifle or parts of it were made by the toy company. In six years in the U.S. Army and reserves, I never saw any M16 that wasn't marked as Colt. FN came well after my time. Watch-Six
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:38:09 AM EDT
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So if this is all well-established as bullshit......why does this keep getting bumped to the top of the forum??
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:42:12 AM EDT
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so that those who comes along afterward and use the SEARCH function won't fall for this crap
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Posted: 10/24/2005 8:53:30 AM EDT
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The first production AR-15's had brown fiberglass furniture made by Fiberite of Worchester, MA. These were used on the first 13,000 or so rifles, and the majority painted green. The butt plate can not be removed, in that it is permanently attached (some had the ArmaLite logo on them):  Unlike the above information the Mattel story lacks any documentation, and no USGI Mattel M16 furniture sets can be found on God's green earth. |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 10:00:16 AM EDT
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I do! 556.223 times in the last ten years? I see a new avatar in your future Tweak  :
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Posted: 10/24/2005 5:32:33 PM EDT
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It has occurred to me Wilson
Ekie, thanks for the reminder about the fixed butt plate on the M16. |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 5:35:25 PM EDT
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Due to some early reliability problems, as well as the black furniture, and small caliber, in a time when military weapons still dressed in wood and were .30 caliber, the M16 picked up the nickname "The Mattel Toy Rifle." Y'know, it's plastic and has no kick, like a cap gun. It doesn't have a thing to do with any engraving or molding. It's just military humor. |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 8:51:23 AM EDT
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McAuto |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 10:58:06 AM EDT
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Tag for retard deterrent.
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Posted: 10/25/2005 11:56:52 AM EDT
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M24shooter,
Do you remember who chopped together that Mattel pic? |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 1:43:08 PM EDT
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No, I rember the fury on this and the AR list, but I don't remember who did it originally. I've had a few Shiner Bocks since then. But just like you said it always gets drummed up. I've even seen it on completely unrelated lists and fora, and it is an absolute bitch to get people that don't know better to believe that it was a chop job.
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Posted: 10/25/2005 3:18:34 PM EDT
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Note that it is the same serial number as the Mattel photoshop pic. |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 5:12:08 PM EDT
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It made it into Black Rifle II listed as a hoax fortunately. I keep thinking it's one of the names that I know who did the chopping.ETA: Found it sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AR15-L/message/39194
You mean this one?  Guilty as charged! :^D The original image of the receivers was posted to ARFcom by someone else, but the retouching was really bad. I did the Photoshop clean-up and added the Mattel logo. I also created another version to show that Mattel made the very first M16, serial 001 -  In fact I posted them sequentially so it would be obvious to everybody that they were fakes, but some people to this day swear that they were issued Mattel M16s when they were "in country." My response is usually "what drugs are you taking?" and "do you have any more?" :^P Gary wrote: > BTW, the Mattel M16 pic made it into Black Rifle 2 in the author's foreward > comments. Interesting... I haven't seen BR2 yet - was it *my* graphic in the book? I wonder if I could sue? ;->
rambo's right - I *did* rebarrel and reassemble a complete M16 in my room at the the Sheperdsville Best Western using only a Swiss Army Knife and a rusty pair of slip-joint pliers that I had found in the parking lot. Now here's the funny part - you *shot* that gun, rambo! Remember the two of us up on the line at Knob Creek and I handed you an M16 with a big yellow Mickey Mouse sticker covering up the giant crack in the buttstock? That was the rifle!!! :^D And as I remember, it ran just fine for you that day.
Homo Erectus? Sounds like a queer fellow to me. :^P -- Kris |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 7:19:43 PM EDT
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Now that you slapped me with the obvious, I remember it was Kris. All the wonderful threads he got going on the AR list.
ETA: Does he still post here? I haven't seen much of him on the list, and he was usually good for several posts on a really good flame war. |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 7:49:53 PM EDT
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Normally I wouldnt weigh in on something like this.... but.......
Quoted from the globalsecurity.org website, the following excerpt: ==> The M-16 was type classified standard A in 1965 and became the military’s basic service rifle. By 1966 it was in widespread use. The M16 was called the "black rifle" and "Mattel toy" thanks to its appearance. Troops liked the light weight, but complained about insufficient range and lethality. While the M16 had been marketed as virtually "maintenance free, poor maintenance instructions (or even no instructions) and jungle climate together with the fouling-prone direct gas system caused trouble. Its high rates of fire in the jungle environment had a larger impact on increasing American morale than on actually inflicting enemy casualties. The move to high-velocity 5.56 mm was also subsequently adopted by the Israelis, the Soviets, and NATO allies. DARPA’s most significant contribution to this program was its willingness to “think outside of the box” and try something new. <== link to the full article:  Not trying to say that this article in its entirety is true, but to add a new dimension in the search for the elusive source of the "Mattel Rifle" conundrum..... |
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