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Posted: 10/21/2005 6:04:11 AM EDT
Hello,

I am sure this has been brought up before but I gotta ask if it's true that Mattle toy company indeed made M16s during the Vietnam war. Or some parts. All info appreciated. BTW, I remember seeing a pic of Mattel lower...It could have been photoshopped...who knows. Thanks.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 6:11:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 6:20:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
there are pics of the rollmarks here in the upper, lower rollmarks thread that is tacked in ar discussions



In other words, HELL NO. Just someone's idea of a bad joke.
Link Posted: 10/21/2005 6:26:27 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2005 2:11:58 AM EDT
Thanks for the info. Case closed.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 2:30:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/22/2005 2:31:14 AM EDT by -brass-]
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 3:23:18 AM EDT
once heard a rumor that Tyco made the plastic parts noses run and feet smell
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 5:37:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 5:27:04 AM EDT by oldguy]
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Link Posted: 10/22/2005 9:47:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By oldguy:
Seeing is believing. Mattel didn't make very many...

jcrisp.net/temp/mattelm16.jpg



I hope you realize that is a photoshop.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 4:05:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By oldguy:
Seeing is believing. Mattel didn't make very many...

jcrisp.net/temp/mattelm16.jpg



I hope you realize that is a photoshop.



I don't think he knew...
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 5:55:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Forest:

Originally Posted By oldguy:
Seeing is believing. Mattel didn't make very many...

jcrisp.net/temp/mattelm16.jpg



I hope you realize that is a photoshop.



I don't think he knew...





Now that is some funny shit!
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 5:59:56 PM EDT
When I was at the fire academy a fellow recruit was telling every one that the M-16 he had in the army hug.gif was made by ronald mcdonald corp He

Magoo
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:06:15 PM EDT
Think we could get a group buy of say Stag or Mega lowers w/ the Mattel roll mark with out having a copyright problem? Imagine the rumors then.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:11:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m-dc:
Think we could get a group buy of say Stag or Mega lowers w/ the Mattel roll mark with out having a copyright problem? Imagine the rumors then.


GROUP BUY!
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:19:29 PM EDT

I'd be in for three. The Mattel looks much better than deer head. It's the only thing that keeps me from getting one or a dozen.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:32:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
The Mattel looks much better than deer head.


That's true.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:41:50 PM EDT
Here is the original recipe KFC model:



Link Posted: 10/22/2005 6:55:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Magoo6541:
When I was at the fire academy a fellow recruit was telling every one that the M-16 he had in the army was made by ronald mcdonald corp . He couldn't understand why I fell to the ground laughing and then wouldn't talk to him afterward except to make fun at his bs stories.

Magoo



But it's true!!1!

The M in M-16 was the arches!

Lube it with french fry grease and set the selector to McAuto!



Link Posted: 10/23/2005 1:25:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By oldguy:
Seeing is believing. Mattel didn't make very many...

jcrisp.net/temp/mattelm16.jpg




Another easy way to discredit the image is to point out the lack of "Property of US Goverment" markings...
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 5:05:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DrMark:

Originally Posted By Magoo6541:
When I was at the fire academy a fellow recruit was telling every one that the M-16 he had in the army was made by ronald mcdonald corp . He couldn't understand why I fell to the ground laughing and then wouldn't talk to him afterward except to make fun at his bs stories.

Magoo



But it's true!!1!

The M in M-16 was the arches!

Lube it with french fry grease and set the selector to McAuto!





I thought only the Uzi came with the McAuto function.
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 7:33:47 AM EDT
Mattle did make A1 buttstocks. Stocks were marked Mattel.

No firearms.
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 7:45:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 9:19:04 AM EDT

In other words, HELL NO. Just someone's idea of a bad joke.


Actually, I think it is one hell of a good joke!
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 9:26:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By banks308:
Mattle did make A1 buttstocks. Stocks were marked Mattel.

No firearms.



No buttstocks either. Mattel has never manufactured even one gun part for ANY gun (other than toys).
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 10:49:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By banks308:
Mattle did make A1 buttstocks. Stocks were marked Mattel.

No firearms.



Did you hear that at a gun show or a gun store?

Bob
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 10:55:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 11:26:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tweak:
...he's still on my shit list for doing that.



Really?!?

It's a great pic - very funny.

Link Posted: 10/23/2005 2:05:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 6:08:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dewatters:
Here is the original recipe KFC model:

www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm/images/kfc-m16a1.jpg





now that is funny..
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:06:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2005 8:08:25 AM EDT by banks308]
I received this information from a couple Vietnam Vets.
That either saw one or was issued one. I might have been misinformed.
After I saw the posts after mine I found other people on another board that say they have seen them.

“Armorer
03-21-2002, 06:09 PM
Ok Boys,
I worked on them back then. The first AR STOCKS and forearms were made by Mattel. If you removed the butt plate, they did have "Made by Mattel" stamp on them. Just like Barbie.
Been there, done that. By Mid 70's they were rare to find.
Just like the adjustable buffers. Big no-no to increase the rate of fire. None of this 3 shot burst stuff like today. Single and Rock -N- Roll!
Oh yeah these early ones also had a 3 prong flash hider, that made a dang good beer “bottle opener. Cans didn't have tabs like today. You had to WORK for yer beer :-)”

“Dick Robinson
03-22-2002, 03:45 AM
The early model, your talking about, was the SP-1, and yes, the plastic parts, were made by Mattel.
Have a good one, Dick.”

It might be an urban legend. I had a couple of men that I know tell me they had seen them and took their word for it.

I read about the Mattel stock on the internet, but that does not mean a lot anyone can say anything.

I have not seen one for myself. Sorry if I misinformed anyone.
I thought the Mattel M16 stock was a done deal. I will look into it further.

God bless,
Banks308
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:28:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:

Originally Posted By banks308:
Mattle did make A1 buttstocks. Stocks were marked Mattel.

No firearms.



No buttstocks either. Mattel has never manufactured even one gun part for ANY gun (other than toys).




""The handgrip of the M16 rifle was made by Mattel. When the gun was first introduced in Vietnam, soldiers noticed the toy company's logo embossed on the handgrip and complained. Later shipments arrived without the imprint, but the grips were still manufactured by Mattel. ""

from http://www.snopes.com/military/m16.htm
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:35:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2005 8:41:11 AM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:36:27 AM EDT
I went to basic training in February 1972. The Mattel rumor was alive and well at that time. The rumors varied, saying that either the whole rifle or parts of it were made by the toy company. In six years in the U.S. Army and reserves, I never saw any M16 that wasn't marked as Colt. FN came well after my time. Watch-Six
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:38:09 AM EDT
So if this is all well-established as bullshit......why does this keep getting bumped to the top of the forum??
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:42:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 8:53:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By banks308:
I received this information from a couple Vietnam Vets.
That either saw one or was issued one. I might have been misinformed.
After I saw the posts after mine I found other people on another board that say they have seen them.

“Armorer
03-21-2002, 06:09 PM
Ok Boys,
I worked on them back then. The first AR STOCKS and forearms were made by Mattel. If you removed the butt plate, they did have "Made by Mattel" stamp on them. Just like Barbie.
Been there, done that. By Mid 70's they were rare to find.
Just like the adjustable buffers. Big no-no to increase the rate of fire. None of this 3 shot burst stuff like today. Single and Rock -N- Roll!
Oh yeah these early ones also had a 3 prong flash hider, that made a dang good beer “bottle opener. Cans didn't have tabs like today. You had to WORK for yer beer :-)”

“Dick Robinson
03-22-2002, 03:45 AM
The early model, your talking about, was the SP-1, and yes, the plastic parts, were made by Mattel.
Have a good one, Dick.”

It might be an urban legend. I had a couple of men that I know tell me they had seen them and took their word for it.

I read about the Mattel stock on the internet, but that does not mean a lot anyone can say anything.

I have not seen one for myself. Sorry if I misinformed anyone.
I thought the Mattel M16 stock was a done deal. I will look into it further.

God bless,
Banks308



The first production AR-15's had brown fiberglass furniture made by Fiberite of Worchester, MA. These were used on the first 13,000 or so rifles, and the majority painted green. The butt plate can not be removed, in that it is permanently attached (some had the ArmaLite logo on them):



Unlike the above information the Mattel story lacks any documentation, and no USGI Mattel M16 furniture sets can be found on God's green earth.
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 10:00:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2005 10:01:26 AM EDT by WILSON]
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 5:32:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2005 5:35:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Watch-Six:
I went to basic training in February 1972. The Mattel rumor was alive and well at that time. The rumors varied, saying that either the whole rifle or parts of it were made by the toy company. In six years in the U.S. Army and reserves, I never saw any M16 that wasn't marked as Colt. FN came well after my time. Watch-Six


Due to some early reliability problems, as well as the black furniture, and small caliber, in a time when military weapons still dressed in wood and were .30 caliber, the M16 picked up the nickname "The Mattel Toy Rifle." Y'know, it's plastic and has no kick, like a cap gun.

It doesn't have a thing to do with any engraving or molding.
It's just military humor.
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 8:51:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stryfe:

Originally Posted By DrMark:

Originally Posted By Magoo6541:
When I was at the fire academy a fellow recruit was telling every one that the M-16 he had in the army hug.gif was made by ronald mcdonald corp He

Magoo



But it's true!!1!

The M in M-16 was the arches!

Lube it with french fry grease and set the selector to McAuto!

hr

I thought only the Uzi came with the McAuto function.
hr


McAuto
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 10:58:06 AM EDT
Tag for retard deterrent.
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 11:56:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 1:43:08 PM EDT
No, I rember the fury on this and the AR list, but I don't remember who did it originally. I've had a few Shiner Bocks since then. But just like you said it always gets drummed up. I've even seen it on completely unrelated lists and fora, and it is an absolute bitch to get people that don't know better to believe that it was a chop job.
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 3:18:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ar_mcadams:

Originally Posted By dewatters:
Here is the original recipe KFC model:

www.planetrainbowsix.com/armm/images/kfc-m16a1.jpg





now that is funny..



Note that it is the same serial number as the Mattel photoshop pic.
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 5:12:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2005 5:41:16 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 7:19:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2005 7:28:18 PM EDT by m24shooter]
Now that you slapped me with the obvious, I remember it was Kris. All the wonderful threads he got going on the AR list.
ETA: Does he still post here? I haven't seen much of him on the list, and he was usually good for several posts on a really good flame war.
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 7:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2005 7:50:29 PM EDT by Head_Space]
Normally I wouldnt weigh in on something like this.... but.......

Quoted from the globalsecurity.org website, the following excerpt:
==> The M-16 was type classified standard A in 1965 and became the military’s basic service rifle. By 1966 it was in widespread use. The M16 was called the "black rifle" and "Mattel toy" thanks to its appearance. Troops liked the light weight, but complained about insufficient range and lethality. While the M16 had been marketed as virtually "maintenance free, poor maintenance instructions (or even no instructions) and jungle climate together with the fouling-prone direct gas system caused trouble. Its high rates of fire in the jungle environment had a larger impact on increasing American morale than on actually inflicting enemy casualties. The move to high-velocity 5.56 mm was also subsequently adopted by the Israelis, the Soviets, and NATO allies. DARPA’s most significant contribution to this program was its willingness to “think outside of the box” and try something new. <==

link to the full article:

Not trying to say that this article in its entirety is true, but to add a new dimension in the search for the elusive source of the "Mattel Rifle" conundrum.....
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