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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:11:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2007 4:45:42 PM EDT by cckw]
I am making this post to try to square up some info on MK262Mod1 seconds and the moly coated version. I recently bought some of the moly (which many folks think doesn't exist) When I bought it
I had questions and the dealer called Black Hills and put me on the phone to get the answers. here is what i was told.

Seconds are a visual inspection done by hand at the end of production. Seconds are based on appearance things such as stains, scratches and minor dings.
Every round is visually inspected. Anything else like depth of bullet seat etc would get it recycled.

The powder used is not the same as in their other stuff. What it is and what is different about it is confidential.

Brass is from Winchester as all of the new Black Hills brass is.

The particular Moly coat that I got is from a Marine Corp contract the designation is MK294Mod-0. (pretty sure that's it, can't find my note right now)
I asked some other questions about who would get the molly, and stuff like that, but that was confidential info I guess.

Here is a photo of the Moly and some regular 262. My camera is not as good as Stick's but I think you can make everything out.

edit to add: When I was at my dealer-friends place checking this stuff out. He asked how much I was going to want and guess what I said?
"All of it!" of course

Anyone have any WW-2 stuff they want to trade for some of this?
(If that's an inappropriate pitch a mod can PM me and I'll remove that)


Link Posted: 11/30/2007 10:33:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2007 10:33:56 AM EDT by leid]
cckw,
Does the moly bullet have a cannelure and is the case mouth crimped onto the bullet?

Carey
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 10:47:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leid:
cckw,
Does the moly bullet have a cannelure and is the case mouth crimped onto the bullet?

Carey


Those details were not discussed on the phone with BH. Black Hills crimps are not as obvious as others, But I am certain they are well crimped. It appears that the Moly does not have a cannalure. I looked at several rounds and do not see any evidence of a cannelure.
Link Posted: 11/30/2007 2:36:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2007 5:22:26 PM EDT by FMJ]



I BELIVE IT!


I wish it came in 60rds per box

Link Posted: 11/30/2007 5:43:21 PM EDT
I assume you mean 60 rounds to load 2 mags. IWith 5 boxes (1/2 case) that is 2 bandos, plus 10 rounds to test fire.

I have some quick access SHTF in 30 cal cans: 2 bandos plus 2 mags per 30 cal can. and some dessicant of course
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:00:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/1/2007 5:03:00 AM EDT by FMJ]

Originally Posted By cckw:
I assume you mean 60 rounds to load 2 mags. IWith 5 boxes (1/2 case) that is 2 bandos, plus 10 rounds to test fire.

I have some quick access SHTF in 30 cal cans: 2 bandos plus 2 mags per 30 cal can. and some dessicant of course



Man I have so so many Bandoliers it aint funny

I have 2 bags full I try to give away at the Local range and no one wants them

but yet have a hard time throwing away


All my M855/M193 are packed in Bandoliers Or came with bandoliers like the LC M855 Cans I have!


My MK262 I packed them in 7 USGI 30round mags and put in chest rig

I use BH75gr
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:20:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cckw:

Originally Posted By leid:
cckw,
Does the moly bullet have a cannelure and is the case mouth crimped onto the bullet?

Carey


Those details were not discussed on the phone with BH. Black Hills crimps are not as obvious as others, But I am certain they are well crimped. It appears that the Moly does not have a cannalure. I looked at several rounds and do not see any evidence of a cannelure.


The MK262 bullet does not have a heavy cannelure like the M855 bullet, but the cannelure would be visible under close examination if it were present. What load information is given on the top of the moly ammo box? A pic would help.

Carey
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:31:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:48:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2007 10:45:46 AM EDT by FMJ]

Originally Posted By leid:
Originally Posted By cckw:
Originally Posted By leid:
cckw,



What load information is given on the top of the moly ammo box? A pic would help.


Carey


On my BH WHITE BOX 5.56 77gr Match HP NON MOLLY

There isnt any SPEC for the load

just Seconds
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 7:18:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FMJ:
What load information is given on the top of the moly ammo box? A pic would help.


Carey


On my BH WHITE BOX 5.56 77gr Match HP

There isnt any SPEC for the load

just Seconds

that is correct no load info on these boxes. Only what you see on the end.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 7:37:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/2/2007 8:18:34 AM EDT by leid]

Originally Posted By cckw:

Originally Posted By FMJ:
What load information is given on the top of the moly ammo box? A pic would help.


Carey


On my BH WHITE BOX 5.56 77gr Match HP

There isnt any SPEC for the load

just Seconds

that is correct no load info on these boxes. Only what you see on the end.



"Seconds" is significant info and is useful just as "Sample", "N" contract, or "DABT" contract info would be. "Seconds" indicates that BH either is or may soon market the 5.56mm Match Moly Coated ammo production seconds in addition to the AA53 5.56mm MK 262 MOD 1 combat ammo production seconds already being sold. Joseph Kiser may soon have a new BH 5.56mm Match Moly seconds round to market!
BH is still using '06 WCC brass in their '07 lot number 5.56mm ammo. But the date code contained in the lot number on the moly box will tell you if it was made in '06 or '07.

Carey



Link Posted: 12/2/2007 10:56:41 AM EDT
What make moly bullets different from others. Also what is the purpose of cannelure.

Originally Posted By leid:
cckw,
Does the moly bullet have a cannelure and is the case mouth crimped onto the bullet?

Carey
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 11:16:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bakerbt:
What make moly bullets different from others?


What he said.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 11:24:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bakerbt:
What make moly bullets different from others. Also what is the purpose of cannelure.

Originally Posted By leid:
cckw,
Does the moly bullet have a cannelure and is the case mouth crimped onto the bullet?

Carey



Moly is a coating on the bullets that is supposed to reduce friction, fouling of the bore, and some people say is slightly more accurate.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 11:31:01 AM EDT
I've seen some references to not using it for anything but paper, i.e. "I wouldn't use it hunting, but for punching paper it's great." What gives? Ignorance or wisdom speaking?
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 11:52:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 2:00:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
I've seen some references to not using it for anything but paper, i.e. "I wouldn't use it hunting, but for punching paper it's great." What gives? Ignorance or wisdom speaking?


IMHO bullet placement is 99% of the "hunting" equation. If the game isn't too large and the shot is where it needs to be...the game is dead.

That being said, I am sure it does not perform as well as traditional soft point mushrooming/expanding hunting ammo...and .223 is on the small side for deer. Again; shot placement will overcome many deficiancies and M262 is accurate enough to put it where the Op wants it if he is practiced enough..

Mark
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 4:37:00 PM EDT
The Nosler 77 grain bullets in the M262 Mod 1 boolets have a pretty heavy cannelure. Nosler informed me that they will run another batch in the spring.
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 5:05:45 PM EDT
I found this NSWF Crane Power point on the 262 Mod 0 and Mod 1 rounds. In the slide it mentions that the difference between the two is unmeasurable.



LINK IF YOU HAVE PP
Link Posted: 12/2/2007 7:52:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/2/2007 7:57:29 PM EDT by cckw]

Originally Posted By leid:
BH is still using '06 WCC brass in their '07 lot number 5.56mm ammo. But the date code contained in the lot number on the moly box will tell you if it was made in '06 or '07.

Carey



It is very recent production. I just got it last week. It was still sitting where the UPS guy left it near the front counter.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 5:46:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:23:12 AM EDT
I talked to Black Hills again today. The person I talked to said that they make "Mark 262 and Mark 294" for the gov. The 294 is the moly and is for the marine corp. Thier belief is that it goes to the front line.

Some of you seem to have good info sources, but surely the manufacturer would know what the customer is doing with it...? Also I overspent on it, so there is a listing on the EE to sell some.
Link Posted: 12/3/2007 9:45:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2007 9:51:17 AM EDT by leid]
This info was released to the general public.

Carey



Link Posted: 12/3/2007 11:54:22 AM EDT
I don't think the Moly is going to the battlefield...FYI.

Maj
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