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Hmmm, fired out of battery or had a bore obstruction?
Did he clear a malfunction just before it happened? |
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Isn't L2A2 South African? I think it's the Radway Green thats downloaded for the L85A2 but I may be mistaken. |
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If you haven't done so already, report this to your ammo people. I realize it's more paperwork, but there is a process that may bring in civilians (LARs, QASAS, etc) and help you determine if the problem was the weapon or the ammo. They may also suspend the lot of ammo until the cause can be determined. You don't want this to happen to anyone else. One question I guarantee they'll ask: Was this ammo authorized for use?
If you've already done this, never mind. Edited to add: Welcome to the forum. |
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Good God...that is one lucky soldier! Definitely looks like bore obstruction. Is the guy OK, or did he get shredded by the KFB.
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Was there a jam in this weapon before the shot was fired? I have seen similar on Edson Range, when a bore had not been rodded after a jam. A piece of the bullet was still in the start of the barrel, when the next round was seated, it wedged with the fragment and blew the whole side out of the weapon.
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It looks like to me that excessive pressure may have played a small roll in the damage to that firearm.
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Is that part of the case wedged between the bolt and carrier?
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The exterior shape of the weapon don't look to good. I notice corrosion on part of the forward assist.
Perhaps the weapon was neglected? Hmmmmm ..... |
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Just put some JB Weld on it and sand it out it will be good as new.
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That "corrosion" looks like some of the talcum-powder like sand you find in the box that blows all around and enjoys mating with excess CLP.
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Would it be possible to get a shot of just the bolt and bolt carrier?
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What I dont understand is.... if this indeed was a barrel obstruction, and therefore the damage should be contained in *front* of the locked bolt..... Weapon fires, projectile strikes obstruction, possible KB/swell of barrel under handguards. How did so much damage occur in the upper receiver?
Unless, the obstruction kept the bolt from going into full battery... but then, how would it have fired? Or, unless the lugs sheared off the bolt from the pressure, then that would explain the damage..... but for all that damage..... that bolt had to shear or unlock. Only other thing I could think of is the obstruction was near the muzzle, forward of the gas tube port... causing extreme pressue to be fored back into the upper receiver, both via gas tube and direct from the bore.... this scenario makes the most sense, and might explain the blowing up of the bottom of the carrier, which could not sustain that gas pressure? |
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I've seen pics of active duty guys that had a detachable carrying handle tied to the hand guard area. |
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I've seen it before a few times, partial bore obstruction is usually the case, Once though it was done by a case seperation (most of the time though a case seperation just blows out through the bottom and ruins the magazine only). Are any of the bolt lugs cracked or missing? Is there a ring in the barrel?
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The pressure has to go somewhere, it goes backwards, usually through the firing pin hole and under the ejector along the firing pin tunnel. There it will blow out the weakest part of the bolt carrier, the "tongue" on the bottom. It the common failure mode for the M series. |
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My question is if you replace the bolt carrier and bolt will it fire again?
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that is from the weapon riding being carried by the soldier for the rest of the day while they were transported back form the range. There is a heck of a lot of dust there.
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I just talked to a friend that had the exact same result from shooting a round loaded with pistol powder. No bore obstruction. He said the result looked exactly the same.
is there a chance this ammo was sabotaged? |
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ATF might consider it demilled but i doubt it. |
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Very interesting...
also noted the copious amount of sand on the weapon... hey, I know it happens. But... I think... its not ammo... although firing the round caused the failure here. I am leaning toward barrel obstruction... Y- |
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Yup, Bore obstruction....lessons to be learned here on the use of unauthorized ammunition, visually checking the bore, PCMS, etc.
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Don't worry, my dad's a TV repairman. He's got lots of tools...
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It sounds to me like the analysis is right on:
- It seems likely that at some point a round was chambered and then removed without being fired, but that round left its bullet behind in the leade area. If that bullet turns out to be a training round from a previous day, then either the soldier brought one of them home and had chambered it in the rifle, or the soldier did not clean the rifle after that training cycle. If it's not a training bullet, then it has to be from some other ammo that was chambered at some point before going to the range the day of the kB!. - Clearly, the reason the first round didn't chamber fully was due to the bore obstruction. And clearly, the reason the second one did chamber is because the obstruction was forced further into the bore. Anyway, it looks like the rifle did a fairly good job of containing the blast. -Troy |
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Also for future reference not that this had anyhting to do with the malfunction with this rifle, but the british ammo is loaded to a much lower power quotient than the U.S. Spec ammo is. This was done in order for the british rifle (L2a2 i think........who cares when you have an AR) to function properly.
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HMMMMMMM.......if there is a bullet stuck in the barrel that would explain it
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SOME of it was, back in the mid-80s, but that was a failed experiement to get the old L85A1s to run right. -Troy |
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What I don't understand (and I did EM huntgrouse about it) is the "paint marking" ammo I am familar with is Simunitions and that used a dedicated upper so no piece of the projo could have been left in the 5.56 bore. Is there a 5.56 interchangeable paint marking round?
That, and the pressure did not travel via the gas tube. |
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Quoted:
.......Is there a 5.56 interchangeable paint marking round? quote] Yes, not widely used...yet. Hotgun |
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For the folks asking about sand:
You obviously haven't been in the desert because that sh*t is everywhere. When you work near tactical vehicles in the desert (especially tracked vehicles like bradleys and tanks) they pick up a LOT of sand as they drive around. If you work in those areas, it'd be advisable to wear some type of scarf to prevent getting a mouthful of sand. Trust me, when the sand is that fine it can and will get everywhere. If you have any amount of CLP that is staying on the surface of your rifle or rifle parts (like the forward assist roll pin in the picture) sand will find its way there. |
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