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Link Posted: 5/24/2014 8:48:21 PM EST
I know this has probably been asked a million times, but how nice are the SU-230's?

I took the SU-231 off my B2 and put it on my MK18 and now my B2 is naked. I think I want to get out of the AK platform so I have about $2500-3000 worth of AK stuff I can sell and I could get the Elcan with that. Is it worth it? Or am I better off with another SU-231, ACOG, etc?
Link Posted: 5/24/2014 10:00:21 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Dysfunction:


I know this has probably been asked a million times, but how nice are the SU-230's?



I took the SU-231 off my B2 and put it on my MK18 and now my B2 is naked. I think I want to get out of the AK platform so I have about $2500-3000 worth of AK stuff I can sell and I could get the Elcan with that. Is it worth it? Or am I better off with another SU-231, ACOG, etc?
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It all depends how heavy you are into the clone game IMHO. The Elcan is a sweet optic for sure, but I think there are better options, especially for the price. I've always felt an Eotech with 3x magnifier will serve close to the same purpose and I have substantial experience with both, albeit civilian experience. The Leupold Mk 6 seems to be one of the best all around choices right now as far as variables go, but it's not "clone correct". You just need to determine your priorities.
Link Posted: 5/24/2014 10:39:34 PM EST
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.



SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.



A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:





Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.


Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".

Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.

~7-8,000 rounds:


New unused can:


Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.

In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.











Link Posted: 5/24/2014 10:57:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg

SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg

A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg

Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.


Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".

Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.

~7-8,000 rounds:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg

New unused can:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg

Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.

In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.











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Quality post. I'll probably go to an XPS for my B2 then.

Although I shoot a ton and I like muzzle brakes, not sure if I'll go swapping out everything for brakes (I have mostly FH's installed) to save the can.

How well will a Surefire can work with that much wear on it? Is it completely ineffective? If you wear your can to that point, what is the cost to have Surefire rebuild the can? Or do you have to purchase a new one?

Thinking I should order a couple more SOCOM cans as I already have a bunch of rounds through mine. Probably going to order a full size and mini tomorrow after seeing this.
Link Posted: 5/24/2014 10:59:31 PM EST

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Originally Posted By JShepard:


Some recent observations.



Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.



http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg



SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.



http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg



A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:



http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg



http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg



Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.





Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".



Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.



~7-8,000 rounds:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg



New unused can:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg



Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.



In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.
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Awesome man. Thanks for the pics. I want an SU-231A marked Exps 3-0

Good to hear an experienced opinion on the flash hider vs muzzle break debate. 10k rounds equates to a lot of $ for most of us, but so does the cost for a suppressor. I'll definitely think twice about using a flash hider as my primary suppressor mount now.



Link Posted: 5/25/2014 1:00:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/25/2014 1:01:19 AM EST by Tmender03]
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg

SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg

A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg

Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.


Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".

Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.

~7-8,000 rounds:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg

New unused can:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg

Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.

In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.











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I think this was brought up before, but maybe you can confirm that the standard gold extractor spring is used without an o-ring.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 1:18:18 AM EST
Nice post Jshephard
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 2:31:39 AM EST
JShepard - thanks for the great post and for sharing with us.  Question - how are you mounting your Scout mini now with LA-5 in front of the FSB?  Did you switch back to the original mount?  And, if you don't mind me asking - how do you activate the Scout without a switch (assuming you are not a lefty)?  Thanks!










 
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 2:40:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/25/2014 2:40:51 AM EST by ihcnehc]




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Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
Quality post. I'll probably go to an XPS for my B2 then.
Although I shoot a ton and I like muzzle brakes, not sure if I'll go swapping out everything for brakes (I have mostly FH's installed) to save the can.
How well will a Surefire can work with that much wear on it? Is it completely ineffective? If you wear your can to that point, what is the cost to have Surefire rebuild the can? Or do you have to purchase a new one?
Thinking I should order a couple more SOCOM cans as I already have a bunch of rounds through mine. Probably going to order a full size and mini tomorrow after seeing this.
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Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
Originally Posted By JShepard:




Some recent observations.
Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg
SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg
A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg
Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.
Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".
Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.
~7-8,000 rounds:




http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg
New unused can:




http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg
Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.
In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.

Quality post. I'll probably go to an XPS for my B2 then.
Although I shoot a ton and I like muzzle brakes, not sure if I'll go swapping out everything for brakes (I have mostly FH's installed) to save the can.
How well will a Surefire can work with that much wear on it? Is it completely ineffective? If you wear your can to that point, what is the cost to have Surefire rebuild the can? Or do you have to purchase a new one?
Thinking I should order a couple more SOCOM cans as I already have a bunch of rounds through mine. Probably going to order a full size and mini tomorrow after seeing this.



This question has been asked and answered a few times.  I believe it was around $650 from the most recent post in the CQBR thread.  I also asked a Surefire rep myself when I sent in mine for refinishing around March 2014 and confirmed that they will refurbish a shot out can (same S/N, so no need to go through the same NFA process again).

 












I have two SOCOM-RCs, given my shooting schedule I don't believe they will break down at the same time.  When one is shot out, I can just send one in and using the other one.



















 

 
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 2:29:27 PM EST
Bad photo. Just finished painting it. I'll get it with good photography in the next few months.

Link Posted: 5/25/2014 3:04:21 PM EST
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Bad photo. Just finished painting it. I'll get it with good photography in the next few months.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/14081597910_21dc18db2a_b.jpg
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Gorgeous
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 3:28:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/25/2014 3:29:04 PM EST by theARlife]
It's not like brakes greatly preserving the life of a can hasn't long been confirmed fact - with 14.5s, and far greater with 10.3s.

Glad JShepard has now jumped in on this topic so those previously unwilling to listen to others on this subject are now for some reason willing to see the logic.

It was entertaining seeing some of the comments made on this subject in the MK18/CQBR thread in particular. If you run a suppressed 5.56 10.3 with a flash hider, your can is getting beat to shit. Period.

Not like he really needed to address EoTechs being junk either though - as that's also been public knowledge for quite some time as well.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 4:07:25 PM EST
M4A1s are now being delivered to regular Army units. A guy on MP.net said his had a DD RIS II FSP handguard too. He didn't state what his unit was; are these going to be Army-standard?
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 4:08:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

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I'm new to this thread. Is the EXPS series much less problematic?
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 4:53:37 PM EST
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I'm new to this thread. Is the EXPS series much less problematic?
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Originally Posted By PirateFreedom:
Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.



I'm new to this thread. Is the EXPS series much less problematic?

So they say, yes. It has a lot to do with battery orientation.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 4:59:17 PM EST
to confirm, you guys are saying that surefire will rebuild your can when it needs it for 650? at that point, is it basically good as new?

Also, how can one tell that their can is "shot out"?

Thanks
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 4:59:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/25/2014 4:59:50 PM EST by ankratz]
double tap
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 5:30:36 PM EST

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Originally Posted By theARlife:


It's not like brakes greatly preserving the life of a can hasn't long been confirmed fact - with 14.5s, and far greater with 10.3s.



Glad JShepard has now jumped in on this topic so those previously unwilling to listen to others on this subject are now for some reason willing to see the logic.



It was entertaining seeing some of the comments made on this subject in the MK18/CQBR thread in particular. If you run a suppressed 5.56 10.3 with a flash hider, your can is getting beat to shit. Period.



Not like he really needed to address EoTechs being junk either though - as that's also been public knowledge for quite some time as well.
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Ryan - is this you?  

 
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 5:36:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PirateFreedom:
M4A1s are now being delivered to regular Army units. A guy on MP.net said his had a DD RIS II FSP handguard too. He didn't state what his unit was; are these going to be Army-standard?
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I wrote that on MP.net. A large order of DD FSP RIS II rails was made for Army SF, I doubt big Army has money to throw around on rails at the moment.

If you look closely at the bottom of the center blast baffle hole, there is a chunk of metal missing. This piece ended up punching out of the front end of the can. That is how you can tell your can has been shot out, otherwise keep on trucking.

I'll check Tuesday but I am almost 100% sure that none of our guns have o-rings for the extractor spring.

ihcnehc, I started using a Magpul VFG to reach under the handguard with my thumb and hit the light push button. Not ideal since I dislike vertical grips but its still better than tape switches. Your mileage may vary.

Link Posted: 5/25/2014 5:53:43 PM EST

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Originally Posted By JShepard:
I wrote that on MP.net. A large order of DD FSP RIS II rails was made for Army SF, I doubt big Army has money to throw around on rails at the moment.



If you look closely at the bottom of the center blast baffle hole, there is a chunk of metal missing. This piece ended up punching out of the front end of the can. That is how you can tell your can has been shot out, otherwise keep on trucking.



I'll check Tuesday but I am almost 100% sure that none of our guns have o-rings for the extractor spring.



ihcnehc, I started using a Magpul VFG to reach under the handguard with my thumb and hit the light push button. Not ideal since I dislike vertical grips but its still better than tape switches. Your mileage may vary.



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Originally Posted By PirateFreedom:

M4A1s are now being delivered to regular Army units. A guy on MP.net said his had a DD RIS II FSP handguard too. He didn't state what his unit was; are these going to be Army-standard?




I wrote that on MP.net. A large order of DD FSP RIS II rails was made for Army SF, I doubt big Army has money to throw around on rails at the moment.



If you look closely at the bottom of the center blast baffle hole, there is a chunk of metal missing. This piece ended up punching out of the front end of the can. That is how you can tell your can has been shot out, otherwise keep on trucking.



I'll check Tuesday but I am almost 100% sure that none of our guns have o-rings for the extractor spring.



ihcnehc, I started using a Magpul VFG to reach under the handguard with my thumb and hit the light push button. Not ideal since I dislike vertical grips but its still better than tape switches. Your mileage may vary.



JShepard - thanks for your feedback.

 



From one of your pictures, one can clearly see that you had on a FH-556RC as the blast erosion marks line up perfectly with its prongs.  Awesome.




Link Posted: 5/25/2014 6:25:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/25/2014 6:26:06 PM EST by Lawdog-1]
The last photo of the New / Unused can looks like it has been shot some, it doesn't look brand NEW.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 6:29:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JShepard:


I wrote that on MP.net. A large order of DD FSP RIS II rails was made for Army SF, I doubt big Army has money to throw around on rails at the moment.

If you look closely at the bottom of the center blast baffle hole, there is a chunk of metal missing. This piece ended up punching out of the front end of the can. That is how you can tell your can has been shot out, otherwise keep on trucking.

I'll check Tuesday but I am almost 100% sure that none of our guns have o-rings for the extractor spring.

ihcnehc, I started using a Magpul VFG to reach under the handguard with my thumb and hit the light push button. Not ideal since I dislike vertical grips but its still better than tape switches. Your mileage may vary.

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Originally Posted By PirateFreedom:
M4A1s are now being delivered to regular Army units. A guy on MP.net said his had a DD RIS II FSP handguard too. He didn't state what his unit was; are these going to be Army-standard?


I wrote that on MP.net. A large order of DD FSP RIS II rails was made for Army SF, I doubt big Army has money to throw around on rails at the moment.

If you look closely at the bottom of the center blast baffle hole, there is a chunk of metal missing. This piece ended up punching out of the front end of the can. That is how you can tell your can has been shot out, otherwise keep on trucking.

I'll check Tuesday but I am almost 100% sure that none of our guns have o-rings for the extractor spring.

ihcnehc, I started using a Magpul VFG to reach under the handguard with my thumb and hit the light push button. Not ideal since I dislike vertical grips but its still better than tape switches. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks, looking forward to your response. Just curious, what sort of range can you see your LA-5? My VIS model is about worthless after 7 yards, but reaches past 300 at night.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 6:31:25 PM EST
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The last photo of the New / Unused can looks like it has been shot some, it doesn't look brand NEW.
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Factory test fired maybe?
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 7:10:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg

What's the manufacture date on those 231s? Examples made after 3/07 should work fine. At least the ones we had did after L3-Eotech upgraded the battery connection mechanisms at that time.

A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg

Affirm...many shooters don't understand how to properly utilize a RDS even w/out a laser mounted. It's been stated here throughout the board many times.


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Originally Posted By Tmender03:

Factory test fired maybe?
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Originally Posted By Lawdog-1:
The last photo of the New / Unused can looks like it has been shot some, it doesn't look brand NEW.

Factory test fired maybe?


Every Surefire can we've received has been clean, but obviously test fired. They probably fire one to 3 rounds max to test it out.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 8:14:36 PM EST
Pic request:

Block 2 wearing an XPS3 Eotech.

Bonus: CQBR wearing XPS3.

I'm going to wait on the Elcan until I get rich and famous. Until then, I want to see how these rifles look with the XPS.

Do operators use ACOG's on Block II's in the wild? I think I've seen a few. May go that route.
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"Lights Out Goat Fucker."

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Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
Pic request:

Block 2 wearing an XPS3 Eotech.

Bonus: CQBR wearing XPS3.

I'm going to wait on the Elcan until I get rich and famous. Until then, I want to see how these rifles look with the XPS.

Do operators use ACOG's on Block II's in the wild? I think I've seen a few. May go that route.  
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Yes.
Link Posted: 5/25/2014 9:09:55 PM EST
I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32
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I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32
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On sale for a short time here.
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Edit.
Deemed not worthy.
My bad guys
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On sale for a short time here.
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Originally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32


On sale for a short time here.


That's not exactly what I would call a sale...
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I know it's supposed to be 14.5 but I wanted 16.http://i.imgur.com/FX6gGVs.jpg
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Completely wrong rail, too. There is nothing Block II about your rifle. Stand-by to get shit from the clone police.
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:


That's not exactly what I would call a sale...
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32


On sale for a short time here.


That's not exactly what I would call a sale...

Yeah. Rainier Arms' "sales" prices are basically what other solid dealers offer the same products at regularly any day of the week.

And Rainier Arms regularly any day of the week is where you go to pay MSRP for everything.

Solid people, but they must think it's still early 2013 over there. They must have missed the memo that it's long been a buyer's market in this industry.

Primary Arms was selling the same ACOGs for several hundred less weeks ago for instance.

And shit, I just purchased a VCOG from DSG three nights ago for much cheaper than Rainier's ACOG "sales" prices.
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Yeah. Rainier Arms' "sales" prices are basically what other solid dealers offer the same products at regularly any day of the week.

And Rainier Arms regularly any day of the week is where you go to pay MSRP for everything.

Solid people, but they must think it's still early 2013 over there. They must have missed the memo that it's long been a buyer's market in this industry.

Primary Arms was selling the same ACOGs for several hundred less weeks ago for instance.

And shit, I just purchased a VCOG from DSG three nights ago for much cheaper than Rainier's ACOG "sales" prices.
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Originally Posted By theARlife:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32


On sale for a short time here.


That's not exactly what I would call a sale...

Yeah. Rainier Arms' "sales" prices are basically what other solid dealers offer the same products at regularly any day of the week.

And Rainier Arms regularly any day of the week is where you go to pay MSRP for everything.

Solid people, but they must think it's still early 2013 over there. They must have missed the memo that it's long been a buyer's market in this industry.

Primary Arms was selling the same ACOGs for several hundred less weeks ago for instance.

And shit, I just purchased a VCOG from DSG three nights ago for much cheaper than Rainier's ACOG "sales" prices.


I thought all you guys were in the mil????  Am I wrong? That's why I posted it up. Rainier has some of the best LEO & MIL discount prices out there if you are registered as such with their site. You just have to be logged in to the see the prices.
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Originally Posted By theARlife:

Yeah. Rainier Arms' "sales" prices are basically what other solid dealers offer the same products at regularly any day of the week.

And Rainier Arms regularly any day of the week is where you go to pay MSRP for everything.

Solid people, but they must think it's still early 2013 over there. They must have missed the memo that it's long been a buyer's market in this industry.

Primary Arms was selling the same ACOGs for several hundred less weeks ago for instance.

And shit, I just purchased a VCOG from DSG three nights ago for much cheaper than Rainier's ACOG "sales" prices.
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Originally Posted By theARlife:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By Dysfunction:
I kinda really like the ACOG on the Block II

I may be adding to my stable of ACOG's. I have a ton of them but I still don't have a 4x32


On sale for a short time here.


That's not exactly what I would call a sale...

Yeah. Rainier Arms' "sales" prices are basically what other solid dealers offer the same products at regularly any day of the week.

And Rainier Arms regularly any day of the week is where you go to pay MSRP for everything.

Solid people, but they must think it's still early 2013 over there. They must have missed the memo that it's long been a buyer's market in this industry.

Primary Arms was selling the same ACOGs for several hundred less weeks ago for instance.

And shit, I just purchased a VCOG from DSG three nights ago for much cheaper than Rainier's ACOG "sales" prices.


I think Rainier is trying to focus more on being a distributor than a dealer to the public. They have developed and are developing a lot of their own products that are getting popular. It makes more sense for them to sell 100 units per day to dealers at 80% of the normal price than 10 units at normal price to people buying from their website.

I just got a dealer account with Rainier and I'm glad I did. I can see them becoming an important supplier for me.
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Originally Posted By fridge72:
I know it's supposed to be 14.5 but I wanted 16.http://i.imgur.com/FX6gGVs.jpg
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Wrong rail, wrong barrel. Wrong a lot of things.

It looks the part, but it isn't.
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Wrong rail, wrong barrel. Wrong a lot of things.

It looks the part, but it isn't.
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Originally Posted By fridge72:
I know it's supposed to be 14.5 but I wanted 16.http://i.imgur.com/FX6gGVs.jpg


Wrong rail, wrong barrel. Wrong a lot of things.

It looks the part, but it isn't.


You could almost say the rail is the most important part that distinguishes a block ii from other rifles.
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg

SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg

A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg

Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.


Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".

Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.

~7-8,000 rounds:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg

New unused can:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg

Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.

In case anyone is wondering, QR codes and serials covered up to protect the innocent.











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Dang... Now I want a FSP
Link Posted: 5/26/2014 4:39:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JShepard:
Some recent observations.

Original SU-231 EOTechs continue to suck. Here's my shelf of broken ones. Again, don't waste personal funds on these when EXPS series are out and available.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp3_zps828af886.jpg

SU-231As finally started showing up. None mounted yet.

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/SU231As_zps0edfef92.jpg

A few pages ago someone complained that a fixed FSP obscures one's field of view. Personally I don't find this to be the case, especially not on a work gun sporting a laser. Even if I was focusing on the FSP while shooting (which I'm not), an LA5 already covers up most of it with only the ears and the actual sight blade being visible. Here's what I am talking about:

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp1_zpseb9de38b.jpg

http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/fsp2_zpse0a6cf4e.jpg

Having shot both side by side multiple times, I don't notice a difference between a 14.5" FSP upper and one with a folding BUIS while actually shooting. I started running the lasers all the way forward on both, with my folding BUIS in the same location you'd normally find the FSP in. This way I keep both the sight radius and light/laser manipulation the same.


Also, RIS II FSP rails are finally here and being installed by the unit armorers. Pictures to follow later when the guns are done. And last but not least, we received Geissele SSF triggers for each M4A1 in the unit. No its not a rumor, I thought the same but I've actually looked at some that have already been retrofitted and they're definitely SSFs. So there you go clone army, go nuts with Geissele SSA/SSF triggers and you'll be "clone correct".

Now on a different subject, Surefire flash hiders. Here is a picture of the blast baffle inside a 5.56-RC can that has had close to 10,000 rounds fired through it. Notice the deep wear marks and missing piece of metal (it actually caused a can failure by punching a hole through the front of it). I had no idea this was happening inside the can until I peeked in there with a white light.

~7-8,000 rounds:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Canwear_zps0b47e0f7.jpg

New unused can:
http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y322/_MacGyver-/Cannew_zps7356182f.jpg

Needless to say I've already swapped out my 3-prong flash hiders for SF muzzle brakes on all my personal rifles. My 5.56-RC Mini just cleared, and I have no intention of burning it up in under 10k rounds. So to those of you who have Surefire cans and actually shoot them, you might want to consider swapping to muzzle brakes to protect your cans. When my work can blows up its as easy as grabbing a new one off the shelf, but not so when its a personally owned NFA item.

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Dang... Now I want a FSP
Link Posted: 5/26/2014 10:13:02 PM EST
Does anyone have any pictures of a RIS II FSP with an Elcan? I'm really thinking about getting a FSP..
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Does anyone have any pictures of a RIS II FSP with an Elcan? I'm really thinking about getting a FSP..
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This pic belongs to Coctailer, but I bought the FSP upper from him based solely on how it looked with an Elcan.







 
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
This pic belongs to Coctailer, but I bought the FSP upper from him based solely on how it looked with an Elcan.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x115/coctailer/null-63.jpg
 
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Does anyone have any pictures of a RIS II FSP with an Elcan? I'm really thinking about getting a FSP..
This pic belongs to Coctailer, but I bought the FSP upper from him based solely on how it looked with an Elcan.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x115/coctailer/null-63.jpg
 

Thanks!
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I may have to agree with you on that :)

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Looks like I'm getting a TA31 for the B2
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You can get the Colt parts on Gunbroker or the EE. Approx. $250 for the barrel, $175 for the upper and $190 for the BCG. BCM will be similarly priced. And as was mentioned, SA is highway robbery.
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Originally Posted By M113A3:
Originally Posted By kaneljo3000:

BCM has a good rep, but it all depends on how "clone correct" you want to be. You can get the Colt equivalents for close to the same price, a little more perhaps.


Thanks for the reply - I have considered Colt but the prices seems to be high for what I found i.e. $200 for the upper @ SA.  My reason fro going BCM at this parts would be because the barrel comes from them and it is a one stop shop for the parts I listed. Vendor suggestion would be great

Cheers



You can get the Colt parts on Gunbroker or the EE. Approx. $250 for the barrel, $175 for the upper and $190 for the BCG. BCM will be similarly priced. And as was mentioned, SA is highway robbery.


Thanks - ended up going BCM for the barrel, BCG, upper.  Three more parts off the checklist! Next up muzzle devices... that is something maybe EE can help with but I really have not decided on the KAC or Surefire. Being in CA I will not have a suppressor so availability will likely be key.

Cheers
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Thanks - ended up going BCM for the barrel, BCG, upper.  Three more parts off the checklist! Next up muzzle devices... that is something maybe EE can help with but I really have not decided on the KAC or Surefire. Being in CA I will not have a suppressor so availability will likely be key.

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Originally Posted By kaneljo3000:
Originally Posted By M113A3:
Originally Posted By kaneljo3000:

BCM has a good rep, but it all depends on how "clone correct" you want to be. You can get the Colt equivalents for close to the same price, a little more perhaps.


Thanks for the reply - I have considered Colt but the prices seems to be high for what I found i.e. $200 for the upper @ SA.  My reason fro going BCM at this parts would be because the barrel comes from them and it is a one stop shop for the parts I listed. Vendor suggestion would be great

Cheers



You can get the Colt parts on Gunbroker or the EE. Approx. $250 for the barrel, $175 for the upper and $190 for the BCG. BCM will be similarly priced. And as was mentioned, SA is highway robbery.


Thanks - ended up going BCM for the barrel, BCG, upper.  Three more parts off the checklist! Next up muzzle devices... that is something maybe EE can help with but I really have not decided on the KAC or Surefire. Being in CA I will not have a suppressor so availability will likely be key.

Cheers

Don't know if it helps any, but Surefire sent me a promo email the other day saying that Flash Hiders have free shipping. Might be worth checking out.
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