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Posted: 9/6/2003 2:27:15 AM EST
Intended application for the rifle includes CQB as well as outdoor use out to ranges of 250 to 300 yards in urban as well as rural settings.

If you had an M-4 (or similar 16" barrel carbine), how would you set it up? Which brand and model would you choose from the following categories and why?

Iron sights?
Optics and mounts?
Light and mount?

Feel free to add additional items and yes, cost is an issue.

Link Posted: 9/6/2003 2:53:18 AM EST
My set up: Preban Bushmaster w/old style CAR stock (I like the way they look better) KAC RAS KAC Vert grip Aimpoint Comp M (upgrading to M2 eventually) KAC offest Aimpoint mount. KAC 600m BUIS ZM weapons singlepoint bungee sling DPMS reciever plate (the one with the small hole at the bottom that acceps a hook, not the one that accepts the sling threaded through..because of the...) Badger Tac latch For lighting I have the KAC 1 inch light mount that I will be putting a 6p in when I get around to getting it, and right now I'm running a post ban upper (full 16 inch with a FFH pressed over the end) until I get the funds up for a new upper. A mess of loaded mags, some high speed gear and something to shoot at and I'm all set.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 6:50:00 AM EST
If I cold have my choice, I would have TA31 on ARMS #19S, and a Arms #40 BUIS. Maybee some sort of surefire light, but I dont realy like lights, and I dont have much use for them(although I do realize they can be very useful in some situations, and do a great job for what they are made for). Its not much stuff, but all I would realy want.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 6:55:49 AM EST
Full A2 buttstock, 20" barrel!!!! LOL!
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 7:49:56 AM EST
Ultimate? OK... Preban full spec lower (pushpin, magfence, no sear block, milspec pins etc) Flattop 14.5" 1/7 twist M4 milspec barrel with M4 feed ramps. Either a milspec M16 carrier with Wolf extractor spring or LMT improved bolt and carrier. Magpul M93 stock with Colt M4 buffer, single point snap ring attachment, strike plate and side rail. Accuracy Speaks 1 stage trigger or KAC 2 stage trigger. KAC FF RAS PRI front sight / ARMS 40 rear sight Trijicon TA11C in an ARMS 19S Tritium irons in the above sights (Trijicon/Ashley/etc) Surefire M900A with blue filter so you dont get reticle wash out - The rail it replaces will be on your side rail on your stock to go back to a normal grip if you want / need it. PEQ-2 IR pointer/illuminator PRI Gas Buster charging handle Replacement pistol grip of choice. Gemtech or KAC flash hider and the suppressor that mounts to that flash hider. (Gemtech for low cost and legal length on a semi auto, but KAC for a full auto) You will need a head mounted PVS-14D of course. USGI Teflon mags loaded with 77 Grain Black Hills NATO pressure ammo. This gives you a violent fragmentation range of 150 yards and somewhat less fragmentation to 200 yards. Your reticle will match the ammo all the way out to beyond 500 yards which is the furthest you can even make an accurate shot with that barrel. Its 16" in overall barrel length with the Gemtech Bilock so there is no SBR to pay yet its as short as you can get it for CQB work. The TA11 works day or night in all conditions either CQB or long range. You can go with full night vision / suppressed and lower the irons to get the glowing/blooming tritium inserts out of the fieled of view of your PVS14 yet you have day/night iron capability. You can go with or without the front grip/light at the drop of a hat and have both the smallest and most accurate rifle you can get in one package. This is the best Day/Night, CQB/Long Range Precision, Indoor/Outdoor, combo you can put together at the moment. In the future KAC will have a new front sight to consider, the URX2 forearm, a new bolt/carrier/barrel extension and a new flashider/compensator/brake that takes a suppressor to consider. There will be a new magnified optic for the SOPMOD bloc2 upgrade to consider and if you wanted a magnified NV scope there is the PVS-17 or Raptor 4X to consider as a quick swap optic with your day scope for dedicated, outdoor, long range, night time use. Pneumatic buffers will also be developed and need to be tested and considered. There that is the Ultimate semi auto M4... Cost? $15-20K depnding on the price you find a PEQ2 and PVS14 at and whether you get the PVS17/Raptor 4X or not.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 7:58:39 AM EST
Ultimate on a budget? Post ban RRA 16" M4 upper with pressed on fake flash hider ARMS 40 rear Tritium inserts for irons Aimpoint ML2 with cantilevered ARMS mount A1 Cavarms Stock Wilson front sight tower light mount with a Surefire G2 and high output lamp Refinished USGI mags Winchester Q3131A ammo The light will be cheap and thumb activated. The optic and irons are day/night capable and you have a fragmeting range of 150 yards (though less dramatic than the 77 grain ammo) with accuracy out to 200 yards and only slight hold over at 300 yards. Cost? approx $1400-1600
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 8:34:03 AM EST
Factory colt current L.E. 'M-4' A-3 with carry handle. You get a 'real' upper of real quality and sights, optics option, feed ramps, best handguards, 7 twist for current quality bullet designs. Of course if you need a 9 twist or post ban config., s.a. can build one that way too. All colt. Short of that, call pete, get his expertise and his approved parts. Simple. imho, of course.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 9:20:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By DevL: Accuracy Speaks 1 stage trigger or KAC 2 stage trigger.
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Hah! So you DID like my AS trigger!
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 9:52:51 AM EST
My M4 has: Colt M4 A3 CQB transition sling vertical forgrip surefire at 3 o'clock tritanium sight-iron tactical charge handle This is what I like, The only thing I would like to add is and aimpoint.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 10:20:05 AM EST
IMHO, there are two answers to your question. One is the loaded up version that has a bit of everything, is expensive, and that most people keep as a safe & range queen. The other is a basic no frills/ light weight M4, that is used for eveything, and makes us remember why we like the basics sometimes. I own one of each, I like them both.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 12:02:19 PM EST
Mine goes like this: Preban Eagle Lower - standard pivot and fire control pins Colt LE 6920 1/7 upper Aimpoint M2 in GG&G Cantilever mount Cut carry handle BUIS Surefire M500A w/ white LED's GG&G Single point sling plate w/ CQB HSTS Vltor carbine stock full of batteries [;)] I consider this my primary 'do all' carbine. Now as far as rifles go....
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 1:06:39 PM EST
Keep it simple I have a preban bushy 14.5 HBAR with permanent phantom,fat M4 hand gaurds with a seperate bottom rail so I can attach a fore grip,the new waffle type 4 pos telestock with H buffer,its an A2 upper,and I have an aimpoint wich I would depend on for night shooting,Learn how to use the iron sights first they will be your best friend,Peole will say get an M4 or light weight barrel,but with all the stuff people put on my rifle is still lighter than most even with the aimpoint and I dont get barrel whip,so the HBAR is more reliable for sustained rapid fire,Im also in good shape so the extra pound is not noticeable.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 1:09:44 PM EST
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=24926&iGalleryUnq=235&iImageUnq=12665[/img] Nothing left that I want to do to this gun.
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 1:31:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By brouhaha:
Originally Posted By DevL: Accuracy Speaks 1 stage trigger or KAC 2 stage trigger.
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Hah! So you DID like my AS trigger!
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I actually thought long and hard about selling my KAC 2 stage and getting the AS single stage after trying your trigger. Its very sweet! I still dont like that Compact ACOG as much as a full size one though. [;)]
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 1:36:08 PM EST
My Future M4: - Pre-Ban flattop - BUIS or cut carry handle - Suppressor Thats it
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 2:07:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/6/2003 2:09:22 PM EST by M4Madness]
My soon-to-materialize select-fire M4A1 setup will be: Transferable M16 lower receiver A3 upper receiver Bushmaster 14.5" M4 barrel with full front sight ARMS SIR 45M Buttstock will either be Magpul or Vltor ARMS #40 BUIS and .040" taller front sight post ARMS #22M68 Aimpoint ML2 optic SureFire M900A KAC sound suppressor for full-auto compatability Should be in the above configuration around the first of the year. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/6/2003 2:43:54 PM EST
My setup is as follows: Pre-Ban Bushy Lower (all black, not purple) Bushy 14.5 1/7 M4 upper with a GEMTECH Bi-Lock F.H. perm. mounted Aimpoint Optic ARMS SIR "c" SureFire 6p w/2 1" rings as a mount Knights vertical foregrip VLTOR Stock GEMTECH M4-96D Suppressor All Wrapped up in a custom cut Pelican Case. I Love this setup, I think it is very cool.
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