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Posted: 10/24/2013 1:09:14 PM EST
Budget is a factor, but any one fits the budget.

Colt LE****-M4 Carbine (Chrome lined barrel, 1:7 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $1118.00
Smith & Wesson M&P15 (Chrome lined barrel, 1:8 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $899.00
Palmetto PA15 (Chrome lined barrel, FN barrel, 1:7 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $771.00


It is my first AR. Just looking for opinions on these 3.

Thanks for all your help guys
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:23:41 PM EST
get the PSA and buy ammo
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:24:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 1:25:44 PM EST by Brutus2]
Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
Budget is a factor, but any one fits the budget.

Colt LE****-M4 Carbine (Chrome lined barrel, 1:7 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $1118.00
Smith & Wesson M&P15 (Chrome lined barrel, 1:8 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $899.00
Palmetto PA15 (Chrome lined barrel, FN barrel, 1:7 twist, basic sights, dust cover, forward assist) - $771.00


It is my first AR. Just looking for opinions on these 3.

Thanks for all your help guys
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Pick one, you cant go wrong. Just be warned that with P.S.A you run a higher risk of getting a messed up or very slow delivery....but if they get everything right, it is the best bang -for-buck
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:26:26 PM EST
Buy the PSA, ammo and/or mags.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:30:27 PM EST
I forgot to put that these 3 AR15's are all at 3 different local stores.

I've never heard much about Palmetto
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:32:43 PM EST
get a psa but with a cold hammer forged barrel
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:49:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 1:50:31 PM EST by durabo]
I'd chose the smith between the 3 listed and choose to build my own out of all options in that price range.

Also barrel profile would be a factor for me. Prefer LW profile and anything with a M4 or Gov profile is an instant no go. Mid length gas system would be my choice as well.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:53:19 PM EST
What's wrong with an M4?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:55:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
What's wrong with an M4?
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Nothing, but it costs more.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:57:46 PM EST
Ok, just wondering, since the poster above said an M4 is a no go for him
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:59:48 PM EST
PSA by a long shot. I'd probably buy it over the Colt even if they were the same price.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:00:27 PM EST
None of those.


http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/rifle-kits/16-m4-cmv-chrome-lined-premium-rifle-kit.html

Buy this kit, and a lower of your choosing. Then with the extra money saved buy mags, sling, and ammo.


Your welcome

Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:07:41 PM EST
I would go with the Colt. I don't think its a superior rifle, but the resale is better. For some reason, Colt has a following and they will pay for the name.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:10:17 PM EST
Which M&P 15 model? It matters in making a selection from your choices.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:21:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
Ok, just wondering, since the poster above said an M4 is a no go for him
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He said "M4 or Gov Profile barrel". It's a preference and some are not fans of the barrel and would prefer CHF or light profile.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:30:30 PM EST
I can't remember which model M&P. It wasn't a sport, as it has a dust cover and forward assist, but it wasn't much over the sport.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:31:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
Ok, just wondering, since the poster above said an M4 is a no go for him
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The M4 profile is pointless unless you are hooking a grenade launcher on there, gov as well.

They are both LW profile under the Handguards and heavier near the end of the muzzle, this distribution of weight makes NO sense functionally in a rifle, it's backwards, you would rather have the thicker profile near the chamber to act as a heat sink or a LW profile the whole way to make it easier to balance.

It's easy to put extra weight on an AR, not so easy to trim the fat. I prefer to have my rifles balanced and I don't want to have that extra half lb of metal out the hanging on the end of my rifle if I don't need it.

Another good option (assuming you are running it like a machine gun for whatever reason) is a recon or socom type profile which is tapered to provide the heavy barrel on the chamber end and the LW profile at the muzzle.

Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:35:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2013 2:40:44 PM EST by hotbiggun42]
If they are all within your budget get the Colt. That is a no brainer. The problem I have with PSA is you never know what you are buying they sell so many different grades of parts and pieces.

I would however buy a M&P 15A if the price was right. But I think they sell for more than $900 but I could be wrong.

Nothing wrong with a M4 its just a barrel profile.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:39:49 PM EST
PSA.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:43:59 PM EST
I've seen a couple of reviews on youtube, and they compare the PSA to a Colt
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:50:07 PM EST
PSA and buy ammo and mags.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:56:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
I've seen a couple of reviews on youtube, and they compare the PSA to a Colt
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youtube huh?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:57:43 PM EST
I like the video reviews.

But, if you'll notice, I'm on here too looking for advice
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:00:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
I like the video reviews.

But, if you'll notice, I'm on here too looking for advice
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Like I said the problem with PSA is you never know what you are buying. We all know the specs on Colt and SW but who knows about PSA they use so many different grade of parts you never know what you are buying. And it's telling that so many here would suggest PSA without knowing the details of the build.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:12:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
I forgot to put that these 3 AR15's are all at 3 different local stores.

I've never heard much about Palmetto
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If the PSA is at a local shop and had the FN barrel that would be my choice, if new. That way if there's a issue they can handle it for you.

I had a PSA off the rack like that and it was as good as my Colt 6920, only reason I sold it was I made money on it during the panic. I still have a PSA build with the CHF barrel and its as nice as either of my colts ( I used the profit from the PSA to fund a 2nd 6920 over the summer )

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Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:14:54 PM EST
I also just bought my first AR 3 weeks ago. I went with the Colt LE6920 because of their reputation. I have only put about 60 rounds through it so far, but I already know it is going to be a great gun.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:22:53 PM EST
Colt !!!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:53:11 PM EST
None of the above.

Get a lower and get to assembling

Or pick 3 new ones from our vendors here and let me judge

Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:56:49 PM EST
Colt
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 3:57:17 PM EST
I would like to build one in 2014, but I want a complete rifle first
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:00:27 PM EST
I've always been a handgun guy. Sold off my junk, starting over with better quality. I don't want safe queens, but I want quality firearms.

My 13 year old daughter and I shoot twice a month.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:01:29 PM EST
Out of those 3 get the colt.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:04:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uniquesnd:
get the PSA and buy ammo
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Nailed it. If you were to have only one AR, buy the Colt.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:04:24 PM EST
I own 2 out of the three you mentioned . get the colt
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:34:46 PM EST
Is the Colt a $300 better rifle? If so, why?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:40:28 PM EST
The reason I asked if Colt was $300 better was because below is the PSA spec's

Details


Finally a complete rifle ready to go for one low price. Our M4 Carbine starts with one of our Premium chrome-lined Mil-spec steel barrels in the versatile M4 profile, mated to our forged aluminum upper, and finished off with a standard carbine hand guard, Pinned f-marked front sight post and A2 Flash hider. The forged lower is built with our 6 position Mil-spec size buffer tube and stock, Standard PSA lower parts kit with A2 pistol grip and aluminum trigger guard. The rifle is topped off with a Magpul rear back up sight. It comes with one 30 Round D&H Magazine (where allowed by law) so all you have to provide is the ammo to start having fun.

Barrel: 16" chrome-lined mil-spec chrome moly vanadium barrel, chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a carbine gas system. M4 style profile is phosphate coated to mil-specs, and is High Pressure tested, and Magnetic Particle inspected, to ensure quality and dependability. Barrel is finished off with a standard carbine hand guard, pinned f-marked front sight post, rear Magpul Back Up Sight, and A2 flash hider.

Upper: Forged 7075-T6 A3 AR upper is made to MIL-SPECS and hard coat anodized black for durability. Featuring machined T marks, and a mil-spec finish. These uppers are made for us right here in the USA by a mil-spec manufacturer, and are marked with the Palmetto State Armory logo on the left side, up front, just below the rail.

Bolt: Bolt is made of Mil-spec Carpenter 158 steel, Shot peened, and MPI. Gas key is secured with grade 8 fasteners and staked per mil-spec. Bolt carrier is parkerized outside, chrome lined inside.

Lower: These forged lowers are quality made using 7075-T6 aluminum and are marked "MULTI" for caliber. Finish is Black Hardcoat Anodize per MIL-8625 Type 3 class 2. Mil-spec sized buffer tube is forged of 7075 aluminum, is dry film lube coated on the inside, has 6 adjustment positions, is finished with an M4 stock and has a staked castle nut. Standard carbine buffer is Black anodized and has the PSA logo on the face. The standard PSA combat trigger has a smooth pull and clean break.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 4:59:55 PM EST
between those 3, id take the S&W. It has the most accuracy potential of the 3 and generaly the best fit and finish. I had one and at ate every kind of ammo I could find, even mixed in the same mag, right out of the box. :)
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 5:20:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lowonair:
Out of those 3 get the colt.
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This. ^^^

You're not going to be buying junk with any of the 3, but a Colt will absolutely hold its value better. You're not talking the high end of the AR world with any of'em, so why not select a company that's been making AR's to a high standard for a loooong time, has supplied our military mil spec weapons for decades, whose an actual OEM of the weapons they sell and has a pretty damn illustrious history in the annals of American firearms. Yes, it's worth the extra $300 IMO.

You're over thinking this.....really. Get the Colt and be done with it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 5:29:14 PM EST
I had the same problem until a few days ago. I ended up going with colt myself.
The other option I was looking at was a complete LMT lower from Rainier Arms & a 16" LW middy upper from BCM.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 5:52:19 PM EST
Get the PSA. I bought a complete upper for a build and have no complaints.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 6:04:30 PM EST
I'm gonna make an offer of $671 for the PSA (they are asking $771) tomorrow, and see what they say. I can't make it to the shop that carries Colt until Saturday. We'll wee what happens.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 8:16:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
I'm gonna make an offer of $671 for the PSA (they are asking $771) tomorrow, and see what they say. I can't make it to the shop that carries Colt until Saturday. We'll wee what happens.
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Is the PSA new or used? If new I doubt you get them to lower the price that much. Used, try 700, I doubt they're going to knock $100 bucks off....even though the panic is over their asking price ain't that far off what I've seen them go for this summer

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Link Posted: 10/24/2013 9:20:29 PM EST
I'd get the S&W. First AR I ever owned was a M&P. 2500 rounds and not a single problem. But if you're into name brand recognition and potential resell value, get the Colt.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 10:13:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By durabo:
I'd chose the smith between the 3 listed ...

Also barrel profile would be a factor for me. Prefer LW profile and anything with a M4 or Gov profile is an instant no go. Mid length gas system would be my choice as well.
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Yes, Yes, and Yes.

I would suggest you look at the S&W specs again, all the 1/8 ones I've seen came with a melonited, 5R barrel. A big bonus over chrome lined regular rifling to me.

The S&W Magpul Spec Mid has that, a LW barrel, and mid gas. I see them sub $1k in places. I have a Colt I really like (LW barrel too), but S&W Mag Mid vs. 6920 to me is a strong vote for S&W. I also like PSA and have used their parts a lot, but as mentioned, it's variable what you are getting as they use a lot of different parts of different qualities on various guns. Lots of homework to do on that one. Not so with a Colt, S&W, or other makers.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 10:24:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By uniquesnd:
get the PSA and buy ammo
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+1. All the roll mark label whores will cry and moan, but it gets the same job done for less.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 3:21:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By katrina24:
Colt !!!!!!!
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+1

No contest. Buy once, cry once.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 3:25:25 AM EST
The PSA is new. If I can get them to come down on price (I'm paying cash) it would be a no brainer
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 3:29:59 AM EST
I'm saying this as a HUGE PSA fan...get the colt. Start out with the industry standard. You won't regret it.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:58:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ARJaxon:
The PSA is new. If I can get them to come down on price (I'm paying cash) it would be a no brainer
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Good luck then, I would expect they'd take $50.00 off since you paying cash....let us know. It's still a good deal at that price (I paid $735 plus tax for my storebought PSA this time last year)
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 9:04:19 AM EST
OP, check out Daniel Defense you can get an awesome DDM4 V7LW for about $1300. Much better quality then all you listed above. DD is top notch stuff. The DDM4 V7LW was my first AR and it is amazing
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 9:35:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Carry-On:
OP, check out Daniel Defense you can get an awesome DDM4 V7LW for about $1300. Much better quality then all you listed above. DD is top notch stuff. The DDM4 V7LW was my first AR and it is amazing
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Primary Arms had them for $1115 yesterday. Their sale is still going on, but not sure if they're still in stock.
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