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[b]Again, I ask you where is your information source indicating more than two (2) AR-180B lower receivers failed ??[/b]
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[b]You show me the post where I specified a number of actual critical failures or said that it was more than or less than any specific number.[/b]
[b]You can't, so henceforth, do be a bit more honest in your accusations.[/b]
What I said in my post was correct.
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[b]I was interested in the new ones, so I did some reading here here on the AR10 & AR180 forum and there seems to be a bit of a problem with some of the new polymer lowers breaking at the forward pivot pin holes - sometimes after just a few shots from a new rifle.
Armalite says they did a recall on 90 guns.
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BTW: The source that I PREVIOUSLY QUOTED was right here at AR15.com
[URL]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=62&t=160408[/URL]
There were at least two [b]reported[/b] critical failures that we know about and Armalite says they recalled [b]90 (NINETY)[/b] AR-180B's. That means that there was a real problem with [b]AT LEAST 90 (NINETY) RIFLES[/b].
Recalls are expensive and if there wasn't a real concern about a real problem they wouldn't have recalled those weapons, now would they? No they wouldn't have.
[b]It's obvious what I said so why are you trying to put words in my mouth? Did I dare commit the sin of pissing on your pet toy?[/b]
The AR-180B is basically a range toy, especially at this stage of it's development.
It's also got problems with some mags, like shaving off metal from the tops of the feed lips.
Now, Armalite says that's because the original AR-180 used a 'different' mag and they dismiss it alluding to USA mags and the such, hence blowing it off.
That's pretty much shoe shuffling BS. The original AR-180 used a different [b]lockup[/b] on a mag that was VERY similar to an M16 mag, if not damn near identical. Matter of fact, FedOrd back in the 80's used to make AR-15 mags that also had a slot in the opposite side for lockup in an AR-180.
This tells me that they may have put the mag lockup a bit high in the new magwell of the AR-180B and the tolerances are a bit too tight.
[b]The AR-180B is an interesting range toy that still probably needs some debugging, but it's still just a range toy and it's NOT in the same class as an AR-15 or even the original AR-180.[/b]
And it isn't worth $700.....
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