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Posted: 9/5/2005 7:09:36 AM EDT
Purchased a few days before I left for Army basic training in 1985, this Soldier of Fortune magazine has survived 20+ years stashed away in a box of childhood things. What’s really neat and interesting to read, is the article and range report on the Army's, then, soon to be issued M16A2!

Thought you guys might like a few pics. Hope they work out, enjoy!











A look at the Army's idea for the M16A3.






Some of the new rifles features.





Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:13:53 AM EDT
Thats kick ass!!! Thanks Quib...
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:30:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:46:34 AM EDT
Thanks QUIB.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:50:51 AM EDT
No problem!
Sorry about the size of the text. Photobucket lowers the image size automatically so some of the print is hard to read.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:54:22 AM EDT
My, how time flies!

after 20 years, the M16 hasn't changed that much, which is a testament to its design


Thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:22:51 AM EDT
good stuf !!!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:26:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:
My, how time flies!
after 20 years, the M16 hasn't changed that much, which is a testament to its design
Thanks for sharing!




That’s what I thought as I read the article. Some items that stand out are:

They refer to the replacement of the FH lock washer with the peel washer, mentioning that the peal washer provides for adjusting the FH timing to suit LH’ed or RH’ed shooters. This is the first I’ve heard of this.

The first 2,000 M16A2’s were delivered to the military with the older style ejection port cover.

The FA was never removed by Colt on the A2 simply because it was never requested.

The optic used in the article is a Steiner 4x24 NATO scope mounted on a ARMS Swan mount! I never knew the ARMS company went back that far.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:15:39 AM EDT
Man i love looking a that shit - thanks
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:18:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:
They refer to the replacement of the FH lock washer with the peel washer, mentioning that the peal washer provides for adjusting the FH timing to suit LH’ed or RH’ed shooters. This is the first I’ve heard of this.




I remember reading in either the -10 or -23P that an armorer could adjust the comp for left or right hand shooters. Although I never never seen it happen.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:19:23 AM EDT
January of 1985, huh?

That was only a year and 4 months before I was born......

You don't feel old, do you

Man that's pretty cool.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:33:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:
January of 1985, huh?

That was only a year and 4 months before I was born......

You don't feel old, do you

Man that's pretty cool.

WIZZO




Na........I was 18 at the time, and according to Frau Quib I'm still 18!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:40:53 AM EDT
that was the same month and year i was born
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:49:51 AM EDT
Neat.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:56:30 AM EDT
what the hell kind of scope is that thing?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:58:44 AM EDT
Jan 85, I had only been in 5th SFG(A) for a month and still only 19 years old! I remember when that issue came out and I may still have it packratted away at my mothers. Still have a A2 above my M4A1 behind me as I type this.



CD
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:06:24 AM EDT
I thought the "A look at the army's idea for the M16A3" was wierd; I'm glad they didn't really look like that!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:15:29 AM EDT
Dang! You guys are youngen's. That was a month after my 25th birthday.

Thanks for the post Quib! I remember that issue. Bought it and read it. But my copy is looonnng gone.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:27:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:27:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Jan 85, I had only been in 5th SFG(A) for a month and still only 19 years old!
CD




Thanks for your service to our country CD.

I’d LOVE to see what pics you have that are allowed to be posted! Sometimes I wish I had went your route in stead of going aviation.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:54:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Jan 85, I had only been in 5th SFG(A) for a month and still only 19 years old!
CD




Thanks for your service to our country CD.

I’d LOVE to see what pics you have that are allowed to be posted! Sometimes I wish I had went your route in stead of going aviation.



I bought my First AR15 in 1976 , and I was over 21yrs. old.

JEBUS , now I feel F***in OLD

Oh Well
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 11:12:45 AM EDT
The kids coming out and posting on here are making me feel old....

I'm (still) too young to feel old !
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 11:54:36 AM EDT
Great stuff. I still love the M16A2. That's what I learned on, and it always just feels right to me. Gotta get one one of these days.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 11:55:44 AM EDT
doesnt that guys hair look awful long for being in the service?
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 12:30:49 PM EDT
I think he was part of the magazine staff testing the rifle for the article, not military.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 12:47:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
doesnt that guys hair look awful long for being in the service?




He's either National Guard(OLD SCHOOL) or a pencil pusher, either way that is way to long.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 12:59:52 PM EDT
Reminds of the 86 ban and depresses me. Cool though.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 1:02:20 PM EDT
now that's cool!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:02:20 PM EDT
Hey looks just like an old AR I used to have...complete with my Steiner OD version and ARMS STANAG
Mount..

Steiner had some seriously thick cross hairs...probably should have kept it though....

Sold to someone on ARFCom as I recall...bout four or five years ago...

-'85 eh...my youngest daughter born back then...
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:23:07 PM EDT
Thats eleven months or so before I was conceived!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:55:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Thats eleven months or so before I was conceived!



Ah, I knew you were a youngster.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 2:58:36 PM EDT
Very Cool.

I was 11 at the time with 6 uncles who were enlisted. I recall one being very excited about the M16A2 while another, who had fought in Korea and Vietnam called anything M16 related "the biggest piece of shit weapon ever made"

Funny how that works
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:11:59 PM EDT
What a blast from the past, I actually remember reading that article! Thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:17:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 4:17:50 PM EDT by jquillen1985]
All okay except for the long stock and the uncomfy pistol grip. Why did they do that?!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:26:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:
All okay except for the long stock and the uncomfy pistol grip. Why did they do that?!



Ask member Coldblue.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:40:46 PM EDT
Great post !


LB
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 4:42:14 PM EDT
I was about 18 at the time!
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 5:15:26 PM EDT
I have that issue. Proposed M-16A3: what naivete!

What it points out to me is the unacceptable stagnation in firearms design.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 6:29:15 PM EDT
I still have that issue of SOF, and looked at it maybe a month ago.
I didn't always agree with Kokalis, but he and I shared an admiration
for that weapon that I feel to this day.

If I had to live with only one AR, it would be my Colt 20" A2.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 6:41:13 PM EDT
"Yeah, but is it lethal?"

Great heading on that article.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 7:28:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 7:30:17 PM EDT by gmtmaster]
I remember TRYING to convince my dad to buy an M16.. At that time in my state you could own TitleII if you were " qualified" ie. govt employee.. My dad was a university prof. so he fit the bill.. Couldnt convince him to spend the 1200 ( inc. the xfer tax).. Later laws changed in our state so anyone is " qualified" I picked up my M16 last month, he damn near had a heart attack when I told him what it cost, and after I reminded him what they were back then.. Just shook his head...

ETA: Buyin 'em new in '85.... Wow.... Where is that time machine...
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:34:37 PM EDT
I just pinned on E-5 rank at Campbell, was an Infantryman in charge of a unit supply room. All my friends got hooked up on supplies. I was still an expert with an M16 that had triangle hand guards and my issue pistol was an M1911A1. I always qual'd expert with every weapon I was issued.

5 months later I met the future ex Mrs. Ryan, ETS out of the Army Jan 86, had a daughter a month later and divorced a year after that.

I had a subscription to SOF in the Army and the mail guy would read them before I got them.


Peter Kokalis is a very nice guy. I have had the pleasure of meeting him several times and talking shop.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 8:41:43 PM EDT
Wow. I had that issue. I remember my young 20 year old ass tooling around NTC in Jan 85 freezing my butt off in the high Mohave Desert during our Bde's 30 day rotation...........
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:23:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Firefoxammo:

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
doesnt that guys hair look awful long for being in the service?


He's either National Guard(OLD SCHOOL) or a pencil pusher, either way that is way to long.



That's a USMC hat and sleeve roll. As prevously posted, guy's just dressing up.

Makes me want to buy an A2.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 9:40:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2005 9:41:49 PM EDT by Darkest2000]
Good times...I was born on that exact month and year too...things sure have changed.

The only thing that gets me is the "thicker barrel at muzzle prevents bending"
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:08:49 PM EDT
very cool, the year I was born also.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:28:38 PM EDT
I was born that summer.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 10:36:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterPX:

Originally Posted By Firefoxammo:

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
doesnt that guys hair look awful long for being in the service?


He's either National Guard(OLD SCHOOL) or a pencil pusher, either way that is way to long.



That's a USMC hat and sleeve roll. As prevously posted, guy's just dressing up.




Wearing the old poplin cammies.
Link Posted: 9/5/2005 11:04:28 PM EDT
great thread!!!
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:12:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 7:12:56 AM EDT by Derek45]
I bought that issue at the PX, I think.

I remember being excited about a new improved M16.

I saved it for many years, but it got ruined in the "Great flood of '93"
My basement flooded, I threw out lots of good gun rags.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 6:32:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 6:34:00 PM EDT by 80sgyrene]

Originally Posted By Sukebe:

Originally Posted By MisterPX:

Originally Posted By Firefoxammo:

Originally Posted By BeckettOfNevada:
doesnt that guys hair look awful long for being in the service?


He's either National Guard(OLD SCHOOL) or a pencil pusher, either way that is way to long.



That's a USMC hat and sleeve roll. As prevously posted, guy's just dressing up.




Wearing the old poplin cammies.



God I loved those poplins(ripstop to the younger, less saltier guys). Most comfortable uniform ever. I was in the Corps at the time, hated the switch over to the A2. Stock was too long, didn't like the handguards(while shooting with the sling), and there was nothing wrong with the A1 sights. I remember laughing at the guy's hair in the photo, and the inferring of him being a Marine.
Edited because I forgot the pos pistol grip.
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