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Posted: 12/31/2003 10:40:21 PM EDT
I'm green to AR's, and I've seen pre=ban collapsible stocks for sale in commercial catalogs with no disclaimers as to whether or not they can be put on a post-ban rifle.  I would like the ability to change the length of pull for summer/winter, girlfriend shooting, etc, but of course I don't want to do anything illegal.  I'm assuming you can't...but we can use pre-ban mags, so I thought, eh maybe.  Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 10:46:27 PM EDT
Unfortunatly no, we cant put collapsoble stocks on our rifles yet.

The ban which differentiates post and pre ban rifles and parts is set to expire in september of this year. After that date you may put all those pre-ban thingies on your rifle.

That is if everything goes smoothly.
To make it even smoother, please write your state representatives telling them you want your rights back. Fight fight fight untill the assault weapons ban is dead. Its not time to celebrate!  
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 5:07:38 AM EDT
K_S is correct, you're SOL until the Crime Bill sunsets
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 7:22:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2004 7:46:00 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By CWPeer:
I'm green to AR's, and I've seen pre=ban collapsible stocks for sale in commercial catalogs with no disclaimers as to whether or not they can be put on a post-ban rifle.  I would like the ability to change the length of pull for summer/winter, girlfriend shooting, etc, but of course I don't want to do anything illegal.  I'm assuming you can't...but we can use pre-ban mags, so I thought, eh maybe.  Thanks.
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If the receiver is a post ban, it cannot be a semiautomatic assault rifle. Here is how the BATF defines "semiautomatic assault rifle":

[red]a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -

(i) a folding or telescopic stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher*[/red]

SOURCE: [red][url]http://www.atf.gov/firearms/legal/semi.htm[/url][/red]

[red]*[/red]In section {v} they are referring to the ability of a rifle grenade to fit over the muzzle and be fired.

So you see you can have only one of the features, two or more makes it illegal if it is a postban.



In addition, it would appear that Virginia has specific laws concerning so-called "assault weapons" that are more restrictive than the federal laws:


[red]Virginia Code § 18.2-308.2:2(G) defines "assault firearms" as:

Any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels a projectile by action of an explosion and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or [is] designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or [is] equipped with a folding stock.

[/red]

SOURCE: [url]http://www.firearmslawcenter.org/content/virginia.asp#assaultweapons[/url]

This would appear to restrict magazine capacity to 20 rounds in Virginia. You may want to research the Virginia state codes to ensure you stay within the realm of the law.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 8:20:13 AM EDT
Thanks guys, I'll definitely be looking into Virginia's laws.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 8:50:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2004 9:21:23 AM EDT by ChrisG19]
"This would appear to restrict magazine capacity to 20 rounds in Virginia. You may want to research the Virginia state codes to ensure you stay within the realm of the law."

This is incorrect.  I would suggest reading the entire code http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.2C2.  All this is, is Virginia's definition of an assault weapon.

There are no magazine or assault weapon restrictions in Virginia.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 9:06:16 AM EDT
The alternatice would be to get a short buttstock and have an adjustable buttplate.  That would allow for adjustability in the stock, but still have it remain legal.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 9:35:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChrisG19:
"This would appear to restrict magazine capacity to 20 rounds in Virginia. You may want to research the Virginia state codes to ensure you stay within the realm of the law."

This is incorrect.  I would suggest reading the entire code http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.2C2.  All this is, is Virginia's definition of an assault weapon.

There are no magazine or assault weapon restrictions in Virginia.
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then I stand corrected.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 2:49:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By knightone:
The alternatice would be to get a short buttstock and have an adjustable buttplate.  That would allow for adjustability in the stock, but still have it remain legal.
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Yeah, I most likely will, but I don't understand the logic that says I can adjust my stock length one way but not another.  If it's a matter of overall length, why doesn't anyone make a M4 style stock that adjusts up to 3-4 inches?  Am I just an idiot or what?
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 3:00:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CWPeer:
Originally Posted By knightone:
The alternatice would be to get a short buttstock and have an adjustable buttplate.  That would allow for adjustability in the stock, but still have it remain legal.
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Yeah, I most likely will, but I don't understand the logic that says I can adjust my stock length one way but not another.  If it's a matter of overall length, why doesn't anyone make a M4 style stock that adjusts up to 3-4 inches?  Am I just an idiot or what?
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With the adjustable buttstock plate, the buttstock is already fixed.  You aren't adding a collapsible or folding stock to the rifle, you are adding an adjustable component to the end of the fixed buttstock.  It's wierd logic, but it is how the regulation has been interpreted.  Go figure.
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