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Posted: 4/30/2012 3:09:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/30/2012 3:09:27 PM EST by Brahmzy]
Anyone have any personal experience with one of THESE?

Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:12:15 PM EST
Looks stupid.  I love folding stocks, but not POS ones that say in bold "Not meant to be fired when folded..."   That right there is stupid.  Yes you can fold it up a little smaller to fit in a smaller gun case, but if you can't shoot it folded (from a vehicle, etc) then why waste the money?  You can buy a SCAR-16, or a Sig 551 and have the best of both worlds.
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:15:24 PM EST
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:27:02 PM EST
I'm a generally picky bastard, but I think it is a good idea. Who the hell walks around firing a rifle folded like some kind of skinny? Not me. Who gives a shit if it can fire folded? Not me. Can this stock make it look less like I am carrying rifle by being able to fit the rifle in a smaller case? Yes.  It looks like it will make my 14.5" fit in the case that I keep the 10.5" in, which is good, or maybe I can fit 2 10.5"s in one case now (there's an idea). Now, how durable is the adapter and will it effect reliability? Those are the questions that need answering here.
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:33:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package

modular? I'm confused.


Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:45:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/30/2012 3:47:26 PM EST by Brahmzy]
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package


Huh? An SBR is where something like this belongs.

And why the hell would you want to fire it folded? Do you live in South Central?

Anyway, I'd like feedback from an actual user as to the build quality of this?
Is it a cast pos that could snap and send a BCG through my chest?
Is it a solid lockup with no looseness/flex when deployed?
Does the weird additional length and carrier extension cause malfs, or induce finicky cycling?
How tight does it tuck up against the upper rec?

I wouldn't mind one of my DI SBRs folding up into an even tinier package.
Problem is this thing would have to really be built well to go on one of my guns, and at only $180, it's probably crap.
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 3:54:59 PM EST
I think what he meant was there are plenty of SBRs that have factory side folding stocks such as the Sig 556, Sig 551, SCAR 16S, Robinson Arms, and others.  You can get them in small barrel configurations that would be for PSD or car based shooting.

Regarding your statement of why would you want to shoot a gun with the stock folded?   Ever try to shoot from a vehicle?  It is almost impossible with the stock hanging out the rear of the rifle.  It puts the gun out too far and limits your mobility.  

The video on their website is retarded.  Nobody would walk around with their stock folded when it disables your rifles ability to shoot.  They were flipping it out to engage the target, then folding it back.  That would never be the case unless you were in very tight spaces and needed all the room you could to climb a ladder in a narrow area, or something like that.   Using a sling, you can shoot with the stock folded almost as accurately as a rifle with a stock.  Just look at all the AR pistols that people use with no issues.  I never said firing form the hip, but shooting with the stock folded gives you much more room when you really need it in tight spaces.  

Nobody will spend $180 to have a stock fold up for storage.  At least no law enforcement or military I know.  

Originally Posted By Brahmzy:
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package


Huh? An SBR is where something like this belongs.

And why the hell would you want to fire it folded? Do you live in South Central?

Anyway, I'd like feedback from an actual user as to the build quality of this?
Is it a cast pos that could snap and send a BCG through my chest?
Is it a solid lockup with no looseness/flex when deployed?
Does the weird additional length and carrier extension cause malfs, or induce finicky cycling?
How tight does it tuck up against the upper rec?

I wouldn't mind one of my DI SBRs folding up into an even tinier package.
Problem is this thing would have to really be built well to go on one of my guns, and at only $180, it's probably crap.


Link Posted: 4/30/2012 4:04:47 PM EST
not sure why I said modular - meant to say compact

Where exactly did I say I wanted to shoot it folded? Anyways are you trying to tell me the ability to fire folded doesn't provide any sort of benefit? As for stowing or carrying it in a case, why not take a second to separate your upper and lower instead of paying $180 to shave give or take 8" off the length?

I'm not trying to play commando here but let's say you're using this thing as shown (a practical application) in the video - carrying it in a patrol like fashion folded. You've now relinquished the ability to fire at an immediate threat without flipping that stock and shouldering the weapon.
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 4:19:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/30/2012 4:20:21 PM EST by Brahmzy]
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
not sure why I said modular - meant to say compact

Where exactly did I say I wanted to shoot it folded? Anyways are you trying to tell me the ability to fire folded doesn't provide any sort of benefit? As for stowing or carrying it in a case, why not take a second to separate your upper and lower instead of paying $180 to shave give or take 8" off the length?

I'm not trying to play commando here but let's say you're using this thing as shown (a practical application) in the video - carrying it in a patrol like fashion folded. You've now relinquished the ability to fire at an immediate threat without flipping that stock and shouldering the weapon.


Agreed - the video wreaks of gheyness and stupidity. And yes, there could be benefits to fire a folded rifle. Although I've never encountered a time where I couldn't shoulder my 10.5 adequately.

Simple storage is what interested me here.  Backpack, duffle etc.
Link Posted: 4/30/2012 5:32:47 PM EST
it appears to have a bolt carrier extension (look at the directions), i think this would interfere with disassembling the upper and lower.
Link Posted: 5/1/2012 2:19:44 AM EST
I got a chance to fondle one of these at a gun show. It seemed robust. The mechanism was clever. If I had the extra dough I would have bought one. Why? I don't know, it just looked different.
Link Posted: 5/1/2012 2:48:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 2:48:09 AM EST by Lancelot]
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Link Posted: 5/1/2012 5:39:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 5:39:48 AM EST by albatrossarmament]
I would have to look at one in person, but if it cant fire when folded its stupid.

I'll stick with my Mk16
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 4:31:58 AM EST
I dont understand the need to fire a rifle with the stock folded like some inbred third worlder.

You say its better to fire from your vehicle, but wouldnt it still be a better idea to shoot the rifle with the stock open to get a cheak weld? I mean who sits there and actually holds a 5.56 rifle like a Uzi and fired from their vehicles? Raise your hands?

As far as a military role, wouldnt it be better to leave your windows up for protection, never heard of anyone shooting through their windows to engage a target in the real world
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 7:54:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 8:46:38 AM EST
Nice. Waiting for review.

Its $179!!!

And it adds 1.3 inches to stock length...which I might like.
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 8:55:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 8:56:16 AM EST by RDTCU]
Originally Posted By ak4784:
Nice. Waiting for review.

Its $179!!!

And it adds 1.3 inches to stock length...which I might like.


Well my usual shooting position when not on a bench is 2 clicks out on carbines.  Could just throw an entry-length ACE skeleton stock on there...

But before too much longer, I'll have a folding AR or two that WILL fire when folded
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 11:28:21 AM EST
Im not interested in shooting with a folded stock, but I am interested in making my SBR even smaller for storage. I currently disassemble the rifle to keep it stored discreetly and this stock adapter would get the rifle into action more quickly. If this is made well and doesn't affect reliability, I'm in.
Link Posted: 5/3/2012 1:23:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/4/2012 2:10:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 2:12:14 PM EST by dan9591]
Here’s my experience with a folding stock AR…

I bought (and just sold) an RRA LAR-PDS. Read all about my adventures with RRA here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/566818_Rock_River_Arms_Piston_Driven_System.html.

I will NEVER buy another RRA product for as long as I live. That being said, the folding stock does have its advantages such as storage. When folded, you can carry it in a reasonable sized duffel bag that doesn’t scream “steal me!”.

I was going to shorten the barrel and install this stock:

http://shop.nordiccomp.com/NC-Compact-Retractable-Butt-Stock-STK-CRS-BRS.htm

It will fit an AR that doesn’t need a buffer tube and WILL fire folded. That is pretty much only 3 AR’s ever made (unless it’s a .22).

The short barrel, combined with an HK-style stock would have been a great CQB AR.

I was going to add a vertical grip to the left rail and a laser somewhere up front. I had visions in my head of a “chainsaw” type rifle.

What I didn’t think of, however, are some of the less-obvious problems. The battery release is impossible to reach with the left hand. You will need a BAD lever. Same with the safety. You can’t have an ambi-mag release. Basically, you need to move everything from the left to the right..

Plus, you look like an a-hole shooting it with the stock folded. About the only person that could pull it off and look cool would be Chuck Norris. And I, sir, am no Chuck Norris…

All this being said, I will NEVER buy another Rock River arms product and I encourage you all to think long and hard before you do! They have not lived up to their promises and are unreliable. I am just happy I realized how bad they are before I ever needed them. If you ever end up with their products, pray that you never need their help…

I have the stock on gunbroker for $100 with free shipping. If someone wants it, please PM me.
Link Posted: 5/4/2012 3:24:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 3:29:04 PM EST by kenndogg]
My law stock was shipped today.  I plan on primarly running it on a 11.5" 5.56 upper with a lower using an ACE ultralite entry stock.  Will also throw on suppressed 9mm sbr upper from time to time.  Also have a 8" .45 acp upper too; which I willing to bet with the stock folded I can stick it in my backpack.  Pics when stock arrives.
My real concern with be the bolt carrier extension.  Not sure of the weight but I can assume it will affect the gas system on something as finicky as my .45acp DI upper.  Don't really think it will make a difference on my 5.56 upper using brass ammo(not sure on the weak Tula ammo though) or the blow back 9mm upper.
Link Posted: 5/5/2012 5:53:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Stickman:
Originally Posted By TitusAndronicus:
Im not interested in shooting with a folded stock, but I am interested in making my SBR even smaller for storage. I currently disassemble the rifle to keep it stored discreetly and this stock adapter would get the rifle into action more quickly. If this is made well and doesn't affect reliability, I'm in.


That is my thoughts towards it as well.  I have no interest in shooting a folding stock AR with the stock in, but to pack it up smaller or to carry in it a vehicle, I like that idea.  


+1
Looking forward to that review. I assume you will be working your photography mojo as well I am very interested in what the total package length would be on a 10.5" with an A2 and this adapter.  

Link Posted: 5/5/2012 9:10:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/6/2012 7:04:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By kenndogg:
My law stock was shipped today.  I plan on primarly running it on a 11.5" 5.56 upper with a lower using an ACE ultralite entry stock.  Will also throw on suppressed 9mm sbr upper from time to time.  Also have a 8" .45 acp upper too; which I willing to bet with the stock folded I can stick it in my backpack.  Pics when stock arrives.
My real concern with be the bolt carrier extension.  Not sure of the weight but I can assume it will affect the gas system on something as finicky as my .45acp DI upper.  Don't really think it will make a difference on my 5.56 upper using brass ammo(not sure on the weak Tula ammo though) or the blow back 9mm upper.


It;s like you are reading my mind. Please let us know how that works out!
Link Posted: 5/6/2012 7:34:14 AM EST
I'm very interested as well.  I like the idea of being able to cram it into a much smaller backpack, and still be quickly deployable.  I live in a state which does not let me have SBR's, so anything to shrink the rifle is appealing to me.  I've thought about the XCR and other options, but I really just enjoy the AR platform too much to leave it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2012 12:13:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 12:16:44 PM EST by glock24]
As homotroid as their video appears, I'm mildly interested in this for my SPR

Pros;

1.  compact storage
2.  Add 1.3" to A2 stock for my 14.5" LOP
3.  Easier cleaning of barrel
4.  Additional buffer mass for those heavy 77g SPR loads




Link Posted: 5/7/2012 3:56:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2012 4:45:38 PM EST by kenndogg]
Ok, just got my Law folding stock adapter in this afternoon.  First impression is everything seems solid, no cheap feel to it.
After checking that everything is present I grabbed the Bolt Carrier extension; this is the piece that actually goes in the bolt carrier itself.  Put it on a scale and it weighs in at 1.9 oz.  Since this piece is
needed and it physically goes in the bolt carrier, this will NOT work on a 9mm blow back BCG since it is one solid piece.  Bummer.

Following the instructions I proceed as instructed.  While installing the threaded flange I could not get it tight enough.  Instructions called for an adjustable spanner wrench, well I didn't have one so I
had to get creative.  Would of been nice if a cross type tool was included to tighten the flange(similar to something like those used to install a shotgun choke).
After that was done the rest was simple.  The last thing I had to do was install the bolt carrier extension.  Well it was too tight for my Daniel Defense bolt carrier; leaving me with two options:
use some fine grit sandpaper on the carrier extension or find another bolt carrier.  Lucky for me I had a BCM carrier to swap out.  
The instructions said to make sure to install the extension with the flat side down.  

Well I decided to install it upside down to see what would happen if it somehow would rotate during firing.  Sure enough the BCG would not completely close when I try to rack the gun.  
Even worse was the stock would not fold since the extension was stuck.  Had to use a pair of pliers to rotate the extension to the correct orientation, than line the stock back up and rack the charging handle.
So what keeps the extension from rotating during shooting?  I can only assume the spring loading nipple on the skinny part of the extension that goes in the carrier; there is a slot for a small flat head.  Maybe tighten it down to keep the
extension from rotating?  I don't know as the instructions does not mention this at all.
I know I can easily rotate the extension by hand with the stock folding.  This might be problematic later on, we'll see.

After everything installed I checked for any play in the adapter.  The adapter is really two piece that are hinged together; one connects to the lower and the other to the buffer tube/stock.  
Well the piece connecting to the lower is solid, but I have a little play between the two hinge pieces.  I don't think it will be enough to effect anything during firing with the carrier going back and forth(at least I hope not).

With the stock folded the only thing keeping it folded is spring tension, so if the gun is rotated 90 degrees to the left the stock is just going to flop and hang in the air.  

The upper receiver has a BCM gunfighter charging with the medium latch.  What I love about the gunfighter is I can easily rack the gun with my thumb and index finger instead of the claw method.  Well can't do that since the top of
the adapter gets in the way.  Even using the claw method does not feel smooth and natural like it should.  Switching to a large latch gunfighter only makes is marginally better, but my fingers still slides against the top of
the adapter.  I have small hands and this will definitely be an issue to those with larger hands.

With a 11.5 upper, it will fit in my pack when folded.
So far my impressions are mixed; I really want to like it, but some of the things here need to be addressed.  Tomorrow's range session will decide if I'm going to keep it on my go to rifle or be relegated to one of my range toy only guns.
Expect a range report tomorrow.  Will run at least 400 rounds in one sitting for sure.  Until then here are some pics:




Link Posted: 5/7/2012 3:57:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2012 3:58:03 PM EST by kenndogg]
dupe
Link Posted: 5/7/2012 4:12:06 PM EST
Thanks for the initial report. Any chance you can get video of this thing operating? I can't believe the spring tension wouldn't be enough to hold that ultralight ace folded.
Link Posted: 5/7/2012 4:24:03 PM EST
Tagged as this is very interesting.
Link Posted: 5/7/2012 4:31:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2012 4:37:26 PM EST by kenndogg]
I'll see what I can do as for as a video tomorrow at the range.
Yeah kinda of suck to it just dangles if tilted 90 degrees to the left, but it does go back in its folding position on its own when rotated back 90 degrees.
Been just doing some function test with dummy rounds and everything seems fine.
Also if I'm more conscious when I rack the charging handle I can most of the time not hit the top of the adapter
I also tried one of my other uppers and the extension was again too tight for the carrier.  It will fit my 7.62x39 carrier though.
So far will fit in my BCM full auto carrier and the 7.62x39 semi auto carrier but not the DD full auto carrier.
Link Posted: 5/8/2012 6:48:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/8/2012 6:51:11 AM EST by jasonusvi]
Interested but would miss the Noveske endplate as a sling atachment point.

ETA: Looking at the pictures on the site... perhaps it will still work.
Link Posted: 5/8/2012 7:08:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Interested but would miss the Noveske endplate as a sling atachment point.

ETA: Looking at the pictures on the site... perhaps it will still work.


if you're talking about this, than it would stil work since you do still use an end plate for a carbine buffer.
Link Posted: 5/14/2012 3:17:18 AM EST
Have one inbound.  Guessing it will impact buffer weight choice.
Link Posted: 5/14/2012 6:18:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
I dont understand the need to fire a rifle with the stock folded like some inbred third worlder.

You say its better to fire from your vehicle, but wouldnt it still be a better idea to shoot the rifle with the stock open to get a cheak weld? I mean who sits there and actually holds a 5.56 rifle like a Uzi and fired from their vehicles? Raise your hands?

As far as a military role, wouldnt it be better to leave your windows up for protection, never heard of anyone shooting through their windows to engage a target in the real world


I'll let Larry Vickers ( a well known inbred 3rd worlder) explain why more capabilities are a good thing.

Larry Vickers explains why a folding stock and the capibility to fire is a good thing
Link Posted: 5/14/2012 6:34:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By albatrossarmament:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
I dont understand the need to fire a rifle with the stock folded like some inbred third worlder.

You say its better to fire from your vehicle, but wouldnt it still be a better idea to shoot the rifle with the stock open to get a cheak weld? I mean who sits there and actually holds a 5.56 rifle like a Uzi and fired from their vehicles? Raise your hands?

As far as a military role, wouldnt it be better to leave your windows up for protection, never heard of anyone shooting through their windows to engage a target in the real world


I'll let Larry Vickers ( a well known inbred 3rd worlder) explain why more capabilities are a good thing.

Larry Vickers explains why a folding stock and the capibility to fire is a good thing


Video is fun but to your point, more capabilities are a good thing.  The adapter adds a capability otherwise not possible on the standard AR platform.  Before now, if a folding stock was a high priority for any reason, you had to go with something other than an AR.
Link Posted: 5/15/2012 12:27:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2012 4:41:39 PM EST by KYtechmike]
Thanks for the writeup!  Would you mind to tell me what the length of your rifle is with the stock folded?
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 11:58:22 AM EST
I am also interested for the same reasons, though I wonder if this would require a tax stamp if used on a non SBR.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 1:00:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/16/2012 1:02:05 PM EST by chuck1]
kenndogg:
If you are worried about the carrier insert rotating you can try loctite 620. That will keep it in place but might make it a bit of a bitch to try and remove if you wanted to.

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 2:46:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By TrackSol:
I am also interested for the same reasons, though I wonder if this would require a tax stamp if used on a non SBR.


Why would it require a tax stamp?

Theres tons of foldig AK's out there.

Besides when you measure your OAL you extend the stock, also SBR purely relates to barrel length
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:39:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By dan9591:
Here’s my experience with a folding stock AR…

I bought (and just sold) an RRA LAR-PDS. Read all about my adventures with RRA here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/566818_Rock_River_Arms_Piston_Driven_System.html.

I will NEVER buy another RRA product for as long as I live. That being said, the folding stock does have its advantages such as storage. When folded, you can carry it in a reasonable sized duffel bag that doesn’t scream “steal me!”.

I was going to shorten the barrel and install this stock:

http://shop.nordiccomp.com/NC-Compact-Retractable-Butt-Stock-STK-CRS-BRS.htm

It will fit an AR that doesn’t need a buffer tube and WILL fire folded. That is pretty much only 3 AR’s ever made (unless it’s a .22).

The short barrel, combined with an HK-style stock would have been a great CQB AR.

I was going to add a vertical grip to the left rail and a laser somewhere up front. I had visions in my head of a “chainsaw” type rifle.

What I didn’t think of, however, are some of the less-obvious problems. The battery release is impossible to reach with the left hand. You will need a BAD lever. Same with the safety. You can’t have an ambi-mag release. Basically, you need to move everything from the left to the right..

Plus, you look like an a-hole shooting it with the stock folded. About the only person that could pull it off and look cool would be Chuck Norris. And I, sir, am no Chuck Norris…

All this being said, I will NEVER buy another Rock River arms product and I encourage you all to think long and hard before you do! They have not lived up to their promises and are unreliable. I am just happy I realized how bad they are before I ever needed them. If you ever end up with their products, pray that you never need their help…

I have the stock on gunbroker for $100 with free shipping. If someone wants it, please PM me.

Strange, I have three RRA and they all run great, building another one now and from what I personally seen, they have always backed up thier product.

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 5:51:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/16/2012 5:52:09 PM EST by akethan]
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By TrackSol:
I am also interested for the same reasons, though I wonder if this would require a tax stamp if used on a non SBR.


Why would it require a tax stamp?

Theres tons of foldig AK's out there.

Besides when you measure your OAL you extend the stock, also SBR purely relates to barrel length


Not in every state.
Link Posted: 5/16/2012 6:02:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By TrackSol:
I am also interested for the same reasons, though I wonder if this would require a tax stamp if used on a non SBR.


Why would it require a tax stamp?

Theres tons of foldig AK's out there.

Besides when you measure your OAL you extend the stock, also SBR purely relates to barrel length


I also thought about the folding AK's but I thought it might only be legal if it came that way from the factory, kind of like the pistol grip shotguns.

After your reply I did a bit more research and saw that at the federal level it's legal. I just need to check my state's laws.

Thanks.

Link Posted: 5/16/2012 9:51:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/17/2012 6:51:37 AM EST by kenndogg]
KYtechmike,
Length folded with an 11.5" and Battle Comp 1.5 is approx. 21.5"

chuck1,
Since have 4 uppers I am going to rotate using this lower so I don't see that as an option.  I will say tha after putting 500 round of 5.56 and 100 rounds of 7.62x39 that it rotated no more than 45 degrees and I was able to fold the
stock without issues.  Will put 500 rounds of Tula tomorrow.  This ammo is pretty weak so we'll see if the added 2 oz of the extension with affect this rifle with a standard carbine buffer.  I will be taking Travis Haley's carbine class in Oct., so
by then I hope to have shot at least 3k before than and if all goes well at the class than I would say it's a keeper.
Link Posted: 5/17/2012 3:47:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/17/2012 3:48:17 AM EST by RDTCU]
Originally Posted By akethan:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By TrackSol:
I am also interested for the same reasons, though I wonder if this would require a tax stamp if used on a non SBR.


Why would it require a tax stamp?

Theres tons of foldig AK's out there.

Besides when you measure your OAL you extend the stock, also SBR purely relates to barrel length


Not in every state.


The weapon cannot function in the folded position, so how is it not the same as the KelTec Sub2000 or SU-16, which I believe are 50 state legal with the proper mags...
(I guess you could get a single shot off before it locks up, though...)
Link Posted: 5/17/2012 6:03:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By kenndogg:
KYtechmike,
Length folded with an 11.5" and Battle Comp 1.5 is approx. 21.5"

chuck1,
Since have 4 uppers I am going to rotate using this lower so I don't see that as an option.  I will say tha after putting 500 round of 5.56 and 100 rounds of 7.62x39 that it rotated on more than 45 degrees and I was able to fold the
stock without issues.  Will put 500 rounds of Tula tomorrow.  This ammo is pretty weak so we'll see if the added 2 oz of the extension with affect this rifle with a standard carbine buffer.  I will be taking Travis Haley's carbine class in Oct., so
by then I hope to have shot at least 3k before than and if all goes well at the class than I would say it's a keeper.


How far does the  piece extend into the carrier? Maybe a setscrew (either straight up or at an angle) in the piece that can be reached with it in place. Might provide enough resistance from rotating. There should be  some way to keep it interchangeable but secure.
Link Posted: 5/17/2012 7:16:50 AM EST
Here is a pic of the extension.  Notice the spring loaded nipple.  I suspect this is just to keep the extension from seperating during cycling.  I can adjust it by turning clockwise, but
if done too much it is very hard to insert into the carrier.   I just screw in all the way and back out a bit at a time until it feels snug and allows me to remove without tools.
Extension can still rotate though.


The extension that goes into the carrier is about 1 9/16"

Link Posted: 5/21/2012 4:52:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/21/2012 5:05:28 PM EST





Got a review up anywhere yet?



 
Link Posted: 5/21/2012 5:20:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/21/2012 5:21:23 PM EST



Originally Posted By Stickman:



Originally Posted By sdman11890:






Got a review up anywhere yet?

 






Nope, just picked it up today.  First impressions should be up shortly at Military Times/ Gear Scout.





Awesome, thanks!



 
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