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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:44:43 PM EDT
[#1]
I feel sorry for the next poor sap that tries to read this post. My brain hurts all of a sudden.
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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:49:12 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm just going to say "Bull Shit".
One more thing GTFO (you figure it out). 
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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:51:16 PM EDT
[#3]
WHY DOES YOUR BRAIN HURT? TAKE A PAIN KILLER.
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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:52:42 PM EDT
[#4]
you're a looser if u tipe in awl kaps
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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:59:22 PM EDT
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Garand
of your choices: Kel-Tec  pls cut off the "caps lock" button IBTL |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 7:59:43 PM EDT
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This has nothing to do with the AR15. Sorry you live in a commie state, that's your fault not mine. You need to post this stupid thread here: ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=2 and not in the AR discussion forum.
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:07:54 PM EDT
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Personally, if I couldn't have an AR, I'd get a M1A/M14 clone. 1.5 MOA is impressive with a red-dot sight, btw. |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:08:43 PM EDT
[#11]
how do I move it ? horse.gif |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:10:34 PM EDT
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well its a eotech 1 moa dot I am using IMI ammo 55 gr 1:9 and sand bags. Years of shooting helps as well.
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:16:19 PM EDT
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Without match ammo, it's VERY impressive shooting - and perhaps a little luck  I've been shooting (on and off) for about 30 years, and would have trouble with that, even off a sand bag. Good job. 
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:27:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Thank you I dont always shoot that on average 2-3 moa but yeah i did get lucky but with a scope I do shoot on avverage 1.5-2.5 moa using Isreali ammo headbang.gif |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:31:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:51:16 PM EDT
[#16]
just so you guys know it kicks the crap out of my SKS Now I am talking about the CA model I have added a AK-74 brake on it
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Posted: 4/11/2006 10:50:59 PM EDT
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Keltec,
Dude you can get an AR in Kalifornia. Have you been living in a cave for the past few months? Kalifornians are sucking the market of lowers, and uppers dry. The Kel tec's a cool little backpack gun but will not outshoot an AR. |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:05:47 PM EDT
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HEY, BUT MSTN AND OVERWATCH TYPE IN ALL CAPS, WHY CAN'T HE?   Nathan |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:10:02 PM EDT
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Not enough true choices.
You should have put an FAL, G3, Sig 552, AUG, or any number of other "black" rifles. You need to get rid of the stupid "Ninja Stars" and "Just Shoot Me" Hardwarz |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:18:48 PM EDT
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Lol the CA model is no back pack gun it has a bull barrel treaded 1/2/ 28 like AR-15 same bolt Ak-47 tube and takes all ar-15 mags there was a torture test done a while back 580 rounds they were dipping it ice water and shooting it lol it keeps going and going it does shoot just as good as an AR trust me. As far as the AR in california lol it's a joke it has a pin you need to take out to crack in half and feed it (no clips) one by one 10 rounds close the gun put the pin in again and then shoot your 10 rounds lol if you did not know they have shut the mag well shut lol no thank you thats a waste of money and a shame what they have done to the AR-15 the Su on the other hand I can feed it 40 rounders all day |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:23:17 PM EDT
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You can have a G3 in California lol when was the last time you checked the laws out here lol
I should have put m1a now thats a scary gun and it is lavailable here As far as the star lol you best protect your neck |
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Posted: 4/11/2006 11:56:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Mag wells are open on these... and yes, they're in California. lol  |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:46:03 AM EDT
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in violation, these are not leagl unless you had one before the bann you cant have one now unless your military or law enforment dude read the DOJ on california |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 6:55:12 AM EDT
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What people are talking about is a potential loophole or gap in the law. There's a big tacked post on it at the top of this page www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=266355 Other understand and can explain it much better than me, but apparently, if an AR manufacturer (i.e. the lower) is ADDED to the list that bans them, there is a 30-day grace period for people to register their AR's. Because there are a number of new manufacturers of AR's - like Mega, LMT, etc, that are not currently listed, a lot of people in CA believe the the CA DOJ will ADD those manufacturer names to the list, which will then give them the opportunity to assemble new AR's legally (in the 30-day period) and register them legally with the CA DOJ. Personally, I don't think it is actually going to happen, but a lot of people in CA do - and have bought stripped lowers (like the one in the picture above), just in case. In any event, the stripped lowers are perfectly legal as stripped lowers - under the current law you jsut cannot assemble it into a proper AR (which is why a lot of people have bought a stripped lower and just have it laying around, with their fingers crossed). |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:04:16 AM EDT
[#25]
I think this guy owns a KeltecSU16.....just a hunch.
He wants to be validated. I vote for garand |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:15:19 AM EDT
[#26]
who in the fuck uses meters?
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:26:28 AM EDT
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Do you think I own a kel-tec? did you happen to read my starting quote? And why are you talking about a WW2 rifle we are talking assult like rifles not 8 rounds of 30-06 h |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 7:32:31 AM EDT
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Sir please you dont know me or my weapon |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:05:25 AM EDT
[#30]
What about a few years of writing? What about a few hours of learning how to be polite? What about not asking questions you have already answered for yourself? What about knowing when you are both too stupid and rude to be on the internet? Stop posting and begin to study for your GED! |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:23:23 AM EDT
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Thanks for the range report, but it would have been much better had you used traditional sentance structure, and punctuation.
I had to read it three time to get the gist of what you were trying to say. Break up the run-ons with some paragraphs. Please. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:30:04 AM EDT
[#32]
If we all leave this thread alone it may go away. This is an AR forum, not a Kalifornia forum. This should be moved to GD. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:55:01 AM EDT
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Lol dude you need to get some!Hmmmm in person your probably an average guy but get you behing the keyboard now lol you turn into the tough guy so th |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 8:58:54 AM EDT
[#34]
Dude what are you ateacher? I am working while I type this I dont have time to edit get over it go sit on your AR or something |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:29:13 AM EDT
[#35]
KeltechSu16CA offers us a good reminder that "Stupid people do not know they are stupid."
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:42:37 AM EDT
[#36]
I own a Kel-Tec SU16C with the awesome folding stock. The rifle rocks. No ammo feed problems whatsover as of yet.
The stock which folds up over a 30 round clip and still allows the rifle to be fired is ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. The fold out handrail/bi-pod is kinda cheap though. Seems like it could be thicker and more sturdy. Other than that the rifle is a GREAT back-up. A awesome SHTF carry along. Fold it up and put it in your truck, under the seat or in your backpack, its ready to go. BUT- It just doesnt have the feel of an AR. I would think the accuracy isnt as fine tuned all around as you say.....but who knows. Needless to say...it was the Kel Tec that made me want an AR. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:50:14 AM EDT
[#37]
There are some dump ass people in here
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:51:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:57:47 AM EDT
[#39]
I wish I could have one, but the accuracy is there with the right ammo and shooter.
what sight system do you have on it?
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Posted: 4/12/2006 9:58:18 AM EDT
[#40]
IBTL
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:00:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:02:06 AM EDT
[#42]
You have absolutely no clue do you? Read DOJ opinion letters on Stag Arms, DSArms, Mega Machine tool, and anything else. These are 'off-list' lowers that are not definied by CA PC 12276 (RR89 named weapons) or by PC 12276.1 SB-23 features definition. I guess you have not read about Kasler or Harrott? Read this sticky post... it's even in THIS forum... are you blind lad? lol http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=266355 Then look at the opinion letters themselves... http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/letters060220.PDF |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:03:27 AM EDT
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<cough> ... everyone else in the world ... <cough>  - Ice |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:03:56 AM EDT
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In Before The Lock Mods are probably going to lock this thread as its snowballing.... pics? 
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:15:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Good deal!
You might want to add a red dot on it, you can get a cheap one but good BSA ,truglo, they are everywhere but yeah with a scope you will see just how accurate that little rifle is
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:21:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Wow thanks I did not know but to be honest I am happy with this little SU-16 Ca that I have did you see the picof it?
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Posted: 4/12/2006 10:44:22 AM EDT
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Welcome, KeltechSu16CA seems many people are jumping on you because of your claims. I can't figure out why they attack you personally I would think they would just ask for the evidence and data. I guess they are trying to make you mad or something.
And, BTW, IMO you posted this in the right forum. It a comparison of the Keltec and an AR that sounds relevant to me. We get posts here about the SCAR, XCR, SIG 556, and and many other non ARs I cannot recall and nobody complains. I find your results interesting and would love to see pics of the targets. I would also like to see the accuracy comparison with some quality ammo and scopes (I think that might give you a better indication of actual accuracy difference). Definately a viable alternative in CA. I'm thinking about picking one up some day for a trunk gun. |
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Posted: 4/12/2006 11:36:24 AM EDT
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Yeah some people, but what can you do? I have shot both with scopes and they shoot the same, some like some ammo, some dont. But as far as a SHTF gun the kel-tec is good, you can put someone down at 300 meters no problem, the AR has the adge (crome line barrel) but reliability I give it to the tec, this thing remings me of an AR accurate and reliable like an AK it's very hard to jam
I think the AR has the edge at long range 20" barrel but the tech is a great gun for the money. I do think the AR is the best rifle in .223 but the tech is great too http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=105;action=display;num=1139350137 http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=105;action=display;num=1107839748
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Posted: 4/12/2006 2:39:43 PM EDT
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I own a few AR15, and I owned an SU16A for about six months. It is a very cheap gun (you can get an Alpha for less than $400), but it's definitely not the gun I'd pickup in zero-fail-allowed scenarios.
If you look at the KT forum, quite a number of ppl had a combination of FTF, FTE or stovepipes. I was pretty lucky and I had about 4-5 failures in about 500 rounds, but that's 4-5 too much when it comes to my life. They had quite a few rifles with out of spec chamber (too tight) and this created FTEs, many times blamed on the ammos. KT seemed to be really prompt in fixing rifles once received from complaining users. The barrel tends to overheat very easily, and this combined with the polymer frame might not be good in the long term. You also don't want to use KT mags, otherwise you'll spend more time pushing the charging handle forward, than shooting. Good AR15 mags is what you want to use (I used Bushy ones with no probs). Overall a fun rifle to shoot, but IMO there's no match in a compare with the AR15 platform. - Ice |
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