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Posted: 12/19/2021 5:08:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KnoBodyKarz]
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HenryKnoxFineBooks posted:
“Typically, when a small speciality company gets bought out, there is the promise of nothing changing, only now there will be more resources to produce what made the small company attractive for the buyout. The small company is frequently successful because it will serve a market niche that large companies did not find profitable. A reason for that success is the investment in the cost of production and quality that results in a lower margin, but appeals to the market leaders that make the product popular. Within a year, the popular product is withdrawn and level of service quality declines - we shall see if this will be the exception.” In my opinion if you want something from Nodak buy it now. I bought an AK pistol from Palmetto State Armory and it was a gauntlet of BS to try and get them to repair it. Seriously, if there is a negative comment about Nodak’ quality I’ve yet to hear it. On the other hand to all you cheerleaders who think this is a wonder thing I suggest you read the comments about Palmetto State Armory (PSA) on the Better Business Bureau website or look at what people have stated on the “Ripoff Report” about PSA. I believe there will shortly be two kinds of Nodak products: those produced BEFORE PSA bought them out and those produced AFTER PSA bought them out and the prices will reflect that. You’ve been warned. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 5:18:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I assume you have the same opinion of the Sten? Stens and Sterlings are more viable as a semi. With the Sterling being arguably the sexiest subgun ever made, it has a strong lead in my mind. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 6:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Rest assured, I plan to take a metered approach to product offerings and make this a sustainable endeavor. I want to keep the retro program focused on the core products that allow home builders to make their dreams come true. We will come out with a FEW complete guns, but as we've seen, it's hard to mass produce replica firearms that advanced collectors approve of. This is extremely exciting for me and I have big plans for H&R, and not just in the retro AR15 market. The biggest thing I ask is to have patience, as there will be a transition and learning curve for my new crew. If I order a "Tabuk" style flash hider will it be awhile beofer I get it? I ordered one from you guys and loved it, so I wanna get another one for my M70 Zastava. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 7:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raygixxer89: If I order a "Tabuk" style flash hider will it be awhile beofer I get it? I ordered one from you guys and loved it, so I wanna get another one for my M70 Zastava. Last day we are taking orders is the 23rd. Then in January our inventory will be shipped to West Columbia SC where I will be based with H&R. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 7:05:34 PM EDT
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Might you be having a January we don't really want to ship this to SC sale?
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Posted: 12/19/2021 7:51:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
[#6]
Dec 23rd is the last day for ordering in stock items.
Our inventory is very low at this point, no need for a sale. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2021 8:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Last day we are taking orders is the 23rd. Then in January our inventory will be shipped to West Columbia SC where I will be based with H&R. Awesome. Thanks, I'll order one tomorrow. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 8:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Dec 23rd is the last day for ordering in stock items. Our inventory is very low at this point, no need for a sale. Dammit! It's like you've been professionally planning this for some time! 
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Posted: 12/19/2021 10:39:00 PM EDT
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Best of luck to Mike in his future endeavors. It's good to see hard work paying off.
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Posted: 12/19/2021 10:51:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rooster-X]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I can't speak fully for Harlan. But he is going to retire. Maybe he'll go on a craft beer tour or something. Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that.  
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MP, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2021 10:54:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Outstanding news, congratulations. Please produce the
T-223 and T-48. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 11:16:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Congratulations!
I am all about the Handi-rifle 2.0. The 16" .357 and .44 Mags were great little rifles. I am sure this will be a success and I look forward to seeing the H&R name brought back. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 11:45:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RoosterX19: Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/263862323_652810269429324_84474987512072-2210080.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/265221392_929095111372344_11325797745929-2210081.jpg Nice. |
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Posted: 12/19/2021 11:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Rest assured, I plan to take a metered approach to product offerings and make this a sustainable endeavor. I want to keep the retro program focused on the core products that allow home builders to make their dreams come true. We will come out with a FEW complete guns, but as we've seen, it's hard to mass produce replica firearms that advanced collectors approve of. This is extremely exciting for me and I have big plans for H&R, and not just in the retro AR15 market. The biggest thing I ask is to have patience, as there will be a transition and learning curve for my new crew. Mausers? 
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Posted: 12/20/2021 12:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: This is extremely exciting for me and I have big plans for H&R, and not just in the retro AR15 market. . Once upon a time H&R made T223s... |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 12:48:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Outstanding news, congratulations. Please produce the T-223 and T-48. I second this. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 5:45:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnoBodyKarz: HenryKnoxFineBooks posted: “Typically, when a small speciality company gets bought out, there is the promise of nothing changing, only now there will be more resources to produce what made the small company attractive for the buyout. The small company is frequently successful because it will serve a market niche that large companies did not find profitable. A reason for that success is the investment in the cost of production and quality that results in a lower margin, but appeals to the market leaders that make the product popular. Within a year, the popular product is withdrawn and level of service quality declines - we shall see if this will be the exception.” In my opinion if you want something from Nodak buy it now. I bought an AK pistol from Palmetto State Armory and it was a gauntlet of BS to try and get them to repair it. Seriously, if there is a negative comment about Nodak’ quality I’ve yet to hear it. On the other hand to all you cheerleaders who think this is a wonder thing I suggest you read the comments about Palmetto State Armory (PSA) on the Better Business Bureau website or look at what people have stated on the “Ripoff Report” about PSA. I believe there will shortly be two kinds of Nodak products: those produced BEFORE PSA bought them out and those produced AFTER PSA bought them out and the prices will reflect that. You’ve been warned. I wouldn’t pay attention to the BBB or rip-off report. Any more than I would pay attention to Yelp or other review sites/apps where armies of anonymous autistic trolls live to crucify businesses over minutiae. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 7:33:52 AM EDT
[#18]
To everyone suggesting products, we appreciate your input.
I already have a huge list of things we would like to do. Then there is the short list of what is going on right now. Some of which will be shared at SHOT Show. H&R is going to bring some cool things to market, I’m just not going to talk about them until they are ready. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 7:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: To everyone suggesting products, we appreciate your input. I already have a huge list of things we would like to do. Then there is the short list of what is going on right now. Some of which will be shared at SHOT Show. H&R is going to bring some cool things to market, I’m just not going to talk about them until they are ready. Cool! CD |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 8:39:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RoosterX19: Congrat's on the merger! I'm the proud owner of several of your receivers (both AR and AK). Some of the best I've ever built! Also, if Harlan were to come on up to New England for a beer tour, I'd gladly buy him a round. Or 4. Good luck and enjoy SC Here's a numbers matching AKSU with your numbers matching NDS receiver. I really appreciate that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/263862323_652810269429324_84474987512072-2210170.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480444/265221392_929095111372344_11325797745929-2210171.jpg Nice build. The early days in Blaine with DCI (Dan Coonan) were something else. Harlan had a tremendous reputation for customer service from our Federal Arms Corp days. It really helped us hit the ground running with the Yugoslav AK receivers. Here's me and Harlan at the SAR show in Phoenix 2005. Humble beginnings 
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Posted: 12/20/2021 9:50:57 AM EDT
[#21]
Congrats to Mike and Harlan, this seems like a nice boost to the retro world. Wonderful news.
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Posted: 12/20/2021 10:54:35 AM EDT
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A good friend recently relocated from Wash DC Metro to Columbia SC (moved from Beretta to FN Herstal). Lots of goodness happening down that way. I'm gonna ask him to come bug you at SHOT lol
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Posted: 12/20/2021 5:09:07 PM EDT
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Getting a set ready for SHOT Show.
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Posted: 12/20/2021 5:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg 
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Posted: 12/20/2021 5:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 6:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Yes, please. A LPK to match too?
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Posted: 12/20/2021 7:23:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattra: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. Yeah, we’re not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love.  |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 7:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Yeah, were not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Originally Posted By mattra: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. Yeah, were not going to be hand polishing production parts. We are completely out of forgings and had to use some old sample parts to make a few lowers. This part was really rough and needed some Mikey love. All of my original uppers look awful, leave all the blems in place and market them as being more realistic.
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Posted: 12/20/2021 8:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/20/2021 11:11:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for the preview Mike. Good things are happening. I'm excited to get one of these lowers to build upon. Also impatiently waiting to buy S&W stuff with a Maryville TN roll mark
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:24:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg That’s nice. Any eta on when we will start seeing A1 uppers again? |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:34:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Looks great. When will they be available to order? |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 12:44:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2021 2:49:42 AM EDT
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I am definitely on board for an HR lower for my a1 clone. It has a poverty pony right now that works but that HR is downright sexy
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Posted: 12/21/2021 6:24:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: That’s nice. Any eta on when we will start seeing A1 uppers again? We still have some in the white. But anodized parts won’t happen again until we get settled in SC. As for lowers, we won’t have forgings until February. I don’t expect to have finished parts until late March at the earliest. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 6:45:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmaLiteM15KevinZ: I am definitely on board for an HR lower for my a1 clone. It has a poverty pony right now that works but that HR is downright sexy Same, looking great!! |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 9:00:22 AM EDT
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Outside the AR Retro discussion - Is there tooling and other hard assets that were formerly H&R used in manufacturing that were acquired?
The old faithful H&R single shot shotguns as an example, licensing agreements for branded products (non-domestic shotguns, etc)? Things we saw over the last 10 years that were interesting but didn't have much innovation as sorted through the prism of a gun enthusiast - more corporate budget-based product offerings. For example a gun enthusiast at the helm would have innovated more from the platform - e.g. would have made a very poor man's judge from a 410 single shot H&R. There is a difference between equity and investment acquisitions - looks like PSA expects more innovation and is making this an investment. Very excited about this. Its a great old name - I'm sure you guys will revitalize it. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 9:26:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Getting a set ready for SHOT Show. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/470810FF-F402-4E30-88D8-4CD188647521-2210730.jpg Nice! |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 9:28:56 AM EDT
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Mike and Harlan-- Congrats on your next endeavor!! I am looking forward to your future products!! special runs of a H&R M14 semi-auto receiver and a Stoner 63 system would be nice.
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Posted: 12/21/2021 1:28:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: techno_000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattra: Looks great, but also looks hand polished. How are the production versions going to be finished? Hand polished won't be feasible for scaling production. They will have big bad a$$ deburring machines - which is ideal. Once they are anodized you wont beable to tell the difference. Hand polishing is for the birds, and the ppl that can’t afford a big sweet deburring machine. Lol. I’m sure Mike is enjoying having his finger tips not sanded smooth. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 2:38:26 PM EDT
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Except the problems I had with Palmetto State Armory EXACTLY mirrored many of the complaints people posted on BBB. Believe what you want, “Stupid is as stupid does”.
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Posted: 12/21/2021 2:46:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnoBodyKarz: Except the problems I had with Palmetto State Armory EXACTLY mirrored many of the complaints people posted on BBB. Believe what you want, “Stupid is as stupid does”. Maybe you should study up on conduct in the tech forums. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 2:57:21 PM EDT
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Sauce of Awesomeness...
I got an email from you guys the other week about still not knowing the availability for the next run of the NDS-16A1 lowers. However, a H&R will do just fine  When do the order books open!!! |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 4:24:16 PM EDT
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Mike,
The lower looks amazing. To the naysayers, Both vendors are sponsors of the forum (the tool we all use) This will only result in a high quality retro product for a reasonable price that will fill a void in the market. Nodak will make quality products no matter where they are or what they are called. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 5:25:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WildBill375]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By techno_000: Mike, The lower looks amazing. To the naysayers, Both vendors are sponsors of the forum (the tool we all use) This will only result in a high quality retro product for a reasonable price that will fill a void in the market. Nodak will make quality products no matter where they are or what they are called. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In the spirit of freedom site sponsorship should have 0 bearing on anything... sponsorship is just advertising space. There have been a ton of companies over the years that have gone down the tube after an acquisition, so there is validity in that side of the argument. I remain hopefully optimistic, but let others voice their own opinions. I wish them good luck and hope on quality products for years to come. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 6:06:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MatthewDS]
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I’m deeply disappointed that I won’t be able to complete my T91 clone lower as a result of this.
Obviously I can engrave an A2 lower with the correct markings, but it will always bother me. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 6:22:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2021 7:10:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: _LandCruiser_]
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Posted: 12/21/2021 7:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sdrake100: Does this mean you won't be able to use the H&R logo at Intl Mil Co on your lowers anymore? I to was curious about this |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 8:09:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jman_JJE]
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Originally Posted By Retroenthusiast67: I to was curious about this The H&R tradename, H&R trademarks and all H&R logos are solely owned intellectual property of JJE Capital Holdings. The use of these marks outside of anything sanctioned by JJE Capital is strictly prohibited. We have big plans for H&R. Many have been mentioned in this thread and some will surprise you. When I first met Mike Weteland, I knew he was the guy to run H&R. His knowledge of historical guns is second to none and his attention to detail is fantastic. In fact I think Mike be a bigger gun nut than me, which is quite an accomplishment. Let us know as you come up with ideas. Mike has been given the infrastructure, budget and authority to make H&R a premier manufacturer that focuses on retro designs and a few new ones. Proud to have Mike on board |
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