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Posted: 9/16/2003 9:39:06 PM EDT
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This is purely a guess, but if a company has a product that is in heavy demand, they will continue to make it. Barring some B.S. legislation, I think Federal will continue to make XM-193 for the public. They may make it in batches after they fulfill their Gov't orders. Shoot,thats probably how they get rid of their leftover components from the Gov't orders. Its better for a company to get inventory into the market, rather than have to store it in a warehouse.
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Posted: 9/17/2003 11:53:56 AM EDT
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They can afford to get rid of it if they want cause they sell safer American Eagle ammo FMJ.
Federal told me it was going to be a regular product however. CRC |
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Posted: 9/17/2003 12:15:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: They can afford to get rid of it if they want cause they sell safer American Eagle ammo FMJ. Federal told me it was going to be a regular product however. CRC By safer, what do you mean? .223 level pressures? ARs and 193 were made for each other. It's like peanut butter, and chocolate. |
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Posted: 9/17/2003 2:20:25 PM EDT
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I also think it will come down to supply and demand.
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Posted: 9/17/2003 2:44:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: I also think it will come down to supply and demand. Mostly supply. I hear they are using left over Winchester components. CRC |
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Posted: 9/17/2003 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: They can afford to get rid of it if they want cause they sell safer American Eagle ammo FMJ. Federal told me it was going to be a regular product however. CRC By safer, what do you mean? .223 level pressures? ARs and 193 were made for each other. It's like peanut butter, and chocolate. Yes lower pressures (supposedly). CRC |
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Posted: 9/18/2003 11:30:17 AM EDT
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Federal's XM193 is actually manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant, where USGI ammo is made. Federal's parent company, Alliant TechSystems (ATK), won the contract to operate Lake City beginning in 2000. During the 90s, Lake City was operated by Winchester/Olin, and before that, by DuPont.
Both Winchester's contract and Federal's contract have allowed them to make extra ammo for civilian/foreign sales at the Lake City plant once their military quota was met. Winchester's Q3131 (not "A") was really Lake City M193, but with Winchester's military headstamp, and in commercial Winchester packaging. Note also that Winchester sold Q3130, which was Lake City M80 (7.62x51mm NATO), and several other military calibers. And, now that ATK has the contract, Federal is selling XM193, which again is really Lake City M193. But, the question is: will this ammo always be available? My opinion is: don't count on it. Although it's easy to forget, the US is in a state of war in several countries right now, and many other "hot spots" could flare up at any time, resulting in 100% of Lake City's output going to the war effort (heck; they could require Federal's output be redirected too; it's probably already in the contract). In addition, a piece of legislation, a treaty, or an Exectutive Order could quickly put a stop to the sales of this ammo. This could happen at anytime, or maybe never. There's no way to know. But the only SAFE assumption is to assume that it will not always be available. Likely, there will always be .223 ammo available, but having ammo that meets the full military specs (M193 velocities, proper bullet, sealed cases, crimped primers) isn't guarenteed. Many of the countries that we used to get surplus military ammo from have stopped the sales of surplus military ammo, and so what we ARE able to get is new-production .223-spec ammo. This is why most of my shooting is with commercial .223 ammo, though I shoot M193 sometimes too. Still, I have a bunch of M193 set aside, and will only shoot it when I replace it with newer M193. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/18/2003 11:49:42 AM EDT
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Thank you for your indepth reply Troy. I've been shooting mainly M193 lately with some 223 55gr Federal (American Eagle) thrown in for good measure. In light of your info I'll probably switch to 223 for range use and not shoot the M193 except for reliability testing when I get a different caselot. I bought another case yesterday bringing my M193 total up to 3500 rounds. Next month I'll buy a few more cases and continue to do so every month for the foreseeable future. Since ammo can be stored and easily turned into cash if necessary I consider it a pretty safe investment.
Thanks again for the info [:)] |
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Posted: 9/27/2003 2:01:16 AM EDT
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I just bought 500 rounds of Federal M193. it is stamped with a mix of 02 and 03. It is LC brass. Dealer says more is coming in next week.
This stuff is in Federal brown cardboard packets with the plastic divider. |
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Posted: 9/27/2003 9:37:51 AM EDT
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I just bought 500 rounds of Federal M193. it is stamped with a mix of 02 and 03. It is LC brass. Dealer says more is coming in next week. Do the 20 round boxes all have the same lot number? |
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Posted: 9/27/2003 4:59:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just bought 500 rounds of Federal M193. it is stamped with a mix of 02 and 03. It is LC brass. Dealer says more is coming in next week. Do the 20 round boxes all have the same lot number? yes. The mix is in each 20 round box, so far. I have only opened three. |
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