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Posted: 9/14/2004 2:47:41 PM EST
As I read all this mumbo jumbo in the wording of the MASS AWB I cant tell if I can install a collapsable stock on my AR. Is it the length of the weapon that would prevent it? Can someone shed some light on this for me? as I would love to keep my stock.

GENERAL LAWS OF MASSACHUSETTS
PART I.
ADMINISTRATION OF THE GOVERNMENT

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TITLE XX.
PUBLIC SAFETY AND GOOD ORDER

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CHAPTER 140. LICENSES


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SALE OF FIREARMS
Chapter 140: Section 121 Firearms sales; definitions; antique firearms; application of law; exceptions

Section 121. As used in sections 122 to 131P, inclusive, the following words shall, unless the context clearly requires otherwise, have the following meanings:-

"Ammunition'', cartridges or cartridge cases, primers (igniter), bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm, rifle or shotgun. The term "ammunition'' shall also mean tear gas cartridges, chemical mace or any device or instrument which contains or emits a liquid, gas, powder or any other substance designed to incapacitate.

"Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30), and shall include, but not be limited to, any of the weapons, or copies or duplicates of the weapons, of any caliber, known as: (i) Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK) (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9 and M-12; (vi) Steyr AUG; (vii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (viii) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; provided, however, that the term assault weapon shall not include: (i) any of the weapons, or replicas or duplicates of such weapons, specified in appendix A to 18 U.S.C. section 922, as such weapons were manufactured on October 1, 1993; (ii) any weapon that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that has been rendered permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a semiautomatic assault weapon; (iv) any weapon that was manufactured prior to the year 1899; (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable assault weapon; (vi) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or (vii) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.

"Conviction'', a finding or verdict of guilt or a plea of guilty, whether or not final sentence is imposed.

"Firearm'', a pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which a shot or bullet can be discharged and of which the length of the barrel or barrels is less than 16 inches or 18 inches in the case of a shotgun as originally manufactured; provided, however, that the term firearm shall not include any weapon that is: (i) constructed in a shape that does not resemble a handgun, short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun including, but not limited to, covert weapons that resemble key-chains, pens, cigarette-lighters or cigarette-packages; or (ii) not detectable as a weapon or potential weapon by x-ray machines commonly used at airports or walk- through metal detectors.

"Gunsmith'', any person who engages in the business of repairing, altering, cleaning, polishing, engraving, blueing or performing any mechanical operation on any firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun.

"Imitation firearm'', any weapon which is designed, manufactured or altered in such a way as to render it incapable of discharging a shot or bullet.

"Large capacity feeding device'', (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31). The term "large capacity feeding device'' shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber ammunition.

"Large capacity weapon'', any firearm, rifle or shotgun: (i) that is semiautomatic with a fixed large capacity feeding device; (ii) that is semiautomatic and capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device; (iii) that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition in a rifle or firearm and more than five shotgun shells in the case of a shotgun or firearm; or (iv) that is an assault weapon. The term "large capacity weapon'' shall be a secondary designation and shall apply to a weapon in addition to its primary designation as a firearm, rifle or shotgun and shall not include: (i) any weapon that was manufactured in or prior to the year 1899; (ii) any weapon that operates by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (iii) any weapon that is a single-shot weapon; (iv) any weapon that has been modified so as to render it permanently inoperable or otherwise rendered permanently unable to be designated a large capacity weapon; or (v) any weapon that is an antique or relic, theatrical prop or other weapon that is not capable of firing a projectile and which is not intended for use as a functional weapon and cannot be readily modified through a combination of available parts into an operable large capacity weapon.

"Length of barrel'' or "barrel length'', that portion of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun through which a shot or bullet is driven, guided or stabilized and shall include the chamber.

"Licensing authority'', the chief of police or the board or officer having control of the police in a city or town, or persons authorized by them.

"Machine gun'', a weapon of any description, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged by one continuous activation of the trigger, including a submachine gun.

"Purchase'' and "sale'' shall include exchange; the word "purchaser'' shall include exchanger; and the verbs "sell'' and "purchase'', in their different forms and tenses, shall include the verb exchange in its appropriate form and tense.

"Rifle'', a weapon having a rifled bore with a barrel length equal to or greater than 16 inches and capable of discharging a shot or bullet for each pull of the trigger.

"Sawed-off shotgun'', any weapon made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

"Semiautomatic'', capable of utilizing a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and requiring a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.

"Shotgun'', a weapon having a smooth bore with a barrel length equal to or greater than 18 inches with an overall length equal to or greater than 26 inches, and capable of discharging a shot or bullet for each pull of the trigger.

"Violent crime'', shall mean any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year, or any act of juvenile delinquency involving the use or possession of a deadly weapon that would be punishable by imprisonment for such term if committed by an adult, that: (i) has as an element the use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force or a deadly weapon against the person of another; (ii) is burglary, extortion, arson or kidnapping; (iii) involves the use of explosives; or (iv) otherwise involves conduct that presents a serious risk of physical injury to another.

"Weapon'', any rifle, shotgun or firearm.

Where the local licensing authority has the power to issue licenses or cards under this chapter, but no such licensing authority exists, any resident or applicant may apply for such license or firearm identification card directly to the colonel of state police and said colonel shall for this purpose be the licensing authority.

The provisions of sections 122 to 129D, inclusive, and sections 131, 131A, 131B and 131E shall not apply to:

(A) any firearm, rifle or shotgun manufactured in or prior to the year 1899;

(B) any replica of any firearm, rifle or shotgun described in clause (A) if such replica: (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; and

(C) manufacturers or wholesalers of firearms, rifles, shotguns or machine guns.


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Link Posted: 9/15/2004 1:50:53 PM EST
I am offfering my opinon as this ONLY, not legal advice....

Chapter 140 ss 121 defines assault weapon as follows: "Assault weapon'', shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30), and shall include (yada yada...)

The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act'(18 USC 922) (a) (30) states:
"The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms, known as--
`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
`(iv) Colt AR-15;
`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;"

OF NOTE, the MA law does not explicitly include 18 USC 921 (b) (30), which states:

"(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a bayonet mount;
`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
`(v) a grenade launcher;"

I myself wonder the following:
(1) when a law quotes another law that has sunset, does the quote still have meaning?
A: (my guess is yes, but I am not sure/dont know)
(2) The MA law does not explicitly indicate that 18 USC 921 (b) (30) is part of the MA definition of assault weapon. Was (b) intended to be included in the definition?
A: ( my guess is yes, but I am not sure/don't know)
(3) If (2)'s answer was "yes", intended to be included, does every person need to understand the intent of the law as passed by MA, despite poor explicit wording of the laws?
A: (My guess is no, but I am not sure/dont know)
(4) Since MA sold AR-15 style rifles after this law was passed as long as they complied with 18 USC 921 (b) (30), did this action confirm that (2)'s answer is yes?
A: ( my guess is yes, but I am not sure/don't know)
(5) Where in the law is 'a copy or duplicate of' defined?
A: (my guess is the intent was to make (b) the definiton of 'copy', but I am not sure/don't know

As you can see, I think the only answer to your question is THERE IS NO ANSWER. I believe that case law would have to answer your question. Unfortunately, I (like you I am sure) are law abiding citizen that does not want to chance having our firearms license taken away from us. Until somebody puts a telescoping stock on there AR with a pistol grip and removable mag and it goes to trial, I dont think anybody really knows.

Please reply with comments.


Link Posted: 9/15/2004 2:04:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 2:07:14 PM EST by mudphish]
Since the Federal AWB has sunset then it is no more, correct?

I am now goverened by the MA General Gun Laws which do not say I cant have a telescoping stock, there for I believe I can own one.

We shall see I will take it up with GOAL.

Thanks for taking the time to answer, I will follow up with my findings from GOAL.
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 3:47:51 PM EST
Please post your findings. Your stance makes perfect sense to me, and I would vote along side you in your logic. If they want to outlaw specific items on firearms they should do so expressively in the law. I do know, however, that a lot of laws in MA do not make sense. (If you get a positive response, I too will put a telescoping stock on my AR. ) Thanks.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:17:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2004 3:18:57 AM EST by CFFuts]
I've spoken with GOAL and they confirmed the law is a mess and incomplete. Nevertheless, they gave me the following advice:

If you have a post-ban rifle, you may not add the telescoping stock since the rifle has the detachable magazine and the pistol grip. If you did add the telescoping stock you would have three components and the rifle would be illegal. If you removed the pistol grip or welded the mag in place, then you would be Ok. Simply follow the old Federal ban regulations and you are legal.

If you own a pre-ban rifle, then you may add the telecoping stock.

GOAL's logic: even though the MA law does not identify the components of a rifle that constitute the assault rifle, they felt that you would be still be prosecuted since the MA law refers to the Federal law which had a formal definition of an assault weapon. Assuming you fought and won the case, the state would push your CLEO to revoke your license and you would not legally be able to own a firearm again. While that is not the way it is suppose to work, they pointed out the way the AG banned pistols.....



Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:34:04 AM EST
I dont think this is territory that anyone wants to venture into...

I think the Fed definition will stand... especially in MA.


- BG
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 3:43:16 AM EST
The "new" MA AWB adds "as of September 13, 1994" to those references to federal law. I beleive it's in Chapter 150 of the Acts of 2004 if you want to look it up. They also gave us some grace on when the licenses expire.
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