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Posted: 10/15/2004 4:35:14 AM EDT
Is Sellier Bellot 223 ammo any good? A gun store in my area has a couple of cases and I was thinking about picking up some. Any thoughts on the quality.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:37:06 AM EDT
I've been using it to practice with, it's cheap and has been reliable. My agency says not to use Wolf or Blazer in their pistols, but they don't say not to use S&B.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:45:11 AM EDT
The Houston crew did a submerged water test a while back and S&B went tits up in 24 hrs.

So I would seal it for long term storage. Seems to run a little dirty.

Win and Lake city are so cheep I can’t see using anything else!
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:52:13 AM EDT
You might want to check out the topic that is pinned at the top of this forum:

Ammo Review

This guy has listed the most popular ammo for the ar-15 that is out there and you can see what percentage of people who did not have a problem, had a problem but will continue to use, and had a problem and will not continue to use. Most of them you can go in and acutally read AR-15.com users comments.

I hope that this helps.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:53:49 AM EDT
In 9mm I think it's the best thing going. I also like the fact that they make a different box for all their ammo, so the 9mm boxes are tiny which makes packing them and storing them much easier. I'm actually trying to find some to order right now.

In the AR, I only shoot XM193.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:10:28 AM EDT
Thier 7.62X39 runs great...
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:51:29 AM EDT
I use to run S&B in .45, 9mm and .223, never had any issues with it, it was a bit dirty. I eventually switched off of it jus because I can get walmart 9mm cheaper and im using XM193 in my ARs and got rid of my .45.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 8:55:09 AM EDT
Good ammo never had problem with it. I shoot it in .45 and .223
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:53:51 PM EDT

S&B 223 is a Copper Clad STEEL JACKETED Lead bullet. Hold a magnet to it and the magnet will stick.

This means it is a NO-GO on many ranges when shooting steel targets - the steel jacket tears up the steel targets in a similar manner to SS-109.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:01:28 PM EDT
no problems in 9mm, .45acp and 7.62x39
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:05:27 PM EDT
I've gone thru about 2 cases worth of 55 gr .223 over the last two years and have had no issues.
Accuracy has been very good, dirt level has been about average, and consistency of performance has been on par with FAE and Win. As to the steel bullets, my range doesn't have any steel targets, and as long as I don't do something stupid like fire at the iron target legs, no one is the wiser. Same wisdom applies to using XM855.

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 7:27:53 PM EDT
Shot thousands of S&B 223 have had 2 duds. Have shot thousands of 9 mm with no problems. I switched away from S&B because it is steel jacketed. I did not want any undue wear on my barrel (justified or not I don't know). It runs fine, but is a little dirty.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 9:54:19 PM EDT
I've put almost 2k rounds through mine. First case wasn't a problem. Have been getting some blown primers out of the current case. I'd get it again if the price was right.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 9:58:54 PM EDT
good so far, some say a little dirty but I haven't seen it yet
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 7:18:24 AM EDT
It doesn't go in any of my guns. Too many exploding rifle stories for me to feel cozy about it.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 3:35:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 3:41:52 PM EDT by MrCraigCraig]

Originally Posted By Osprey:
Is Sellier Bellot 223 ammo any good? A gun store in my area has a couple of cases and I was thinking about picking up some. Any thoughts on the quality.


I wrote a review of Sellier & Bellot ammo in the Ammunition Review topic. Because the topic thread is being reconstructed, the archived information for Sellier & Bellot cartridges is currently unavailable.

I've used Sellier & Bellot with the following information on the green box of 20 cartridges.

.223 Remington
(5,56 x 45mm)
Bullet: Type FMJ - M 193/No 2903, Weight 3,6 g 55grs
Primer: 4,4 Boxer

On the inside flap of the box are numbers. I think they're lot numbers.
Stamped numbers: 347/36
Printed numbers: T.C. 0 5271 - 2

Headstamp: S & B, a circle with three points on top, .223 REM
The cartridges do not appear to have sealant around the primer or bullet.

I fired 60 cartridges out of my Bushmaster XM15E2S, with a 20" 1-9 HBAR, during a plinking session to familiarize myself with the ammo. It seemed to shoot to the same point of impact as ammunition I'd already zeroed the rifle with (PMC 55gr.).
I do not remember failures to feed, fire, extract, or eject.

Subjective comments:
- Amount of powder fouling and effort required to clean the rifle seemed normal.
- An odor similar to sulphur, rotten eggs, or as another AR15.com member described it "cat piss". This odor could be smelled on the firing line and during close examination of powder residues while cleaning the rifle. Cleaning the rifle removed the powder fouling and the odor.

I'm willing to use it in the future. It's economical plinking ammo.

I enjoy the price/performance ratio provided by Sellier & Bellot .303British ammunition. The .303British cartridges did not exhibit unusual odors.
I've fired S&B 9mm through pistols rented at an indoor range. Again, S&B ammo performed without hiccups. I did not notice peculiar odors with the 9mm.

In my experience, Sellier & Bellot provided satisfactory performance at an acceptable price.
I plan to try some 62gr "SS109" in the future.


Edited to add: Sellier & Bellot's website is www.sb-usa.com
www.natchezss.com carries a good selection of S&B and other manufacturers.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 6:10:25 PM EDT
I've never had a problem with it, but the shoulder was shaped alot differently than the standard american made ammo. Instead of a more or less straight shoulder with angular bends, it was alot more rounded and instead of angles it had curves. I dont have any pics, but if you compare the S&B to Q3131a you will notice a difference - unless I just got a fex boxes of screwed up rounds.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 7:51:02 PM EDT
No problems with their 7.62x25 pistol ammo....so far.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 7:51:31 PM EDT
I have fired over 6000 rounds without any problems. Good accuracy and works everytime. A bit less expensive that XM193/Q131A so it is a good practice cartridge. It shoots to same point of aim as XM193 at moderate ranges so it is a good practice load to match with my SHTF XM193.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 3:01:58 AM EDT
I tested a few boxes with the following reults. in my 24" RRA Varminter using the 55 grain I averaged 2.09" at 100 yards for four, five shot groups and velocity averaged 3322 fps. The 62 grain averaged 2.3" at 100 yards and velocity was 3242 fps. In my Colt M4geray the 55 grain ran 2.28" at 100 yards, (scope was used) for 3005 fps and the 62 grain 2.86" at 100 at 2890 fps. It was a little dirty. Both X193 and Q3131A were more accurate, however velocity wise S&B was in the neighborhood...just a little slower.
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