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Posted: 3/12/2006 4:38:38 PM EDT
Sunday, March 12, 2006

Hi Guys:

Found a website in Germany that has some interesting items about AR15 rifles. The site is in the German language, but you can figure it out.

www.oberlandarms.com/index.php

Take care and good shooting….

MP5 Machinenpistole
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:42:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 4:49:13 PM EDT by FlyingFive0]
Those prices are amazing! I have seen the site many times. A member here( Frens) visits them and posts photos.

ETA: prices are amazingly high compared to what we pay here for pretty much the same parts. I am not sure what the exchange rate is now but I looked it up a while back.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 4:46:49 PM EDT
Whats the exchange rate for a Euro?
They didn't have them when I was over there.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 5:04:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 5:04:25 PM EDT by BEAMEUP]
1.19390 to the US $
so almost even right now
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 5:11:40 PM EDT
I have been reading some Russian gun boards and folks there bying a staff from Cabela's think it's heck of bargain (Cabela's charges 50% over ther normal prices for international shipments).
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 6:07:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BEAMEUP:
1.19390 to the US $
so almost even right now

Last I checked it was much higher at least I thought it was. I know some of the plain AR15's at the time were about $2500 dollars.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 6:26:49 PM EDT
Damn, that M5 sniper is $4,600 US.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 6:34:45 PM EDT
Get two
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:38:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:48:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
check these items up for sale . . . ?

www.oberlandarms.com/index.php?category=Optionen&id=0&page=

They already have the new ARMS SIR (RIS2)
An EOTech magnifier
a retrofit gas piston for the AR



Why is that?
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:48:42 PM EDT
Ouch. $1600 for a Kimber Eclipse Target II. I thought paying almost $1100 was bad.....

$2400 for a m4gery......

I thought Germany had very strict firearms laws......
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:53:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 7:53:57 PM EDT by boofus]
Aw forget the ARs, I want their AUG. 1,900 euros though, without optics.
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 7:58:53 PM EDT
Lots of neat toys on the website, if only I could read German.....
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:09:42 PM EDT
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love America
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:31:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 8:47:53 PM EDT by BushmasterGuy77]





Nathan
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 8:35:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/12/2006 8:48:14 PM EDT by BushmasterGuy77]
Infact... I just found a pic of one off the ARMs webpage...

www.armsmounts.com/sirSystem.html

Nathan
Link Posted: 3/12/2006 9:38:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
check these items up for sale . . . ?

www.oberlandarms.com/index.php?category=Optionen&id=0&page=

They already have the new ARMS SIR (RIS2)
An EOTech magnifier
a retrofit gas piston for the AR



The gas piston system is made by Leitner-Wise and sold through the Leitner-Wise U.K. to Oberland Arms.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 9:06:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 9:07:08 AM EDT by ManiacRat461]
Originally Posted By sylwesterski:
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love America[/quote]

Me too. I usually thank my ancestors everyday for fighting and dying for what we have.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 9:20:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 9:23:07 AM EDT by Edbert]

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA:
An EOTech magnifier


I had to look...Eotech magnifier

Available next month too.


ETA:

Link Posted: 3/13/2006 10:48:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2006 10:49:15 AM EDT by M4]
Anyone know WTF this sucker is? (The gun, not the bag)

Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:12:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4:
Anyone know WTF this sucker is? (The gun, not the bag)

]www.oberlandarms.com/images/tasmanian/tt_7759.jpg/url]




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Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:27:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sylwesterski:
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love Americahr


I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 12:11:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 223semiauto:

Originally Posted By M4:
Anyone know WTF this sucker is? (The gun, not the bag)

]www.oberlandarms.com/images/tasmanian/tt_7759.jpg/url]




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Never heard of it.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 12:18:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By World:

Originally Posted By sylwesterski:
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love America



I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)



Hell yeah America is the greatest place on Earth!!! We have our fair share of stuff that sucks, but at the end of the day we're still number 1.

Link Posted: 3/13/2006 1:58:02 PM EDT
Not all European countries have that strict gun rules. In Norway, where I live, they're ok enough. Of course I'd like them to be much, much more pro-gun, but this is a liberal country after all, what can you expect. For those of you interested, I've written a bit on how gun laws are here:

First of all, no full-auto weapons are allowed, period.

BB guns was mentioned, here BB guns have no restrictions other than you have to be 18 years or older to buy them. Also, there are no restrictions on "magazine capacity" for any type of weapon.

To obtain real firearms, there are two possibilities.

Option 1:
Join a shooting competition club. After 6 months you are allowed to buy a weapon. There are regular clubs for handguns, .22LR rifles, shotguns and for regular rifles. Almost any pistol/revolver is allowed. Rifles are bolt-action, and should be a competition type. Most popular rifle is the Sauer 200 STR in 6.5x55 SWE, although a few Kongsberg M67 Mausers 6.5x55 are around. As you maybe already understand, for regular rifles the 6.5x55SWE class is what everybody shoots. The .22LR shooters mostly shoot indoors, and with competition-type weapons.

There are lots of rifle/handguns clubs around, especially in, and around population centers. I live on the countryside, and within 45 min driving range there are 2 handgun clubs, one .22LR rifle, two shotgun & regular rifle clubs. The largest cities have clubs who specialize in "Practical Shooting", and after 6 months activity you can buy an AR-15, Steyr AUG, H&K SL8, SIG SG550, Galil and some other semi-autos. You must buy a weapon from a defined list of ca 15 weapons, fair enough. No AK47 though ;)

Reserve army officers are allowed to buy assault-rifles too, but I won't elaborate that here.

Option 2:
In Norway we have long and strong hunting traditions, and after a 30 hour "hunting course" and a test, you are allowed to buy firearms. This course may sound stupid, but in fact you learn a lot about how to hunt, which animals to shoot, how to operate firearms, and more. Interestingly, more and more women take this course and become hunters. Last years local course had 60% women.. guess I'll see a lot of babes in the woods soon heNo restrictions on "military" calibers like .223,308, 30-06 etc, in fact they are the most poular calibers. For semi-autos, you have to choose from a list of about 15 weapons.. yeah here too. Most semi-autos on this list are serious hunting rifles, no assault-rifle lookalikes. We can have Ruger Mini-14s and Mini-30s though h Not too difficult though.



BUT... hat.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 8:01:08 PM EDT


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Originally Posted By 223semiauto:


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Originally Posted By M4:
Anyone know WTF this sucker is? (The gun, not the bag)

]www.oberlandarms.com/images/tasmanian/tt_7759.jpg/url]
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Never heard of it.



Here you go:

world.guns.ru/sniper/sn38-e.htm

Also, tons of other guns.
Link Posted: 3/13/2006 11:15:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MantaRay:
Not all European countries have that strict gun rules.............Silencers are not regulated or registered in any way, buy as many as you'd like. I kinda like that.




Man I really love the U.S. even more. I love the fact I can drive 10 minutes and walk out with a nice Ar15. The only inconvience being the paperwork.

Now the unregulated can is pretty cool though.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 1:05:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By World:
I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)



I'm afraid you haven't done your homework then. I lived in the Netherlands for a while and checked up on what exactly was permitted. You can own (and keep at home) pretty much the same things you can in the US, with the exception of select-fire (can't own it at all), collapsible stocks (never understood this one) and sound suppressors. I visited a range where people were happily blasting away with Norinco AKs, Bushies, and especially the SIG SG551 (yes, i drooled) was very popular.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:38:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MantaRay:
Not all European countries have that strict gun rules. In Norway, where I live, they're ok enough. Of course I'd like them to be much, much more pro-gun, but this is a liberal country after all, what can you expect. For those of you interested, I've written a bit on how gun laws are here:

First of all, no full-auto weapons are allowed, period.

BB guns was mentioned, here BB guns have no restrictions other than you have to be 18 years or older to buy them. Also, there are no restrictions on "magazine capacity" for any type of weapon.

To obtain real firearms, there are two possibilities.

Option 1:
Join a shooting competition club. After 6 months you are allowed to buy a weapon. There are regular clubs for handguns, .22LR rifles, shotguns and for regular rifles. Almost any pistol/revolver is allowed. Rifles are bolt-action, and should be a competition type. Most popular rifle is the Sauer 200 STR in 6.5x55 SWE, although a few Kongsberg M67 Mausers 6.5x55 are around. As you maybe already understand, for regular rifles the 6.5x55SWE class is what everybody shoots. The .22LR shooters mostly shoot indoors, and with competition-type weapons.

There are lots of rifle/handguns clubs around, especially in, and around population centers. I live on the countryside, and within 45 min driving range there are 2 handgun clubs, one .22LR rifle, two shotgun & regular rifle clubs. The largest cities have clubs who specialize in "Practical Shooting", and after 6 months activity you can buy an AR-15, Steyr AUG, H&K SL8, SIG SG550, Galil and some other semi-autos. You must buy a weapon from a defined list of ca 15 weapons, fair enough. No AK47 though ;)

Reserve army officers are allowed to buy assault-rifles too, but I won't elaborate that here.

Option 2:
In Norway we have long and strong hunting traditions, and after a 30 hour "hunting course" and a test, you are allowed to buy firearms. This course may sound stupid, but in fact you learn a lot about how to hunt, which animals to shoot, how to operate firearms, and more. Interestingly, more and more women take this course and become hunters. Last years local course had 60% women.. guess I'll see a lot of babes in the woods soon

Anyway, all normal calibers are allowed, but the authorities have put their evil eye on .50BMG and anything bigger, so thats a no-no.
No restrictions on "military" calibers like .223,308, 30-06 etc, in fact they are the most poular calibers. For semi-autos, you have to choose from a list of about 15 weapons.. yeah here too. Most semi-autos on this list are serious hunting rifles, no assault-rifle lookalikes. We can have Ruger Mini-14s and Mini-30s though

For all weapons, usually you can only own two in each caliber, for each purpose. I.e. If I'm a hunter I can own 2 .22LR rifles, and if I'm a member of a .22LR gun club too, I can own 2 more. Many people own more than 2 for each purpose, it just takes a little bit of work convincing the authorities why you "need" more Not too difficult though.



BUT... Silencers are not regulated or registered in any way, buy as many as you'd like. I kinda like that.



By European standards that's pretty good. Not as good as Finland of course, but better than Sweden.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:44:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kemp:

Originally Posted By World:
I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)



I'm afraid you haven't done your homework then. I lived in the Netherlands for a while and checked up on what exactly was permitted. You can own (and keep at home) pretty much the same things you can in the US, with the exception of select-fire (can't own it at all), collapsible stocks (never understood this one) and sound suppressors. I visited a range where people were happily blasting away with Norinco AKs, Bushies, and especially the SIG SG551 (yes, i drooled) was very popular.



Please IM me, because i am sure that you are not to allow to have guns at home or even own a semi-automatic weapon such as the ar15 and ak47. Believe me, my country sucks!

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:20:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By World:

Originally Posted By sylwesterski:
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love America



I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)




No country is perfect try to move a state that is progun . A state that has no bans , open carry and concealed carry and nfa friendly ..
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:22:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MantaRay:
Not all European countries have that strict gun rules. In Norway, where I live, they're ok enough. Of course I'd like them to be much, much more pro-gun, but this is a liberal country after all, what can you expect. For those of you interested, I've written a bit on how gun laws are here:

First of all, no full-auto weapons are allowed, period.

BB guns was mentioned, here BB guns have no restrictions other than you have to be 18 years or older to buy them. Also, there are no restrictions on "magazine capacity" for any type of weapon.

To obtain real firearms, there are two possibilities.

Option 1:
Join a shooting competition club. After 6 months you are allowed to buy a weapon. There are regular clubs for handguns, .22LR rifles, shotguns and for regular rifles. Almost any pistol/revolver is allowed. Rifles are bolt-action, and should be a competition type. Most popular rifle is the Sauer 200 STR in 6.5x55 SWE, although a few Kongsberg M67 Mausers 6.5x55 are around. As you maybe already understand, for regular rifles the 6.5x55SWE class is what everybody shoots. The .22LR shooters mostly shoot indoors, and with competition-type weapons.

There are lots of rifle/handguns clubs around, especially in, and around population centers. I live on the countryside, and within 45 min driving range there are 2 handgun clubs, one .22LR rifle, two shotgun & regular rifle clubs. The largest cities have clubs who specialize in "Practical Shooting", and after 6 months activity you can buy an AR-15, Steyr AUG, H&K SL8, SIG SG550, Galil and some other semi-autos. You must buy a weapon from a defined list of ca 15 weapons, fair enough. No AK47 though ;)

Reserve army officers are allowed to buy assault-rifles too, but I won't elaborate that here.

Option 2:
In Norway we have long and strong hunting traditions, and after a 30 hour "hunting course" and a test, you are allowed to buy firearms. This course may sound stupid, but in fact you learn a lot about how to hunt, which animals to shoot, how to operate firearms, and more. Interestingly, more and more women take this course and become hunters. Last years local course had 60% women.. guess I'll see a lot of babes in the woods soon

Anyway, all normal calibers are allowed, but the authorities have put their evil eye on .50BMG and anything bigger, so thats a no-no.
No restrictions on "military" calibers like .223,308, 30-06 etc, in fact they are the most poular calibers. For semi-autos, you have to choose from a list of about 15 weapons.. yeah here too. Most semi-autos on this list are serious hunting rifles, no assault-rifle lookalikes. We can have Ruger Mini-14s and Mini-30s though

For all weapons, usually you can only own two in each caliber, for each purpose. I.e. If I'm a hunter I can own 2 .22LR rifles, and if I'm a member of a .22LR gun club too, I can own 2 more. Many people own more than 2 for each purpose, it just takes a little bit of work convincing the authorities why you "need" more Not too difficult though.



BUT... Silencers are not regulated or registered in any way, buy as many as you'd like. I kinda like that.



I like this little update on norway , because of having family there . thanks
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:35:00 AM EDT
Kemps's right,
my dad lives in the Netherlands, and he has an oberland, amongst other things.



Originally Posted By World:

Originally Posted By kemp:

Originally Posted By World:
I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)



I'm afraid you haven't done your homework then. I lived in the Netherlands for a while and checked up on what exactly was permitted. You can own (and keep at home) pretty much the same things you can in the US, with the exception of select-fire (can't own it at all), collapsible stocks (never understood this one) and sound suppressors. I visited a range where people were happily blasting away with Norinco AKs, Bushies, and especially the SIG SG551 (yes, i drooled) was very popular.



Please IM me, because i am sure that you are not to allow to have guns at home or even own a semi-automatic weapon such as the ar15 and ak47. Believe me, my country sucks!


Link Posted: 3/14/2006 7:37:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By World:
Please IM me, because i am sure that you are not to allow to have guns at home or even own a semi-automatic weapon such as the ar15 and ak47. Believe me, my country sucks!




Maybe, with the approval of the mods, it would be interesting to keep the discussion in the thread so that others may learn a bit too. When i was in the Netherlands, a kind owner of a gun club presented me with a document outlining in great detail the guidelines for individual firearms ownership. An updated version of that same document i found here: http://www.justitie.nl/Images/Circulaire%20wapens%20en%20munitie%202005_tcm74-79714.pdf

It's a lenghty read, but good if you want to know your rights.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:51:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 9:53:04 AM EDT by World]

Originally Posted By kemp:

Originally Posted By World:
Please IM me, because i am sure that you are not to allow to have guns at home or even own a semi-automatic weapon such as the ar15 and ak47. Believe me, my country sucks!




Maybe, with the approval of the mods, it would be interesting to keep the discussion in the thread so that others may learn a bit too. When i was in the Netherlands, a kind owner of a gun club presented me with a document outlining in great detail the guidelines for individual firearms ownership. An updated version of that same document i found here: http://www.justitie.nl/Images/Circulaire%20wapens%20en%20munitie%202005_tcm74-79714.pdf

It's a lenghty read, but good if you want to know your rights. hr


I am reading this: automatic or even weapons which are made to fire automatic are forbidden. Carry a gun is also forbidden it says (Dutch: Op grond van artikel 27, eerste lid, van de WWM is het verboden om een wapen te dragen).

And check this out, it says that airsoft guns are forbidden.

PS: Can you talk dutch? It would make it alot more easier so whe can use IM messages
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:12:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By World:

Please IM me, because i am sure that you are not to allow to have guns at home or even own a semi-automatic weapon such as the ar15 and ak47. Believe me, my country sucks!




At least you can still have bolt guns. In East Asia (except Thailand), guns are under such a restriction that Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and PRC are all supposedly "gun-free society". Guess who have guns other than government property............
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 1:28:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By World:
I am reading this: automatic or even weapons which are made to fire automatic are forbidden. Carry a gun is also forbidden it says (Dutch: Op grond van artikel 27, eerste lid, van de WWM is het verboden om een wapen te dragen).

And check this out, it says that airsoft guns are forbidden.

PS: Can you talk dutch? It would make it alot more easier so whe can use IM messages hr


I can read dutch, but i can't type it well. Anyway, indeed AUTOMATIC weapons ('category II') are prohibited, but SEMI-automatic weapons aren't. And if they were, this store i visited on multiple occasions, should be very illegal: http://www.munts.nl/main.html :D
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:20:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 223semiauto:

Originally Posted By M4:
Anyone know WTF this sucker is? (The gun, not the bag)

]www.oberlandarms.com/images/tasmanian/tt_7759.jpg/url]




AMP DSR-1



FUGLY as hell.
The extra mag holder is a bit odd forward of the trigger...and a bullpup sniper rifle?!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:26:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By World:

Originally Posted By sylwesterski:
I originally come from central Europe and owing an AR-15 over there is almost for the rich, ammo is super expansive and hard to find.
In some countrys in Europe you must have a permit for simple BB gun, so I can not even imagine what type of paper work you must go through to own an AR.

That is why I love America



I live in The Netherlands (on the left of Germany) but BB guns are here forbidden and shooting is a taboe! Automatic rifles are forbidden to. You only can own a small pistol for sportshooting, but they won't allow you to take it home. By the way, last time there was someone who used his gun for home defense and he get 3 years of jail time. That is why i hate Europa and love Amerika. But over 4 years i will move to the states, and be become a proud American! And hopely forget Europa very fast. I think i just been born in the wrong country! (got already a super large American flag hanning on my wall!)



Come to Arizona; great climate and there are lots of fully automatic weapons, supressors, etc here!
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