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Posted: 11/1/2009 7:40:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/1/2009 7:58:33 AM EST by ckrockets]
I don't believe the military would be allowed to use this type of projectiles, treaties and such. I can't see any legitimate reason law enforcement should ever use these type of projectiles .

Now civillian sales that would be just fine in my book . But of course they only sell to LE/.MIL, there should be no laws prohibiting them from selling these projectiles not loaded ammo to civilians, just the PC thing to do...






http://www.thehuntingshack.com/catalog/copper.htm
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 8:47:33 AM EST
Interesting.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 10:33:55 AM EST
Looks similar to the nose configuration on M855A1 LFS...
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:04:26 PM EST
Interesting, I am fairly certain that would not be considered armor piercing according to federal law. Should be perfectly legal to sell to civilians if they wanted to. Unless, that is, the BATF considers a steel penetrator to be the "core" of the bullet and I could see them doing something stupid like that.

"18 USC sec. 921(a)(17):
"(B) The term `armor piercing ammunition' means-

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and
which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other
substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass,
bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and
intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25
percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term `armor piercing ammunition' does not include shotgun shot
required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting
purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile
which the Secretary finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting
purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Secretary
finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge
used in an oil and gas well perforating device."
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 8:32:13 PM EST
Those exposed steel penetrators look like they might seriously wreak havoc on most feed ramps.
I like the Glass Penetrator bullets though.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 5:48:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 5:50:08 AM EST by DevL]
Originally Posted By ckrockets:
I don't believe the military would be allowed to use this type of projectiles, treaties and such. I can't see any legitimate reason law enforcement should ever use these type of projectiles .

Now civillian sales that would be just fine in my book . But of course they only sell to LE/.MIL, there should be no laws prohibiting them from selling these projectiles not loaded ammo to civilians, just the PC thing to do...


http://www.thehuntingshack.com/images/LAP.JPG



http://www.thehuntingshack.com/catalog/copper.htm



What do you mean "there should there be no laws from selling these projectiles not loaded to civilians?" I agree there SHOULD be no law... but there is. The bullet itself is considered AP handgun ammo, even not loaded as complete ammo and even if not to be used in a handgun. THerefore no FFL can sell it to any civilian.

"Lead and tungsten free copper-nickel alloy body with a hardened tool steel penetrator tip."
It wpuld be AP if it will penetrate armor. Thats how the ATF will see it, period.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:20:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By DevL:
Originally Posted By ckrockets:
I don't believe the military would be allowed to use this type of projectiles, treaties and such. I can't see any legitimate reason law enforcement should ever use these type of projectiles .

Now civillian sales that would be just fine in my book . But of course they only sell to LE/.MIL, there should be no laws prohibiting them from selling these projectiles not loaded ammo to civilians, just the PC thing to do...


http://www.thehuntingshack.com/images/LAP.JPG



http://www.thehuntingshack.com/catalog/copper.htm



What do you mean "there should there be no laws from selling these projectiles not loaded to civilians?" I agree there SHOULD be no law... but there is. The bullet itself is considered AP handgun ammo, even not loaded as complete ammo and even if not to be used in a handgun. THerefore no FFL can sell it to any civilian.

"Lead and tungsten free copper-nickel alloy body with a hardened tool steel penetrator tip."
It wpuld be AP if it will penetrate armor. Thats how the ATF will see it, period.



The federal law is posted above, please reference the part of it that would define this particular bullet as armor piercing.
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