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Posted: 9/7/2003 7:03:22 PM EDT
I have an inexpensive (cheap!) AR I built, and right now there is a compact ACOG sitting on it. The optic is worth more than the rifle, and not in line with my inexpensive motif. Does anyone make a quality (as in not junk or airsoft) red dot that goes for say, $100 give or take?
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 7:24:42 PM EDT
I had really good luck with Tasco Propoint, you should be able to find some for the price you are asking.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 7:33:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2003 7:34:59 PM EDT by SGB]
I have a Tasco Pro Point on a 12ga slug gun and it's held up well. [url=http://www.cdnninvestments.com/taspropplus3.html]CDNN[/url] [img]http://store3.yimg.com/I/cdnn_1753_9746285[/img]
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 7:58:41 PM EDT
I agree. Had a Pro-Point on my M1A for a long time, and many rounds. No problems whatsoever.
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 9:03:08 PM EDT
Thanks guys. I starting wondering about the Tasco Pro Point, then wondered if they were even still made. After reading the replies, I went and looked and found some sources. Thanks SGB, I see that CDNN is selling them for about $70, and with the responses I am now confident they are not junk and will be able to stand up to the recoil. PERFECT! [bounce]
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 9:09:56 PM EDT
I have a family member that has had an Ultradot on his FAL for years and it's held up fine. Good gear at a decent price. Shop around, Ive seen them for less than $100. [url=http://www.ultradotusa.com/]Ultradot[/url]
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 9:23:15 PM EDT
Lumpy, thanks for the tip on the Ultradot. It looks like a decent unit, about $45 more. Will do some auction searches and see what I find. I was just looking at my CDNN catalog, under the Tasco ProPoint there are some "Target Sports" red dots, print says they are made in the same plant as the Tasco ProPoint. Get this: three models of this Target Sports units go for $29.99, $24.99, and $18.99. YIKES! At those prices I am highly suspect of the quality and endurance. [>:/] Unless I find an Ultradot or other more expensive unit on sale or auction for much cheaper than list price, I think I am going to have to go with the ProPoint. The Tasco unit has a history, and to get the approval of ARF members such as SMGLee, it's got to be worthy. I don't think I can beat the $69.99 NIB price!
Link Posted: 9/7/2003 11:18:13 PM EDT
I still have my first red dot, a 10 moa dot Tasco Propoint (PDP3?) that I bought on 1993. Mounted on various guns from .45s, 12 gauges and for the last two years on a crossbow, never had a problem.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 5:15:53 AM EDT
AK_Mike, Be aware, the PDP6 pictured in this thread above has a 10MOA dot, from what I remember doing researcn on the ProPoint series a while back. I ended up buying a PDP3 (4MOA dot), and it's great for all my rifles. At 10 MOA, I'd say stay away from the PDP6, as the dot would completely cover a 10" circle at 100 yds. These sights were created for pistol maches, or very close work.
Link Posted: 9/8/2003 12:00:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2003 12:02:32 PM EDT by AK_Mike]
Yeah, I noticed the 10 MOA. I am still thinking about that. The other three cheapo's I mentioned have smaller dots: 5MOA and 4MOA, and one is even sold with a carry handle mount as an AR15 package - but the really low price still scares me when I think of what kind of quality could they be at that price. The prices are so low with CDNN's red dot sale, I was going to get one of each of the 4 (or 5), just to play with in any case. One will go nice on a Ruger 10/22 I have. Edited to add: The rifle in question will not be a long distance rifle, more like 100 yards or less, point shooting. Anything more and I would stay with my Aimpoint, ACOGS, or scopes - so 10MOA might possibly be acceptable - or not! Choices! Decisions! ARRGH! [banghead]
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 11:16:16 AM EDT
I've had good luck with Millet Redots @ $100. I have used the 30mm version on a variety of firearms with no problems. It has a 5 moa dot which permits reasonable 100 yd results. In my experience, you can hit a 12" plate @ 150 yds with a 5 moa dot.
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 11:28:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2003 11:33:07 AM EDT by AK_Mike]
BillL223, thanks for the tip! I was still trying to convince myself that a 10MOA dot was usable. I still want to stay at $100 or less, and it looks like the Millet fits the the bill. I may even be able to find a used one for sale! [:D] Ah heck, I just checked prices: The 5MOA is about $160 new.
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 1:24:28 PM EDT
I'm probably going to get flamed for this but... I have a Russian Kobra on my flattop Bushy. Although it sits too high for a cowitness, it is a great reflex red dot. The dot is small enough for precision work and the other reticles work well too. I put it on just because I had it lying around and now, it has been on my gun for about 4 months. Plus, you can get them for less than $150
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 4:22:21 PM EDT
One of the local dealers sells ADCO red dots. I don't know much about them, but they're in your price range.
Link Posted: 9/10/2003 4:32:56 PM EDT
Anyone try the redding that Natchez has for $99.00? I am looking for one to put on a levergun and it has a slightly more traditional look to it. Bob (Scroll down) [url]http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=a-7002&category=Optics&maxhits=20&keywords=reddotsale[/url] [img]http://www.natchezss.com/cartimages/SN800629.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 1:54:40 AM EDT
Bushnell Holosight II or Aimpoint CompM Both cheaper than an Eotech or CompM2
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 10:26:12 AM EDT
Hell with it, I am going to go ahead and try some of these $19-$30 red dots for sale at CDNN. I let you all know how they held up...
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 2:16:22 PM EDT
http://www.bushnell.com/productinfo/riflescopes/trophy.html bushnell also have a couple red dots. i have the multi reticle one on a gooseneck mount. it cowitness perfectly and is well built. also it came with a great little screw on filter for bright sunlight.
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 5:55:00 PM EDT
Hey AKmike DO NOT waste your money on a cheap red dot from cdnn.I bought one for my sons 22 and it will not even come close to sighting in it shoots a different place every time you squeze the trigger.Its a total piece of shit.
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 8:16:32 PM EDT
Mike I have three 10 moa red dots.The first one is a Tasco PDP4 that came with my M16.Ilike ed it so much that I bought to Aimpoint's with 10 moa dots.I use them on my 9mm and my 10"DEV Group uppers.The bigger dot is a lot faster at short ranges.SJR556.
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 8:25:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2003 8:26:02 PM EDT by AK_Mike]
Originally Posted By luv2shoot: Hey AKmike DO NOT waste your money on a cheap red dot from cdnn.I bought one for my sons 22 and it will not even come close to sighting in it shoots a different place every time you squeze the trigger.Its a total piece of shit.
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[:O] Wow, thanks for the warning! I didn't think they would really hold up to .223, even though they sell one as a package, but I was planning on using them on some .22's. Do you know exactly which model you bought? Perhaps these are not the same.
Link Posted: 9/11/2003 10:17:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2003 8:33:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CSGunWorkscom: I have gotten low end products for myself and I end up replacing them with what I really want in the first place. So in the process of trying to saving money I actually end up spending more and getting stuck with an item no wants to buy. Call me I will do my best to answer any of your questions. Thank you for your time.
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[/b] I totally agree. Anymore, from lessons learned, if I go cheap on something, I go cheap on socks and hamburgers, not my gear. With that said, however, I bought my Pro-Point in 98-99 as a novelty more or less. Just so happens that it has always worked and is still holding up, even after recoil from a .308. For about the first 8-months, or so, I left it on constatntly, no problems. Maybe they've dropped the quality some on their products, I don't know...
Link Posted: 9/12/2003 9:09:07 AM EDT
Mike, The scope I bought is a target sports 1x30 and its a POS wont even handle a 22.
Link Posted: 9/12/2003 9:27:46 AM EDT
luv2shoot, thanks for the information. Damn. Well, csgunworks, you'll probably be getting a call from me today! I can't recall hearing much bad about Simmons. Hey wait, that's my name! How can I go wrong...
Link Posted: 9/15/2003 2:40:11 PM EDT
2Manchu- Cheap on socks?????????Never!!!!!!! rather have cheap boots and good socks than good boots and cheap socks!!!!!!!! But then again I have an eotech on a Model One and a Simmons on my boltgun!
Link Posted: 9/17/2003 9:04:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2003 9:07:19 PM EDT by AK_Mike]
Heck, just ran across another tempting unit. BSA 30mm ($45) and 45mm ($60). Anyone try these yet? [img]http://www.lippman-enterprises.com/art/bsard30mm.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 9/18/2003 6:51:46 PM EDT
The BSA sucks. the dot is small and not so bright. Mine is sitting in the tool box now. I won't be using it again. I am looking at the ATN Ultrasite at Sports Authority for $124.99 w/free shipping.
Link Posted: 9/18/2003 8:56:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sobrbiker883: 2Manchu- Cheap on socks?????????Never!!!!!!! rather have cheap boots and good socks than good boots and cheap socks!!!!!!!!
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[/b] Actually...I prefer NO socks. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/19/2003 2:59:12 PM EDT
Here's a moderately priced, but very useful red dot from Bushnell, available at Cabela's for about $110. Bushnell Trophy Multi-Reticle Red Dot Scope Item: ID-711540 Price: $109.99 http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jhtml?id=0015003711540a&navAction=jump&navCount=0&indexId=&podId=0015003&catalogCode=ID&parentId=&parentType=&rid=&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fitem-link.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=search&hasJS=true It has multiple reticles (which means it's probably made by Hakko in Japan) with the smallest being a 3MOA dot.
Link Posted: 9/19/2003 4:21:04 PM EDT
Thanks for the tip, Rhino. I went ahead and took csgunworks offer on the Simmons unit, will let everyone know how it worked out. At $110, I would just buy the Ultradot, Lippman Enterprises is selling them at that price, which is what I will get if the Simmons doesn't work out.
Link Posted: 9/19/2003 4:57:32 PM EDT
IM Sent............[8D]
Link Posted: 9/19/2003 5:14:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2003 12:38:50 PM EDT by imposter]
Originally Posted By rhino_: Here's a moderately priced, but very useful red dot from Bushnell, available at Cabela's for about $110. Bushnell Trophy Multi-Reticle Red Dot Scope Item: ID-711540 Price: $109.99 [http://www.cabelas.com/] It has multiple reticles (which means it's probably made by Hakko in Japan) with the smallest being a 3MOA dot.
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I just got one today for a muzzle loader. Midsouthshooterssupply had them for $72 and Windeners had them for $52 but they were out of stock. I was going to try it out tomorrow on a 22 to see if the zero changes when you change recticles. The sight picture has a bluish tint, and it is not as bright as an Aimpoint or Eotech. Nor can the dot be made as bright. But it sure beats the Trijicon Reflex II! It is made in Korea. Edited to add: changing the recticles does indeed change the zero, about 1-4". Worse yet, when you change the recticle and then change it back, zero is again changed a bit. It was nice to be able to switch recticles to see which was more accurate. It surprised me how nice the bullseye/Eotech type recticle was. I shot my best groups with that. The bullseye also has the advantage of being easy to see, which is important given that the recticles is not as bright as a Eotech or Aimpoint. That is the recticle I am going to go with. Also surprising was that the crosshair recticle was not all that accurate.
Link Posted: 9/19/2003 5:51:37 PM EDT
Kobra with weaver mount, 1.8moa dot, about $130. Tough enough for many rounds on my FAL.
Link Posted: 9/22/2003 6:52:53 PM EDT
I just ordered a Tasco Propoint 42mm objective w/ 5 MOA dot for $44.97 from Sportsmans Guide. Non Guide members price is $49.97. Pretty good price I think. Never had a ProPoint but I thought at that price, I'd try it out.
Link Posted: 9/24/2003 10:10:12 AM EDT
Anyone have experience with the ATN Ultra sight?
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