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Posted: 8/28/2005 9:33:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 4:31:33 PM EDT by Linea_de_Fuego]
Which style would it be?
I bet this has been posed before, but I don't know the results.

ETA
Sorry about the confusion.
By carbine, I do mean carbine gas system and handguard.
By recce, I do mean the mid length gas system on a carbine 16 inches or less.
By midlength, I mean the gas system on a carbine.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:35:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Linea_de_Fuego:
Which style would it be?
I bet this has been posed before, but I don't know the results.



my first was a carbine because it looked so cool. I mean UGLY
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:39:27 AM EDT
a 14.5" M4
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:40:11 AM EDT
I am building a recce,
(And barring one piece it is assembled)

And I must say, the more I play with it the more I like it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:50:43 AM EDT
I just returned from testing my most recent build: a RR 1/9 chromelined midlength with Aimpoint. It was the shitznit. I threw a scope on it at the 60 round mark. With a hot barrel, I averaged five shot groups of 1 1/4" at 50 yards and that was without freefloat handguards.

I've built several carbines, but I like the mid length a lot more for the longer sight radius and smoother running.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:58:55 AM EDT
For a 1 gun "All Arounder"?...imnsho?...nuth'in beats a well tuned 5.56/.223 M4 Type CARBINE....light to carry, compact, fast-handling yet plenty accurate and effective out to 300 meters or so....which makes the M4 type CARBINE my top pick.

L8R, Bill.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:00:46 AM EDT
I'd have a RECCE carbine with a midlength gas system. Too bad it's not a poll choice.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:00:57 AM EDT
A full auto...
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:11:03 AM EDT
Rifle. Extra volocity, better sight radius, less recoil than a carbine, and a longer range. As far as length is concerned, it isn't as long and cumbersome as people say it is. I must admit, the carbine does have a better "feel" to it. It depends more on your needs than our opinions. If you will never shoot more than 200 yards, if you want to clear rooms easily, and you want it really light, get the carbine. If you plan on shooting longer distances, want to double tap easier, want a longer sight radius for more accuracy, and don't mind a little extra wieght, get a rifle.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:15:19 AM EDT
A Barrett Model M468-LE Select Fire 6.8 mm SPC Rifle (CAR stock model).


www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:33:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 10:34:28 AM EDT by DevL]
An SBR which I am unsure if it should go under carbine which implies a 16" or M4 style carbine.

To be even more specific a Leitner Wise piston driven carbine.

It has the best set of features for my use which is intended for LE/self defense use. It can be used or deployed from an automobile the best. Its the best indoors for maneuverability. It has low recoil, wont spit gas in your face with a suppressor, is more relibale and longer lasting than a standard carbine, etc.

As fas as velocity? For self defense or LE use a barrel longer than 11.5" is not needed. I only use 75 grain OTM so a 50+ yard fragmentation floor is far enough that will never be an issue. The longest sniper shooting in the US was under 150 yards if I am not mistaken. It was a head shot and the SBR is capable of making that shot as well with the appropriate, quality barrel.

To me anything longer is dedicated for hunting or military use and is unecessarily long and bulky with no real benefits for the LE/self defense role or your state does not allow SBR and you are stuck with 14.5" with perm flash hider or 16" carbines which is a distant second choice.

PS: An AR is not an AR if its select fire guys.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 11:43:55 AM EDT
20" Rifle

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:09:11 PM EDT
Rifle

Especially an SP1 or M16a1 clone. Barrel length and performance of a rifle with the weight of a carbine.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:09:26 PM EDT
Only 1? h1 spr (although I think I want a mk12mod0 and a mk12 mod1)


Does that count?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:21:00 PM EDT
16"

best overall combination for all purposes
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:29:20 PM EDT
I only have one AR, so I can definitely answer....

16" Bushy HBar.
Magpul stock.
Larue Carbine length ras.
Larue BUIS as the rear sight.
Las/Tac Laser.... just for bling/impress the friends

Very light, but can sustain long strings of fire well.

Have a good one.

S
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:35:52 PM EDT
If I only had one AR, I would have to buy at least one more.

Seriously though, I woudl get a 16" mid-length.

BTW, your poll doesn't really make sense. It's difficult to tell whether you're referring to gas systems, bbl lengths, or rifle styles.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:36:45 PM EDT
16" midlength. I used to favor the 20" A2 but this Cav upper has won me over. Mine is setup with a YHM freefloat rail and and flip up buis topped with an Eotech 512. Love it, my favorite rifle ever.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:39:05 PM EDT
IMHO, I think the mid-length gas sytem 16" gun is ideal.

I have used the 16" carbine alot, and have no problem going through the door with it. My one complaint is the short handguard and short sight radius. The mid-length gas system fixes both of these "problems."

I don't know if the longer gas tube makes it run smoother/better - but I have never had a failure with a 16" carbine.

My next AR (I had to make sure my wife wasn't looking as I typed this) is going to be a 16" mid-length gun. Probably RRA (I have a Colt, an Armalite, and a DPMS gun - so why not go with those guys).

Anyway, I hope I never have to just have one AR. I cried a little when I thought about that. I'm an emotional guy. I think I need a drink
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:41:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stainless:
I only have one AR, so I can definitely answer....

16" Bushy HBar.
Magpul stock.
Larue Carbine length ras.
Larue BUIS as the rear sight.
Las/Tac Laser.... just for bling/impress the friends

Very light, but can sustain long strings of fire well.

Have you weighed your rifle? I'd bet it's around 8-8.5 lbs, maybe even a little more. Now while you may find that it is very light for you, that configuration is definitely not considered "light" in comparision to a bare bones stock M-4.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 12:51:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matt_B:

Originally Posted By Stainless:
I only have one AR, so I can definitely answer....

16" Bushy HBar.
Magpul stock.
Larue Carbine length ras.
Larue BUIS as the rear sight.
Las/Tac Laser.... just for bling/impress the friends

Very light, but can sustain long strings of fire well.

Have you weighed your rifle? I'd bet it's around 8-8.5 lbs, maybe even a little more. Now while you may find that it is very light for you, that configuration is definitely not considered "light" in comparision to a bare bones stock M-4.



Just got off the scale....

Stainless and his rifle are 253. Just Stainless is 244. So yes, you are right... prob around 9 pounds.

This thing, to me, is a million pounds lighter than its last "configuration"... 20" Hbar, Troy rifle ras. etc etc. Hell, i think i even posted about it.. "Help, i have a 13 pound AR" I think that was the topic.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:07:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stainless:
[Just got off the scale....Stainless and his rifle are 253. Just Stainless is 244. So yes, you are right... prob around 9 pounds. This thing, to me, is a million pounds lighter than its last "configuration"... 20" Hbar, Troy rifle ras. etc etc. Hell, i think i even posted about it.. "Help, i have a 13 pound AR" I think that was the topic.

Knowing that, I can understand why you think that's a light rifle. My 16" mid-length (similar set-up as your but Govt profile bbl and Aimpoint M3) weighs in a 8.4 unloaded and to me, that is a manageable weight thought I'm still going to build a super-light weight (6.5 lbs) someday.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 1:23:11 PM EDT by WIZZO_ARAKM14]
Well, It's almost a toss-up for me.

The middy beats out a 20" A2 w/gov't profile by a hair.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:29:45 PM EDT
14.5 HB A3 colapseable stock.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 1:55:23 PM EDT

BTW, your poll doesn't really make sense. It's difficult to tell whether you're referring to gas systems, bbl lengths, or rifle styles.


I did edit to clarify the question, but I could not edit the poll directly.

ETA
Sorry about the confusion.
By recce, I do mean the mid length gas system on a carbine 16 inches or less.
By midlength, I mean the gas system on a carbine.

The overwhelming response has been for a carbine over a rifle.

I can see the wisdom of using a midlength gas system with a midlength or rifle length hand guard.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:05:36 PM EDT
Other:

My next build, an A2 Dissy with collapsing stock.

No Expert
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:07:46 PM EDT
Dissy A3.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:31:27 PM EDT
Other: Dissy A3, collapsible stock.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:43:27 PM EDT
An A2 Gov Profile.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:46:16 PM EDT
My vote is carbine........just good all around in my opinion.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:53:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 3:22:21 PM EDT by edgrim]
I have a carbine but next up I think I'll try a mid length 13.6 bbl and kronk FH sounds sweet anyway.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 2:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
A full auto...



+1
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:38:55 PM EDT
Rifle. I like the longer sight radius and more bullet speed. It's not that heavy or awkward.

But I'm glad I can have the rifle and the carbine too.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:10:30 PM EDT
Middle one
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:11:51 PM EDT
My only AR is a Bushmaster A2 carbine w/ a heavy barrel, birdcage supressor, bayo-lug, foregrip w/rail, and a 6 pos. Bushmaster stock. I'm satisfied with it. It's accurate, reliable, and darn sexay. But, if I could change it, I'd have it be a flattop so I can put more trinkets and baubles on it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:29:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By underdog75:
Middle one
users.adelphia.net/~masine/HH7.jpg



What does the middle one do the left one does not?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:38:22 PM EDT
Colt LE6920 with an ACOG and a can.

Didn't we just have this thread last week?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:38:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:

Originally Posted By underdog75:
Middle one
users.adelphia.net/~masine/HH7.jpg



What does the middle one do the left one does not?



No.1 Balances perfect.
No.2 Extends the frag range of 5.56 a bit.... Back up off me zombies!
and No.3 It gives me wood, caus its so pretty.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 11:12:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 11:13:32 PM EDT by ManiacRat461]
Well, I only have one so it would be it . Bushy A2 rifle. But, I do have pieces of a xm177ish franken carbine I am ever so slowly putting together.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 11:14:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
A Barrett Model M468-LE Select Fire 6.8 mm SPC Rifle (CAR stock model).


www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm




Id take you out like Tuesdays trash after you burned up all 5 rounds you have.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:38:19 AM EDT
MRP 16" 12" rail reconish
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:34:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Gumby:

Originally Posted By Alpha-Romeo3:
A Barrett Model M468-LE Select Fire 6.8 mm SPC Rifle (CAR stock model).


www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm




Id take you out like Tuesdays trash after you burned up all 5 rounds you have.


The 6.8 mm should not be too bad like my 7.62 X 39 mm AKs, SKS, .308 and 30-06 M1 Garand.

Well this is just a "What if" thread but I'm really planning on building another brand 6.8 mm SPC upper/ rifle when the ammo is more available.

Most dealers are saying they should have plenty of 6.8 mm ammo by October. I'll have to wait and see if what they say is true.

Maybe I'll get a case or two by then.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:05:57 PM EDT
A mid length RECCE Dissy.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:53:01 PM EDT
reece.

kind of an all-in-one gun if you ask me.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:32:05 PM EDT
Midlenght due to versitlity
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:48:07 PM EDT
A3 16" carbine with a rifle length JP FF tube and a collapsable stock - Aimpoint on the rail.

However, I recently built a 20" flattop upper with an A1 pencil barrrel, 1/12 twist, with a Accuracy Speaks ff tube. It's a great rifle to shoot, balences well for me and is not too heavy.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:35:47 PM EDT
M14


Ohhhhh


You did say AR.


Still M14
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 1:44:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2005 2:17:09 AM EDT by glck32]
One vote for the Rifle : Formerly a Bushmaster A2 hbar reprofiled by Kurts Kustom Firearms cut to an 18 inch government profile barrel w/A2 flash hider. Equipped with a RockRiver 2 stage trigger. Lightweight , longer than a 16 , higher velocity than a 16 and better looks than an m4 . Damn accurate and it's my rifle !
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 3:21:11 AM EDT
My A2 Bushmaster 14.5" 1/9 HBAR Q3131A blaster.

Link Posted: 8/30/2005 3:25:36 AM EDT
CArbine. Light bullets , light rifle. Why add all the extra weight for such a small bullet.? It was designed for light weight to start with.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 4:58:55 AM EDT
If I could only have one... It would be a AR15A1....... Light accurate and reliable.. What Eugene Stoner wanted in his teams design....... WarDawg
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