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Posted: 8/4/2005 1:35:12 PM EDT

I dont understand how people who do serious field work can trust a lever on there weapon. My eotech larue eotech mount came right off when I tried to go through some bad brush last weekend I really like the mount so I secured the lever on the mount with some zip ties but damn that kind of defeats the purpose of the mount.

I rememeber one time at fort hood I walked maybe fifteen meters into some really thick brush and the brush pulled my canteens and my NVG case right off my ALICE gear I had that shit taped to the belt too so I guess I should know better.

Posted: 8/4/2005 1:37:37 PM EDT

[#1]

How tight were your levers?

Posted: 8/4/2005 1:39:05 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
How tight were your levers?

I torqued the nut on the mount pretty good when I installed it. Hard enough so as to wonder if I was damaging the surefire rail system

Posted: 8/4/2005 1:40:46 PM EDT

[#3]

Grant says if you can lock it with one hand, your LaRue lever is not tight enough.

Posted: 8/4/2005 1:48:31 PM EDT

[#4]

And if you're really nervouse about it - LaRue is now offering a new locking lever for extra security.

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:05:05 PM EDT

[#5]

Funny that lever tightened QD scope mounts that I am familiar with for hunting rifles never come lose and they get does after dose of recoil FAR more severe than a 223 can provide. They also seen plenty of field usein all terrains.

Lever mount problems are usually operator error.

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:14:09 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Grant says if you can lock it with one hand, your LaRue lever is not tight enough.

Yes, flipping a LaRue lever is suppose to hurt your hand. If it doesn't, its not tight enough.

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:15:55 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Funny that lever tightened QD scope mounts that I am familiar with for hunting rifles never come lose and they get does after dose of recoil FAR more severe than a 223 can provide. They also seen plenty of field usein all terrains.

Lever mount problems are usually operator error.

I dont know what mount you are using but some branches wanked my eotech mount right off my weapon. I had that mount so torqued that it left a groove in my rail system.

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:17:07 PM EDT

[#8]

Use the nut to adjust the distance between the lever and the rail - not the tightness of the nut after closing the lever.

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:17:50 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Grant says if you can lock it with one hand, your LaRue lever is not tight enough.

Yes, flipping a LaRue lever is suppose to hurt your hand. If it doesn't, its not tight enough.

I had it torqued so much that I left grooves in my Rail. It was a bitch to push on yes but it still fell off

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:20:39 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Use the nut to adjust the distance between the lever and the rail - not the tightness of the nut after closing the lever.

Hey i stand corrected as soon as I get home I will try that I am concerned that it will damage the rail or the mount because it left grooves in my rail. Is that normal?

Posted: 8/4/2005 2:49:09 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Funny that lever tightened QD scope mounts that I am familiar with for hunting rifles never come lose and they get does after dose of recoil FAR more severe than a 223 can provide. They also seen plenty of field usein all terrains.

Lever mount problems are usually operator error.
I dont know what mount you are using but some branches wanked my eotech mount right off my weapon. I had that mount so torqued that it left a groove in my rail system.

Leupold PRW and Warne Maxima QD rings mated with a 1913 rail.

Posted: 8/4/2005 3:15:14 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
I dont understand how people who do serious field work can trust a lever on there weapon. My eotech larue eotech mount came right off when I tried to go through some bad brush last weekend I really like the mount so I secured the lever on the mount with some zip ties but damn that kind of defeats the purpose of the mount.

I rememeber one time at fort hood I walked maybe fifteen meters into some really thick brush and the brush pulled my canteens and my NVG case right off my ALICE gear I had that shit taped to the belt too so I guess I should know better.

LaRue has fixed this problem with their new line of mounts for the Aimpoint. They also fixed the problem where some Aimpoints would "rock" while in the rings by creating an easier mount to produce lessening the risk of this occuring. They are availibe from C4iGrant. They have also fixed many other problems and the new mounts are even better than the older ones which were already great! I love my older one and the new ones improve upon already near perfection. My mount though, doesn't come off easy at all it is reall hard to get off.

Posted: 8/4/2005 3:17:25 PM EDT

[#13]

they are called zip ties. ... Also Dummy cords.

Posted: 8/4/2005 3:19:55 PM EDT

[#14]

some of the levers were out-of-spec. maybe you have one from the bad batch. give Larue a call and they'll replace it.

Posted: 8/4/2005 3:26:41 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Use the nut to adjust the distance between the lever and the rail - not the tightness of the nut after closing the lever.
Hey i stand corrected as soon as I get home I will try that I am concerned that it will damage the rail or the mount because it left grooves in my rail. Is that normal?

I've run my LaRue stuff and a lot others through some real tough sh**, with no problems as described. The only thing that has been replaced as a result is my Harris bipod. It got hung up on an quick egress big time in some medium/heavy foliage. Caught in the exposed springs.

ETA: Yes, this was a MR class. In the real world, I would be KIA as a result.

Posted: 8/4/2005 6:12:26 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I dont understand how people who do serious field work can trust a lever on there weapon. My eotech larue eotech mount came right off when I tried to go through some bad brush last weekend I really like the mount so I secured the lever on the mount with some zip ties but damn that kind of defeats the purpose of the mount.

I rememeber one time at fort hood I walked maybe fifteen meters into some really thick brush and the brush pulled my canteens and my NVG case right off my ALICE gear I had that shit taped to the belt too so I guess I should know better.

RTFM!!!

C4

Posted: 8/4/2005 6:16:48 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I dont understand how people who do serious field work can trust a lever on there weapon. My eotech larue eotech mount came right off when I tried to go through some bad brush last weekend I really like the mount so I secured the lever on the mount with some zip ties but damn that kind of defeats the purpose of the mount.

I rememeber one time at fort hood I walked maybe fifteen meters into some really thick brush and the brush pulled my canteens and my NVG case right off my ALICE gear I had that shit taped to the belt too so I guess I should know better.

LaRue has fixed this problem with their new line of mounts for the Aimpoint. They also fixed the problem where some Aimpoints would "rock" while in the rings by creating an easier mount to produce lessening the risk of this occuring. They are availibe from C4iGrant. They have also fixed many other problems and the new mounts are even better than the older ones which were already great! I love my older one and the new ones improve upon already near perfection. My mount though, doesn't come off easy at all it is reall hard to get off.

There was no problem. The military asked LT to add a locking system to their levers. It had nothing to do with them coming open. Proper installation (of both the rings and the levers) solves all of these issues.

C4

Posted: 8/4/2005 6:17:34 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
some of the levers were out-of-spec. maybe you have one from the bad batch. give Larue a call and they'll replace it.

How would you know if they were out of spec?

C4

Posted: 8/4/2005 6:23:01 PM EDT

[#19]

bloodmoon-

Did you tighten down the front screw and use the Blue lotitie included.I cranked mine on pretty good after asking on the boards how tight is tight enough.

The reply I got was if it doesnt hurt your fingers it aint tight enough.I just dont see how a limb, brush etc. could pull it off.If installed correctly.

Posted: 8/5/2005 3:22:18 AM EDT

[#20]

I think you will find LaRue is/has fast become the mounts to which others are judged.

Do some research on other boards and look at some of the folks endorsing them.

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:00:20 AM EDT

[#21]

i have never had any problems with any of my larue gear.

just wondering, you have the eotech mounted to a surefire railed handguard?

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:25:03 AM EDT

[#22]

Anybody have a pic of the new locking lever?? Thanks.

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:35:49 AM EDT

[#23]

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Anybody have a pic of the new locking lever?? Thanks.

Do a search. It was recently posted in the Optics forum....the place where this thread should be.

Posted: 8/5/2005 4:38:14 AM EDT

[#24]

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Did you tighten down the front screw and use the Blue loctitie included.I cranked mine on pretty good after asking on the boards how tight is tight enough.

Just to be clear to anyone reading this, the Loctite is used on the screws that secure the rings that hold in the optic. It is not used on the locking level.