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Posted: 2/21/2006 6:00:19 PM EDT
I am looking for an AR15 trainer that is exactly like a standard AR15. I want one with all the features and functions of a regular .223Rem AR - Bolt Deflector, brass port cover, carry handle with A2 sights, and a magazine that works off of the standard mag release. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:16:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:35:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 6:40:30 PM EDT by DallmannTodd]
Looking for something a bit cheaper than that. Saving money on ammo doesnt matter if I have to pay $1120 for the new upper alone.

Didn't Bushmaster used to make a non carbon fiber .22 AR?

Or what about a conversion kit to use on my current ARs?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:39:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 6:42:21 PM EDT by in_burrito]
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:42:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 6:43:28 PM EDT by DallmannTodd]

Originally Posted By in_burrito:

.22LR AP4 Barrel Assembly (Pre Ban) Product Code: BA-22LAP4



That one looks PERFECT, but it says nothing about Mags. Does the link you provided for mags work with both of the panther .22 models?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:47:49 PM EDT
in_burrito that's a great Avatar. I had a good laugh.

What the hell kind of bolt is in a .22lr upper? Damn .22lr bullet doesn't have the gas to drive something heavy and stiff. pix!
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:55:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:

Originally Posted By in_burrito:

.22LR AP4 Barrel Assembly (Pre Ban) Product Code: BA-22LAP4



That one looks PERFECT, but it says nothing about Mags. Does the link you provided for mags work with both of the panther .22 models?


Yes.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 6:56:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheMocoMan:
in_burrito that's a great Avatar. I had a good laugh.

What the hell kind of bolt is in a .22lr upper? Damn .22lr bullet doesn't have the gas to drive something heavy and stiff. pix!


It's not gas driven but recoil, and the bolt is a somewhat convoluted assembly that reciprocates within the space take up by the .223 bolt carrier. A .22 upper does not require a buffer and spring to function and in fact has a little tab that keeps it from being pushed back into the receiver extension.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:13:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:
I am looking for an AR15 trainer that is exactly like a standard AR15. I want one with all the features and functions of a regular .223Rem AR - Bolt Deflector, brass port cover, carry handle with A2 sights, and a magazine that works off of the standard mag release. Can anyone point me in the right direction?



If you want it JUST for training purposes - nothing is more original than a Colt or
Air Force conversion unit.

You can find them on the auction sites for about $150.
They are EXTREMELY reliable.

The only major downside to them is the difficulty in finding extra magazines.

If however you want a plinker which Operates most like the AR , the Ciener conversion kits
are a good deal (usually under $200)

I would only recommend a dedicated 22 upper if you plan on small game hunting or
some kind of gun game competition.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:23:39 PM EDT
I have to disagree with AKsRule.

Most production .22LR firearms have a much slower twist than most standard AR barrels.

Ruger 10/22, 1:16
Marlin Model 60, 1:16
Savage Model 64f, 1:16
and
DPMS .22LR A4, 1:16

Notice a trend?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 7:55:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 7:56:19 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]
my co worker bought a DPMS about 3 months ago it has ran great with every type of ammo put in it .
i am very seriouly considering one for silent and cheap practice has to be more realistic than my 10/22 with williams peeps on it LOL
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:11:26 PM EDT
I used my DPMS upper on my Colt lower this past weekend to teach my girlfriend how to shoot. She had never fired a gun before in her life, and it was nice to be able to break her in on the .22LR. Once she was comfortable, I put the 5.56 upper back on and she had a go with the real deal. The best part was that she was already familiar with the trigger feel, the safety, the mag realease, and the sights. All she had to do was get used to the louder noise and the bigger kick. It worked out really well.

In two weeks we're doing the same thing with a Marvel .22LR slide and a Kimber .45 ACP.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:19:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKsRule:

If you want it JUST for training purposes - nothing is more original than a Colt or
Air Force conversion unit.

You can find them on the auction sites for about $150.
They are EXTREMELY reliable.

The only major downside to them is the difficulty in finding extra magazines.

If however you want a plinker which Operates most like the AR , the Ciener conversion kits
are a good deal (usually under $200)

I would only recommend a dedicated 22 upper if you plan on small game hunting or
some kind of gun game competition.



I saw a similar conversion kit for sale for around $120, but it was just a bolt& carrier and mag. It didnt seem like it could have been too reliable. How does the .22LR round fit into the un-altered .223 chamber?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:25:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:
How does the .22LR round fit into the un-altered .223 chamber?


It doesn't, there is a chamber insert that reduces the size of the .223 chamber to that of a .22LR, but see my post above regarding barrel twists.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 8:43:16 PM EDT
Get a M261 kit. I haven't seen one in inventory in years, but we used them a lot in ROTC in the early '90's with M16A1's we borrrowed from the National Guard armory in town. Could get one-hole groups at 25 yards.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 9:22:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 9:40:23 PM EDT by imposter]
I have a DPMS 20" A2 .22 upper. It has all of the A2 features, including the bolt cover, brass deflector, flash hider, bayonet lug, forward assist, standard handguards, charging handle, A2 sights, etc. The barrel is stainless. It came with one 10 round mag and I think 25 rounders either are or will soon be available. It was $400 from cheaperthandirt.com and is very reliable and accurate.

The Bushmaster carbon upper is being redesigned and is not currently available.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:54:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 4:56:06 AM EDT by QUIB]
Here is the rifle I built my son for his 13th b-day.

-J&T LW barrel 1x9
-M261 .22 conversion kit
-Colt slabside upper
-Oly lower

Groups about ¾” at 25m with Winchester Dynapoints, which is plenty accurate for a trainer. I can easily make soda cans dance at 50-75 meters.

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