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Posted: 9/19/2004 5:44:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 4:03:00 PM EST by Zak-Smith]
The followers in the PRI 6.8SPC magazines leave something to be desired. I am grateful PRI ponied up to build 6.8SPC magazine bodies, and the majority of my 6.8SPC mags work fine to the extent I've tested them, which isn't much still being in the load development phase.

I had one 15 round magazine in which the follower kept hanging up in the last inch of upward travel. Upon disassembly, it became clear that the follower - made of thin pliable sheet metal - was bent and had burrs, so I set out to see if I could modify a Magpul follower to fit.

The PRI 6.8SPC followers:
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Modification to sides of Magpul follower to make it fit in the magazine:
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Assembled:
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I have not had a chance to test-fire yet, but the magazine loaded to 15 rounds (the proper capacity for this mag) with no obvious problems, and the rounds fed seemingly OK.

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BTW- Spring is a 30 round spring cut to 13 coils.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 11:21:03 PM EST
Great post, and excellent idea!

-Cap'n
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:47:00 AM EST
Nice post, Zak.

Let us know how it goes. I am betting they will run fine.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:50:11 AM EST
I think the red followers are supposed to be very tight,
whereas the coyote brown are more of a loose fit. Maybe
they would have been a better choice?
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 6:09:14 AM EST
Cato,

I thought of that, but I had a bunch of the extra "competition" followers in my box of parts. No sense in possibly ruining a perfectly decent CB follower. The internal dimensions of the 6.8 mags are larger, so it ought to be less of a problem.

-z
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 8:14:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 8:16:37 AM EST by jar3ds]
I WANT 6.8

hurry up industry

let us know how it works zak,


oh BTW zak...

what twist is your PRI barrel? 1x9.5?

Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:25:39 AM EST
Uhh... I'd have to ask Wes or Paul.

-z
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 9:39:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
Uhh... I'd have to ask Wes or Paul.

-z



Zak, they are 1X10 for the Douglas. IIRC
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 11:00:42 PM EST
so zak.... how did they turn out? haven't heard anything from you! :-)
Link Posted: 9/27/2004 6:19:56 AM EST
Well, I was demoing a bunch of AR's for a guy this weekend and I forgot to throw that mag in the car. Damnit! Will try to get it tested by next Monday.

-z

Link Posted: 9/27/2004 11:12:18 AM EST
hehe... i'll wait to hear from ya
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 4:01:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 4:08:02 PM EST by Zak-Smith]
Tested today. Both* modified followers worked perfectly, loading to magazine capacity (15 and 25 round). I only had sunlight to run one or two mags through each magazine.

In this series of pictures, from left to right:

#1- unmodified follower

#2- follower side profile modified to drop into magazine

#3- #2 plus lowering the 1st round shelf so the height increment from round #1 to round #2 is similar to the PRI followers.

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I made modification #3 when I noticed that when I loaded 8 or more rounds with #2, it rattled. The rattling was round #2, because it was not touching the follower. #3 doesn't rattle as much.

With the limited testing I did, the follower height (#2 vs #3) didn't make a difference.

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Since #2 worked just as well as #3, I'll be using modified followers of the #2 type until we get something better.

-z

ETA: gun config was a MSTN/PRI 18" w/ midlength gas. JP SS bolt carrier, carbine stock. Loads were 110gr at about 2560fps.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:11:28 PM EST
Great info as usual Zak!!


One question, Why did you have to cut the side support from picture #1 to #2 (The second leg that rides against the side of the magazine) From your fianl photo, looks like there is plenty of room for it to remain?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:58:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 6:58:54 PM EST by Zak-Smith]
The floorplate retaining tabs on the bottom of the mag differ on the PRI mags vs. USGI mags. The second side supports physically conflict with the forward retaining tabs on the PRI mags.

-z
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 7:28:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
The floorplate retaining tabs on the bottom of the mag differ on the PRI mags vs. USGI mags. The second side supports physically conflict with the forward retaining tabs on the PRI mags.

-z




Arent they (PRI) sheet metal? (Bend them straight then back after the follower is in?)

I thought the extra set of ribbing was to help guide the follower straight through it's entire range of travel.

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 7:32:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 11:17:57 AM EST by Zak-Smith]

Arent they (PRI) sheet metal? (Bend them straight then back after the follower is in?)

I thought the extra set of ribbing was to help guide the follower straight through it's entire range of travel.



And then to remove for cleaning? I don't want to have to bend metal each time I break the mags down.

The extra ribbing isn't really required. The four corners and the length of the follower ensure smooth tilt-free movement.

-z

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:59:20 AM EST
Thanks..(For the extra brass too!!!)

I have some access to some of those red followers I can try on...


Link Posted: 10/3/2004 9:13:01 AM EST
Zak, I hear the 15 round mags are not as reliable, is this true? I think I'll get 25s.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:25:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Timanator:
Thanks..(For the extra brass too!!!)
I have some access to some of those red followers I can try on...



The easiest way is to use a "coarse" sanding wheel on a dremel tool on "low" speed. Lock the dremel in place with a vice and hold the follower in your hands. It's real easy - I didn't even screw the first one up!

-z
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 12:29:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 11:18:53 AM EST by Zak-Smith]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Zak, I hear the 15 round mags are not as reliable, is this true? I think I'll get 25s.


My sample size is low and I haven't fired more than a couple hundred rounds through these mags. That said, I haven't had any problems with the 15 round mags -- I used springs from 30-round USGI mags cut down to about 13 coils, so they actually have more spring pressure than the 25 round mags using springs from 30rnd USGI mags.

I actually much prefer the 15 round size. It's way more handy than the 25rnders. I'll probably end up with 2-3x more 15's than 25's. 'Coarse, this is for general purpose use, not military house clearing.

-z
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:14:22 AM EST
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