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Posted: 8/15/2005 4:28:42 PM EDT
Inspired by a thread in the Handguns section asking the question of how accurate everyone is with their 1911. I thought I'd ask here for real examples of targets you have shot to get some kind of idea where I stand accuracy wise with my AR. I'm more of a pistol shooter than a rifle shooter so I'm expecting better results from the others on this board.

Here are my targets shot with an Olympic Arms S.S. 1:9 heavy barrel at 100 yards using 55 gr FMJ plinking ammo with A2 iron sights. (Sorry it's a little fuzzy.)



Top, left is two groups of 5 before and after a sight change.
Top, right is sitting with sling (The sling pulled the group right and I think varying sling pressure caused big changes in impact point.)
Bottom, right is 5 off the bench and 3 crosslegged sitting and 3 straight leg sitting with out the sling. (I called the one to the upper right as a bad shot.)
Bottom, left is 10 off the bench. (Very first target of the day.)

On average I'm running about 3 inches for a five shot group off the bench and 4inches for the 10 shot first target of the day. Should I expect more? Is it time to break out the match ammo to find improvement?

Let me see how you shoot.

Kent
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:31:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 4:33:01 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
I can kill you at 200 yrds no problem. I think that is accurate enough With 55gr plinking ammo about 3" is perfectly fine. Match ammo should cut the groups in half.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:33:40 PM EDT
Accurate enough.

Danny

P.S. They do all the work, I just hold them right and feed them good food.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:34:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 5:36:52 PM EDT by fxntime]
Reg old sights on a AR right around a couple of inches at best, the gun can do better I can't. With my 308 Garand under an inch on a good day [NM .62 sights and bedded and all] [THAT is benched solidly and I can't do that sitting or whatever. and it is a NM camp perry gun nothing I put together my others are 4 or 5 inchers with me shooting] Not all days are good days tho. Damn coffee, yeah, thats what it is.........
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:37:50 PM EDT
Not enough to make me happy.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:48:11 PM EDT
Minute of ujustbustedintothewronghousemuthafukka.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:52:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:59:35 PM EDT
She shot those with iron sights?
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:08:01 PM EDT
Offhand with irons I tend to shoot about minute of paper plate with most of my ARs. I'm a tad better with optics offhand, and can generally shoot minute of skunk with an ACOG and a taclight in the dark.

Shooting prone with a bipod/rest or benched I'm much better of course, but my rifles are still generally more accurate than I am.

My scoped 20" A2 HBAR is the most accurate rifle I own, and will shoot sub MOA all day long if I do my part.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:08:32 PM EDT
I can almost everytimehit a CD Rom at 100 yds with irons.....from a benchrest.....prone offhand I can usually hit an 8x10" target...if I don't flinch too much at 100yds with irons.....I can definately get minute of muthafucker everytime!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:09:08 PM EDT
With my M4gery using iron sights I can put shots inside of a 12” target at 100m. Head shots at 100m are no problem using the EOTechs 1MOA dot. At 39 years old my eyes are not what they used to be, might be a good excuse to tell Mrs. Quib when I start building an SPR!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 5:21:00 PM EDT by Talyn]
A couple of weekends ago I did 10 shot 1 MOA groups at 100 yds with my RRA M4 everytime with 55 gr FMJ. I'm very pleased how well it shoots + 20 years of DCM/CMP matches have worked for me.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:15:49 PM EDT
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:18:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




Like I keep saying, its internet fishing stories.....
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:19:18 PM EDT
Bushy 20" heavy NM bbl. 1.5" at 300 yards. My that convinced my friend to by and AR. He is primarily a BR shooter and hunter, so he was impressed big.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:28:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:37:23 PM EDT
Some people can type better than they can shoot.

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:38:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Talyn:
Some people can type better than they can shoot.




Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:07:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
Accurate enough.

Danny

P.S. They do all the work, I just hold them right and feed them good food.




That's right...I can hit a man-sized target at a reasonable range. That's what it's for.

If I wanted long-range accuracy, I'd be using a Barret 50.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:10:55 PM EDT
These are from a 16" Rock River with National Match Trigger. both shoot at 100 yards. The ammo is noted on each photo.

R.


Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:11:02 PM EDT
Hit soda cans all day @ 100 yrds with irons sights.....

Of course better with any scoped AR.

Just a naturally accurate rifle, given the shooter using it.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:16:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 6:16:37 PM EDT by USMARINE1108]
Man sized target, in the prone from 500 with iron's.


Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.



A requirement to earn the title. Damn, I love the Marine Corps!

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:18:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JaketheSnake:


Just a naturally accurate rifle, given the shooter using it.



Very true. If you know how to adjust your sites, sight alignment, sight picture, breath control and trigger control the rifle does everything for you.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:19:51 PM EDT
I can guarantee minute of torso out to about 300 yards from the prone position...

I'm like a chrome lined barrel, I'm not match accurate but I can get the job done.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:28:59 PM EDT
can get real 1/4" groups out of my super freak ass AR, but thats mostly JP Parts, and a 24" SST Bull barrel from RRA, and some pull my hair out finally got the right load reloading. you guys getting 1" groups with factory stuff should try reloading,
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:39:30 PM EDT
with my 14 inch bushy with a eotech i can kill a coyote out to 600 with about 10 rounds. is that good? probably not but im not a sniper i just want dead animals.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:39:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:40:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USMARINE1108:
Man sized target, in the prone from 500 with iron's.


Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.



A requirement to earn the title. Damn, I love the Marine Corps!





OORAH........................
500 - prone - MAN SIZED TARGET
ACTUALLY is easy to do , once you get the WINDAGE and ELEVATION , huh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:45:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 7:07:55 PM EDT by steve-oh]
Not nearly as accurate as my rifles want me to be.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:52:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




I asked basically the same question about accuracy in this thread:

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=244101

That day at the range I was getting about 8" groups with irons. 8"-12", or minute of pieplate for me is average.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 7:56:20 PM EDT
I have a WOA NM upper w/ Wilson Barrel that shoots pretty well with my "developed" handloads. 5 shot groups with a scope on top of a carry handle, shot off sandbags run 1/2 to 3/4". I have shot quite a few 1 to 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards with the irons this year from prone w/ sling. I had one 5 shot groop this year at 200 yards that was 1 1/4" (irons, prone). I saved THAT target. My 200 yard sitting groups generally run about 5-6". We won't talk about offhand tonight. At least they are all scoring on the high power targets now.

My scoped WOA SPR upper isn't quite as accurate, but is still sub-MOA. Still looking for a good load for it.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:20:27 PM EDT
With a 16" Bushmaster I can keep them in a paper plate-offhand at 100 yards, IF I don't wory about speed more than I wory about accuacy. No problem from squating or prone. I need to work at 200 yards. I don't have any tack driving ARs.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:24:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 8:28:38 PM EDT by wildearp]
Gong. 500 meters. Every time. XM-193

range linky

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 8:27:38 PM EDT
My trigger sucks right now, and I am a bit unsteady on the bench. However,

using 40 grain Black Hills B-Tips, I get 20 shots groups of about 1.5+ MOA.

Using 52 grain match Black Hills, I'd get about 3/4 MOA groups, assuming I do my thing.

This is a 20" HBAR free-float with a Mueller Tactical (ugh!) 16x on top.

I'm still learning.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:06:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USMARINE1108:
Man sized target, in the prone from 500 with iron's.
A requirement to earn the title. Damn, I love the Marine Corps!



Yep. That's the furthest I've reached with irons too. "Targets!"

With a Barrett with a scope have hit targets at 1700 meters, but the target was a rusted out tank hulk.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:22:12 PM EDT
592/49X
600/60Xpossible.

That includes 600 yard prone stage.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:46:23 PM EDT
I'm able to take your head off at 100 yds. does that answer your question
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 11:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 11:42:32 PM EDT by dakotasin]
pic won't work... nevermind.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 12:15:50 AM EDT
Oly 16" PCR rifle at 100 yds.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 12:17:57 AM EDT
@ 100 yrds with Irons about 85% of the time Ill hit the 10 or the X and 15% of the time Ill miss completely. Anyway thats what my stats say.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 12:40:22 AM EDT
I can shoot a 2.5" group at 25 yards offhand without a sling, shooting coat, etc., using iron sights.

Prone at 100 yards I can generally hit a 12" diameter circle with a leapers 4x scope.

Using sandbags to support the rifle on a bench, I can do about 1.5" at 100 yards with a leapers 4x scope.

Personally, I think benchrest is cheating.

(Bushmaster A2 20" HBAR)
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:05:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




This is why I asked for targets. Assuming the shooter is honest about the conditions under which the target was shot, the target doesn't lie.


Kent
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:11:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Iram:
I can shoot a 2.5" group at 25 yards offhand without a sling, shooting coat, etc., using iron sights.

Prone at 100 yards I can generally hit a 12" diameter circle with a leapers 4x scope.

Using sandbags to support the rifle on a bench, I can do about 1.5" at 100 yards with a leapers 4x scope.

Personally, I think benchrest is cheating.

(Bushmaster A2 20" HBAR)



I am of the same mind. I think benchresting is cheating as well, since there are no benchrests in the wild. However, if I can't hit the target off the rest I'm never going to hit it offhand. I included the gruops I shot sitting for that reason. It's not off the rest, but at least I can make a reasonable (pleasing) group sitting. I didn't include my offhand target because only 6 of 10 shots made holes in the paper.

Kent
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:11:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




This is why I asked for targets. Assuming the shooter is honest about the conditions under which the target was shot, the target doesn't lie.


Kent



Shit, I could punch pencil holes in a target, snap a pic of them and tell you the target was at 3,000m! The only true way to tell how accurate someone is with their weapon, would be to see them fire in person.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 6:27:34 AM EDT


this was done so long ago I can't remember exact yardages, but I think both were at 100 yards.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:57:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




This is why I asked for targets. Assuming the shooter is honest about the conditions under which the target was shot, the target doesn't lie.


Kent



Shit, I could punch pencil holes in a target, snap a pic of them and tell you the target was at 3,000m! The only true way to tell how accurate someone is with their weapon, would be to see them fire in person.



Absolutely!!! But I know all the members of Arfcom are folks of the highest moral character and therefore would never lie in such a hallowed forum.

Kent
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:07:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




This is why I asked for targets. Assuming the shooter is honest about the conditions under which the target was shot, the target doesn't lie.


Kent



Shit, I could punch pencil holes in a target, snap a pic of them and tell you the target was at 3,000m! The only true way to tell how accurate someone is with their weapon, would be to see them fire in person.



Absolutely!!! But I know all the members of Arfcom are folks of the highest moral character and therefore would never lie in such a hallowed forum.

Kent



That is one of the scary things about starting to shoot Highpower. There are no do-overs, and everyone can see your target. I see a definite difference in my scores between practice and matches. There are nerves involved, and the distraction of other people shooting a couple feet away from you.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:12:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By QUIB:

Originally Posted By Green_Canoe:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I think some people are more accurate on the internet than they are on the range.




This is why I asked for targets. Assuming the shooter is honest about the conditions under which the target was shot, the target doesn't lie.


Kent



Shit, I could punch pencil holes in a target, snap a pic of them and tell you the target was at 3,000m! The only true way to tell how accurate someone is with their weapon, would be to see them fire in person.



Absolutely!!! But I know all the members of Arfcom are folks of the highest moral character and therefore would never lie in such a hallowed forum.

Kent



All I will say here is that some of the claims made here are borderline ridiculous. Very few are backed up with targets.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:34:39 AM EDT
I'd have trouble even seeing a pie plate, much less a soda can, at 100 yards.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:45:34 AM EDT
I just started shooting Sporting Rifle/High power. I have shot two matches. I have not missed the paper yet out of 64 rounds. I can shoot a tight pattern off a bench, but that is only good for sighting in you rifle. It is very intense shooting for score under a timed event with other shooters on the line, espcially when your first shot is for score, there are no practice shots, warm up ect. Give it a try and it will let you know where you are at with your shooting and equipment.
.

I shoot a RRA A2 lower and a Bushmaster A2 flattop upper, I just have a cheap Leapers 3x9 ar scope. Also I just have a standard trigger, no two stage on anything, which would be a big help.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:18:48 AM EDT
I use a 20" colt A2, it's stock except for a trijicon front sight, I practice diff positions while moveing and stationary, and I've been shooting for about 25yrs. 200 yds is the max I shoot out to and I can constantly hit a man size target. Most of my practice is closer tho.
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