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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:46:11 AM EDT
I bought some of this yesterday. Looked interesting. I am not in a good position to test it for awhile, so I'm curious as to what everyone's thoughts are. How close is this to the 75 grain TAP? What is accuracy like out of a good barrel? Would this be a good option for self defense, for those of us who can't afford TAP?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:23:04 AM EDT
Earlier in the year, there were several threads comparing the TAP rounds and practice rounds. If my memory serves me, the practice rounds performed much like the 75 grain TAP. I can't remember the details but the conclusions convinced me to get some of teh practice rounds and load up my go to mags.

I do remember that the conclusion on the 55-grain practice ammo was that it did not frag like most 55-grain FMJ.

Now let me say that I have slept several times since I read these threads so don't hold me to any details.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:48:09 AM EDT
I believe the reason the 55gr didnt fragment like other 55gr is that it is Hornady Projectiles, which are not the same as 55gr M193, so it doesnt fragment the same.

I also believe the 75gr Tap training ammo is Hornady 75gr BTHP projectiles.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:09:02 PM EDT
So, how is accuracy compared to loads like prvi partizan 75 grain? This stuff is cheaper and sold locally, so if it can hold a decent (better than me, which is pretty bad) group at 500 yards with a match rifle, I'll buy out the rest of their stock!
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:29:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:46:08 PM EDT
It looks like from those threads prvi is quite a bit better than the hornady training ammo. That's too bad.

I figure I'll get some prvi for use in high power competition (200,300,600 yards).

That said, I still need plinking/short range 3-gun ammo and long range 3-gun ammo. I figure I'll get the cheapest wolf ammo I can for short range.

What would be a good low cost ammunition for shooting LaRue targets at 300 meters?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:52:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
It looks like from those threads prvi is quite a bit better than the hornady training ammo. That's too bad.

In the above cited links, the Prvi performance was a .29" radius group at 100 yards and the Hornady 75gr practise ammo had a .47" mean radius group at 100 yards.

For me, the difference there is insignificant relative to my shooting skills and eyesight. I realize that the difference is multiplied at extended ranges beyond 100 yards, but we are still talking about accuracy that is way better than XM193 or M855.

I believe also that ballistic gel testing has shown that the terminal ballistics of the Hornady TAP outperform the Prvi match ammo.

I guess I didn't pick up on whether you are considering the Training 75gr TAP for matches or SHTF scenarios.

For a competition match shooting, go with Prvi, for self defense, I'll take Hornady TAP, even the practise version.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:07:11 PM EDT
Yeah, I have 50 rounds of it loaded in mags "just in case". This will be my standard load for outdoor self defense. That said, I'll probably go with prvi for high power.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:09:07 PM EDT
What is the price of the training 75gr? The PPU 75 and 69gr is WAY overpriced. I would rather reload instead; if im shooting for groups and long ranges. If you're looking for defense, one of the PPU either 75 or 69 is very good when it comes to fragmentation, but the other isnt so great. Sorry I dont remember off the top of my head, but for defense I would rather trust hornad projectiles.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:25:23 PM EDT
New prvi match might be crap in your rifle... They upped the velocity and added a horrible crimp. Groups for me were over 2-3 times bigger than 60gr tap. YMMV
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:28:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Forgetfull:
New prvi match might be crap in your rifle... They upped the velocity and added a horrible crimp. Groups for me were over 2-3 times bigger than 60gr tap. YMMV

Hmm, when did this change occur?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:11:15 PM EDT
I have some 7-2009 75 gr and some 1-2010 69gr that has the bad crimp. I've only chronoed the 75gr and it was significantly higher than all previous years. Someone else mirrored my chrono numbers too.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:53:47 PM EDT
Ok so a noob question here the training ammo uses BTHP and the 5.56 T2 stuff also uses BTHP bullets. Does that mean they would have the same wounding capabilities?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:04:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Evile:
Ok so a noob question here the training ammo uses BTHP and the 5.56 T2 stuff also uses BTHP bullets. Does that mean they would have the same wounding capabilities?
The training version is a .223 load, not 5.56.

It will perform nearly the same as regular .223 75gr TAP, not quite as good as the "high octane" 5.56 75gr TAP.

It is still no slouch.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:09:41 PM EDT
the 75gr should do fine in a 1/9 16inch barrel right I havnt shot any thing over 62 yet
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:31:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Evile:
the 75gr should do fine in a 1/9 16inch barrel right I havnt shot any thing over 62 yet


You need to test it in YOUR gun to be certain. Some 1/9 barrels will handle it, and some won't.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:03:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DTHN2LGS:
Originally Posted By Evile:

the 75gr should do fine in a 1/9 16inch barrel right I havnt shot any thing over 62 yet


You need to test it in YOUR gun to be certain. Some 1/9 barrels will handle it, and some won't.


Agreed.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:09:43 PM EDT
Wideners sells 75gr HPBT match bullets for $65/500. $.13 per plus shipping.

Midway has Hornady 75gr HPBT match for $93 for 600, $.15 per plus shipping.

If I was gonna shoot a lot of 75gr stuff, I'd probably go ahead and make my own. For what Prvi costs, you could almost handload with virgin Lapua brass and still come out ahead.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:19:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
Wideners sells 75gr HPBT match bullets for $65/500. $.13 per plus shipping.

Midway has Hornady 75gr HPBT match for $93 for 600, $.15 per plus shipping.

If I was gonna shoot a lot of 75gr stuff, I'd probably go ahead and make my own. For what Prvi costs, you could almost handload with virgin Lapua brass and still come out ahead.

The closest I'll get to hand loading is buying my dad the stuff and having him load it for me. I live in a 400 square foot apartment.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 7:25:09 PM EDT
The 75gr TAP training and the 75gr TAP 5.56 use a different bullet. The 5.56 uses the "T2" and the TAP training uses the "T1C" bullet. Both are OTM (Open Tip Match), but each has a different ogive design. Both have excellent terminal performance.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:26:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
Wideners sells 75gr HPBT match bullets for $65/500. $.13 per plus shipping.

Midway has Hornady 75gr HPBT match for $93 for 600, $.15 per plus shipping.

If I was gonna shoot a lot of 75gr stuff, I'd probably go ahead and make my own. For what Prvi costs, you could almost handload with virgin Lapua brass and still come out ahead.

I live in a 400 square foot apartment.

So? What's that mean? You could get one of those little fold away Black and Decker workbenches and mount your press on some 2x6 lumber and c-clamp it down and box it all up when you're done. Or you can load on a table with the press c-clamped to it. A LEE turret press, a scale, and some load blocks would take up very little room and still produce some very good ammunition. There's guys who load in even smaller spaces. Just get creative.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:49:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
It looks like from those threads prvi is quite a bit better than the hornady training ammo. That's too bad.

I figure I'll get some prvi for use in high power competition (200,300,600 yards).

That said, I still need plinking/short range 3-gun ammo and long range 3-gun ammo. I figure I'll get the cheapest wolf ammo I can for short range.

What would be a good low cost ammunition for shooting LaRue targets at 300 meters?


If you're gonna be shooting in excess of 200-million yards, you might want to go with something other than 5.56. Just sayin'

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