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Posted: 11/20/2008 9:07:05 AM EDT
I'm looking for a Flash Hider and/or Comp that will allow me to shoot at night (moonlight) without seeing the flash in my scope and, if I can get it, one that'll give me as much compensation as possible. The flash, though, is my primary concern. I need this for the nightime hog hunting and eradication I do. With my other rifles, when I pull the trigger at night, the target disappears in the muzzle flash; and this makes it impossible to watch the hit or see which way the hog runs- if he runs. :) So, I either have to have a spotter along or I have to spend extra time figuring out which way they ran.

I'd like a compensator to help me re-acquire a target more quickly or get on a secondary target (aka Hog) more quickly; but the flash is my primary concern. Now, if there's a good comp that directs the flash in such a way that it won't be visible in the scope- that'd be fine with me. In fact, that'd probably be my ideal unit because it'd give me both advantages that I'm looking for!

I know that the conventional wisdom is to look for either a comp or a hider- not both. But, since I'm not looking for one for combat or for competition, I thought y'all might be able to recommend something that will serve both purposes, for my use. I was looking at the AAC Blackout but I can't seem to find anyone that sells it and the company's website sux- it isn't all working. Any advice on where I could buy one of them?

Thanks to those that offer up some help/advice!

Nick
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:19:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 9:21:56 AM EDT by Muskyjerk]
vortex


http://www.smithenterprise.com/products06.html



no comp will work and the votex is the best thing going in my opion
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:28:45 AM EDT
+1 Vortex
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:31:28 AM EDT
Vortex, then the Phantom if you want something less prone to "snagging".
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:09:34 AM EDT
Suppressor.




Smith Enterprises Vortex is the best FH for reducing muzzle flash. Period. There are lookalikes out there, just FYI.

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:54:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 10:55:14 AM EDT by 12_gauge]
FSC556 compensator.

Using M193 and M855 I saw NO bloom in my FOV using A2 iron sights on a pitch black night. The most I got was a hot speck or 2 of gunpowder that would flick across the FOV every 5th round or so. With an optic limiting FOV up close, it would be even less visible. There was a faint glow the size of a softball, looked like the cooler flames you see in a wood fireplace when the wood is almost burned down (orange and without much "substance") when I fired it into the ground while observing the muzzle. THis was on a 20" AR. It is also a pretty good comp and is no louder from the shooter's perspective than an A2 hider (measured 1.5db louder at shooter).
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 11:09:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
FSC556 compensator.

Using M193 and M855 I saw NO bloom in my FOV using A2 iron sights on a pitch black night. The most I got was a hot speck or 2 of gunpowder that would flick across the FOV every 5th round or so. With an optic limiting FOV up close, it would be even less visible. There was a faint glow the size of a softball, looked like the cooler flames you see in a wood fireplace when the wood is almost burned down (orange and without much "substance") when I fired it into the ground while observing the muzzle. THis was on a 20" AR. It is also a pretty good comp and is no louder from the shooter's perspective than an A2 hider (measured 1.5db louder at shooter).



This is what I use, and partially for this reason.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 11:14:28 AM EDT
Vortex. There's a video floating around the internet somewhere of an M14 being shot at nigh with a GI flash hider, no flash hider, and a Smith Vortex. The video may be on Smith's website.

-Dan
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 11:18:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 11:18:44 AM EDT by greco]
So aahh, uumm, what are you hunting at night??

Ditto on the Vortex.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 12:07:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Vortex. There's a video floating around the internet somewhere of an M14 being shot at nigh with a GI flash hider, no flash hider, and a Smith Vortex. The video may be on Smith's website.

-Dan


There's some video of it here:

http://www.crazyhorserifles.com/performance.htm
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 4:46:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Vortex. There's a video floating around the internet somewhere of an M14 being shot at nigh with a GI flash hider, no flash hider, and a Smith Vortex. The video may be on Smith's website.

-Dan



I believe 20/20 or dateline or one of those shows did a segment on Smith Enterprises and it was pretty much entirely on the Vortex and military applications.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:07:55 PM EDT
I've done quite a bit of testing with flash suppressors at night, using a video camera.

Vortex is an excellent choice.

I have only tested the AAC on a 6.5mm Grendel. So not an apples to apples comparison.
However, using AA's 123 grain Scenar load there was almost zero flash with the AAC.

Neither the Vortex or the AAC will emit enough flash to cause you to lose your target.

Hope this helps...
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:10:10 PM EDT
the problem is most of the posters are ignoring your need for compensation as well, the votrtex has none.

ths PWS FSC556 is a comp as well as a flash hider. isnt too bright at night and is a very good comp
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 8:33:04 PM EDT
Hunting wild hogs mainly but also Coyotes and bobcats and the occasional free-ranging exotic. I thought I made the hog hunting clear in my original post. Thank God I live in Texas where we have year-round hunting opportunities and where night hunting, by any means, is allowed for "pest" animals (like hogs & exotics) and predators! :) It's a AR-15 paradise! LOL!
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 3:00:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 3:02:35 AM EDT by DevL]
The best flash reduction will be a Blackout or Vortex. Just call AAC on the phone and you will have a Blackout ordered in 5 minutes. Who cares if the website sucks?

PWS FSC556... great but if you already have too much flash from an A2 flash hider this is not the answer.
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 3:01:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 3:02:51 AM EDT by DevL]
Originally Posted By JackalAR:
Vortex, then the Phantom if you want something less prone to "snagging".


Snagging is that imaginary thing that happens to the mall ninjas who repel in on fast ropes to catch shop lifters right?
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 8:36:44 PM EDT
Ops Inc has a comp with a screw on FH... anyone want to comment on them?
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 9:01:41 PM EDT
...He said right in his post that he was hunting hogs. Did you read the post?
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 9:10:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/22/2008 6:07:57 AM EDT
For pure flash suppression, I have not found anything better than BEM...
Link Posted: 11/22/2008 11:21:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2008 11:26:59 AM EDT by SouthTXBowhunter]
Originally Posted By DevL:
The best flash reduction will be a Blackout or Vortex. Just call AAC on the phone and you will have a Blackout ordered in 5 minutes. Who cares if the website sucks?


What I meant about the website is that I couldn't find an email address anywhere to ask pre-purchase questions. Because of work i have trouble getting time to call them so I wanted to email them; and they're the first site I couldn't find an email address for pre-sales questions. THAT's why I made the comment about their website and THATS why I "cared."

Originally Posted By MT-Borg:
Ops Inc has a comp with a screw on FH... anyone want to comment on them?


I looked at the Ops-Inc website and I don't see one that supresses flash. Can you give me a link to the one you're talking about?
Link Posted: 11/22/2008 11:37:23 AM EDT
Ill go against the grain here.

I had a Levang Linear Muzzle Brake/Flash Hider. It worked great. I had NV scope on my AR and any other FH/MB would WHITE out the scope after a shot was taken. This was not the case with the Levang. When viewed from the side and shot, you would see a couple lil sparks shot out, no big flame or flash. Brownells has them.
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