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Posted: 12/15/2010 8:26:51 PM EDT
Okay guys, I have been going through the SHTF rifle threads and that could take me years on here. I am wanting to build 1 AR to do what I need it to do when I need it to do it. Couple of things I am trying to consider is

Trigger (I want it to be tough as nails but still be smooth and somewhat light in case the need would arise to pull off a well aimed 300M shot without a bunch of extra things to go wrong with it.) I am considering a spikes battle trigger. what else would you guys recommended?

Bolt (I want a bolt that will function clean and function dirty in case cleaning isn't feasible at the time.)

BUIS (I want some no fail hold zero fold down Irons)

what would you guys that have the experience recommend?
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 8:31:30 PM EDT
[#1]
Spike's trigger sounds right for your situation. I don't have experience with any flip-up BUIS sights but have heard great things about YHM's and Troy Industries sights.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 8:41:53 PM EDT
[#2]
Spikes battle trigger

Fail Zero coated BCG either fail zero stock one or spikes

troys
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 8:46:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Trigger, spikes or giessele.  They have a few models to look at and are very tough according to people here.

Bolt, BCM or spikes are regarded as top of the line.

Flip up sight, Im gonna say troy would suit you fine, people here say they are top of the line.

This is all info from here, only experience with parts above is the bolt.  Bro has a bcm, well made.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 9:18:15 PM EDT
[#4]
you talking like book of eli conditions or what??
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 9:40:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight



folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 10:18:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight

folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad


good point on the springs
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 10:27:10 PM EDT
[#7]
There are more parts inside of an A2 sight then there are in a Troy.  Get a LaRue or DD fixed rear if you want something tough and simple.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 10:49:22 PM EDT
[#8]
Vote for the Daniel Defense A1.5 fixed rear.  More durable than any flip ups IMO...
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 2:39:39 AM EDT
[#9]
I can't really argue durability for each design but I can say that the spring in flip-ups is simply for assisted opening and would be a very non critical component should it fail... Just my humble opinion
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 3:05:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Spikes battle trigger
BCM bcg
Troy buis

Just my. 02
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 5:28:39 AM EDT
[#11]
Go with a Spikes battle trigger and a Spikes Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Group, the BCG takes very little effort to clean.  90% of the time all you have to do is wipe it down.  Nothing else even comes close in terms of durability and reliability, and for the extra $50 its well worth it.  As far as BUIS go, I would go with Yankee Hill Machine flip ups.  What kind of optic are you planning on using or are you just planning on using your irons?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 5:42:40 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Go with a Spikes battle trigger and a Spikes Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Group, the BCG takes very little effort to clean.  90% of the time all you have to do is wipe it down.  Nothing else even comes close in terms of durability and reliability, and for the extra $50 its well worth it.  As far as BUIS go, I would go with Yankee Hill Machine flip ups.  What kind of optic are you planning on using or are you just planning on using your irons?


I am going to run a micro aimpoint more than likely. Maybe a M4.  Yes I am talking like a red dawn type situation. but I plan on using it alot even when the poo isn't hitting the fan.

Here is what I have so far

14.5 DD middy
14" lite rail
sun devil billet lower
MagPul CTR stock (haven't decided if that is what I am going to stick with or not)
Vtac Mk2 sling
Vtac LAMB sling mount
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 7:54:50 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Go with a Spikes battle trigger and a Spikes Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Group, the BCG takes very little effort to clean.  90% of the time all you have to do is wipe it down.  Nothing else even comes close in terms of durability and reliability, and for the extra $50 its well worth it.  As far as BUIS go, I would go with Yankee Hill Machine flip ups.  What kind of optic are you planning on using or are you just planning on using your irons?


I am going to run a micro aimpoint more than likely. Maybe a M4.  Yes I am talking like a red dawn type situation. but I plan on using it alot even when the poo isn't hitting the fan.

Here is what I have so far

14.5 DD middy
14" lite rail
sun devil billet lower
MagPul CTR stock (haven't decided if that is what I am going to stick with or not)
Vtac Mk2 sling
Vtac LAMB sling mount


TEOTWAWKI rifles should be forged... not billet.  

Sure their haven't yet been any major instances of billet not holding up to the same abuse as forged... but i believe quite a few metallurgists have said that "technically" forged is stronger.

If we are talking about TEOTWAWKI then you should be using every single tiny edge of durability you can get.  thus.. forged.

Also TEOTWAWKI optics should be non electric... whether it is from an EMP... or batteries... or electronic failure... eventually... it will go down. happens all the time in combat.

I suggest an ACOG or Accupoint or something that doesn't rely on batteries... even better if you are looking at something for when the illumination goes down you will still have a black reticule.


Even then your optic STILL won't be the end all be all.  Have backups.

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 8:03:51 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight

folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad


LOL...  A2 sights have springs also.

Gee whiz.

EDIT
OK, I wont be such a smartass here... I just wish folks would know what they are talking about.

THe ball bearing in the elevation drum are backed up via springs. The aperture is held tight via a leaf spring.



In the worst case scenario, spikes wont be around to mail you new parts. A basic colt M4 will serve you needs.
After the armies fall, there will be LOTS of m4's etc just lying on the ground. You might want to use some of those parts.
Dont worry about a nice light trigger pull. Learn how to effectively use the basic M4 or M16 format as it is.
All it takes is a desire, and practice.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 8:15:15 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight

folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad






In the worst case scenario, spikes wont be around to mail you new parts. A basic colt M4 will serve you needs.
After the armies fall, there will be LOTS of m4's etc just lying on the ground. You might want to use some of those parts.
Dont worry about a nice light trigger pull. Learn how to effectively use the basic M4 or M16 format as it is.
All it takes is a desire, and practice.



This was an epic post.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 8:19:09 AM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight



folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad




LOL...  A2 sights have springs also.



Gee whiz.



EDIT

OK, I wont be such a smartass here... I just wish folks would know what they are talking about.



THe ball bearing in the elevation drum are backed up via springs. The aperture is held tight via a leaf spring.
In the worst case scenario, spikes wont be around to mail you new parts. A basic colt M4 will serve you needs.

After the armies fall, there will be LOTS of m4's etc just lying on the ground. You might want to use some of those parts.

Dont worry about a nice light trigger pull. Learn how to effectively use the basic M4 or M16 format as it is.

All it takes is a desire, and practice.


I'm well aware A2 Sights have springs, but A2 Sights dont rely on a spring to stay upright in a shootable position

 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 8:21:34 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight

folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad


LOL...  A2 sights have springs also.

.

I'm well aware A2 Sights have springs, but A2 Sights dont rely on a spring to stay upright in a shootable position  


Do Troys rely on a spring to stay locked in position?  I don't think they do... thats one of the things i DON'T like about them... once they are locked in the up position you have to push the damn lock button in to get them to fold.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 8:27:24 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Get a fixed chopped A2 or something for rear sight

folding sights have a spring, and if this rifle is supposed to run 30 years without possibility of replacement parts, springs are bad


LOL...  A2 sights have springs also.

Gee whiz.

EDIT
OK, I wont be such a smartass here... I just wish folks would know what they are talking about.

THe ball bearing in the elevation drum are backed up via springs. The aperture is held tight via a leaf spring.



In the worst case scenario, spikes wont be around to mail you new parts. A basic colt M4 will serve you needs.
After the armies fall, there will be LOTS of m4's etc just lying on the ground. You might want to use some of those parts.
Dont worry about a nice light trigger pull. Learn how to effectively use the basic M4 or M16 format as it is.
All it takes is a desire, and practice.

I'm well aware A2 Sights have springs, but A2 Sights dont rely on a spring to stay upright in a shootable position  



Shootable.. it would still be.
Lets just say you remove all the springs on an a2 sight...
Aiming would be quite contradictory with the aperture flopping back and forth, and the elevation dial having no tension.
Lets not forget about the spring in the windage drum..   it keeps it from moving left to right.
Even if the rifle had no sights, its still shootable.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 9:58:53 AM EDT
[#19]
The Troys will work w/o spring.  The Aimpoint is rugged, 5 yrs batt. life (1 spare will get you to a decade w/o ever turning it off) and I think EMP is a waaaayyyy overrated possibility.  Worse case you have Irons.  An ACOG could be added later also as funds permit on a Larue mount so you could switch back and forth w/o zero loss.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:22:28 AM EDT
[#20]
post EMP an aimpoint is simply a REALLY REALLY big rear reticile for REALLY REALLY close work... just gotta make sure your cowitness is centered...
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:23:22 AM EDT
[#21]



Quoted:


post EMP an aimpoint is simply a REALLY REALLY big rear reticile for REALLY REALLY close work... just gotta make sure your cowitness is centered...



more like post EMP your aimpoint will still work

 
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