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Posted: 9/8/2005 11:34:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 1:47:15 PM EDT by DrJekl]
OKay folks, I have been trying to buy this upper for over a year now and I brought her home today. She walked into a show in Nashville and the gentleman that had it wanted to know what it was. I asked here and received little input but I could not put up any photos so I did not help you help me! So, I am back. Nothing in the BR series that I recall picturewise. Look that the pics and tell me what you think. I don't know anything about it. The man I got it from said his neighbor gave it to him 20 years ago and he kept it as a novelty item. NO details on who made it, nothing. There are no markings on her at all other than warning labels. There is a trigger that comes down beside the rifle's trigger to activate the laser. All she is is a laser aiming device that is about the size of a golf pencil these days. The HGs look like old Lone Star style handguards. Barrel is Colt. All work was done by someone that knew their stuff! The front sight has been cut, the laser tube integrated into the FSB and the top placed on top of the tube's end housing. A new rear sight manufactured onto the battery box and as you can see a carry handle. The laser is adjustable through the housing at the FSB.





Yes, the workmanship is outstanding! I will try to get some detail pics of the FSB! It is nothing but impressive! How much do you think this project was back in say 197whatever? Laser technology was outragious back then!

The laser is fuzzy (battery may be low too) and rather large. It is about the size of a pencil eraser at 5 feet.

The port cover is a newer style as well as the charging handle and the tail end of the receiver above the charging handle. All metal is Colt gray.

I can't say what I gave. I did not steal it but it was not cheap. She probably is not worth much more than I paid as it is more of a curio than a shooter though it is fully functional!

I am answering your replies here as I had a post canned for answering questions via reply.

Yes, it is big and weighs about as much as a loaded and complete M16A1. Standing next to my M16 shorty, this upper is actually bigger!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:35:53 AM EDT
I see red X.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:09:01 PM EDT
WTF?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:21:47 PM EDT
Man...beautiful workmanship. Aint technology wonderful?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:24:18 PM EDT
How much did that puppy cost?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:35:41 PM EDT
Prototype by somebody who was inspired by the lazer on the longslide 1911 they saw in Terminator?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:43:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 1:05:02 PM EDT by Zarathustra1]
You should ask Reed Knight, i'm sure he's got 1 or 12 of em...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:50:31 PM EDT
that has got to be the weirdest thing I ever seen on any AR or M16 upper........and I thought I saw it all
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 12:53:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
that has got to be the weirdest thing I ever seen on any AR or M16 upper........and I thought I saw it all


Now you have Looks like a very well put together something or another for sure.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:00:00 PM EDT
WOW.....

Tagged...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:28:15 PM EDT
Prototype Aimpoint
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:35:26 PM EDT
unique to say the least. But a great find. Tagged for more info.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:41:28 PM EDT
tagged for answer.

Now I want to build one for myself.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:43:14 PM EDT
Maybe is shoots death rays
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 1:45:24 PM EDT
do ya have a mule or a midget to pack it for ya?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 2:12:11 PM EDT
I think it's ironic considering your board name.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 2:35:29 PM EDT
I remember them.

Mid to late 80's time frame.

$700-800 for the complete upper sticks in my mind.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:09:26 PM EDT
C'mon, what did ya pay for it....


LB
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:18:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 3:19:38 PM EDT by kells81]
LOL thats kinda sweet. You got a lower to put it on?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:27:26 PM EDT
not a lazer,

it shoots a 50 cal spotter round for your AR
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:29:35 PM EDT
WTF is up with that handuard? It only has half as many grooves as it should.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:42:28 PM EDT
If I was a Russian soldier during the Cold War and saw some Americans coming at me with those, I'd take cover or run like hell, because I'd think it's a ray-gun.



Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:58:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MurdockTheCrazy:
If I was a Russian soldier during the Cold War and saw some Americans coming at me with those, I'd take cover or run like hell, because I'd think it's a ray-gun.






What if it wasn't an American with it?

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:23:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:35:36 PM EDT by DrJekl]
Check that out! That's the upper! Any idea on history?

Lone Star (I believe) made handguards like these. I am not sure if that is who made these. Note sure if they are pre A2 design or a civilian attempt at an A2 copy.

I have a registered lower set up as a XM-607 but I won't put this upper on it. I will probably slap it on an old Colt or CMMG lower I have.

I don't see $6-800 getting this upper when it was new as laser technology was very expensive.

Anyway, I paid less than that for it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:31:35 PM EDT
Wow, why didn't you get the big one?

Just kidding, you now own an amazing piece of AR history.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:40:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 4:47:54 PM EDT by Stryfe]

Originally Posted By DrJekl:
Lone Star (I believe) made handguards like these. I am not sure if that is who made these. Note sure if they are pre A2 design or a civilian attempt at an A2 copy.


Aren't those Norinco Handguards?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:52:09 PM EDT
Boy, that sure is different.

I'd like to say I've now seen everything, but I bet there's something else out there even wierder than that.

Thanks for sharing.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:58:21 PM EDT
Very....tag...laser....big... Interesting.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:01:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stryfe:

Originally Posted By DrJekl:
Lone Star (I believe) made handguards like these. I am not sure if that is who made these. Note sure if they are pre A2 design or a civilian attempt at an A2 copy.


Aren't those Norinco Handguards?




Nope Norninco handguards look like aribbed condom, literally
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:08:19 PM EDT
I think Lone Star was doing them before Norinco.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:12:12 PM EDT
Lonestar handguards. Bushmaster sold these for awhile too. I had a set when A2 furniture came only on Colts.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:17:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
You should ask Reed Knight, i'm sure he's got 1 or 12 of em...



+1. Look up ColdBlue and ask him to ask for you.

Does the upper have a mil-spec rail like at A3/A4 that the [Doctor Evil on] "lazer" [Doctor Evil off] is mounted on? Or does it just appear to be a cut-off A1 or A2 upper?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:28:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 5:29:59 PM EDT by bmick325]

Originally Posted By DrJekl:
Check that out! That's the upper! Any idea on history?

Lone Star (I believe) made handguards like these. I am not sure if that is who made these. Note sure if they are pre A2 design or a civilian attempt at an A2 copy.

I have a registered lower set up as a XM-607 but I won't put this upper on it. I will probably slap it on an old Colt or CMMG lower I have.

I don't see $6-800 getting this upper when it was new as laser technology was very expensive.

Anyway, I paid less than that for it.



I may be a little off on the price, but $700-800 was a LOT of money for an upper when a new 6550 could be had for around $450.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:29:02 PM EDT
tag

that is an interesting find. would like to know the history also.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 5:51:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SSeric02:

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
You should ask Reed Knight, i'm sure he's got 1 or 12 of em...



+1. Look up ColdBlue and ask him to ask for you.

Does the upper have a mil-spec rail like at A3/A4 that the [Doctor Evil on] "lazer" [Doctor Evil off] is mounted on? Or does it just appear to be a cut-off A1 or A2 upper?



I thought I mentioned that it was a M16A1 upper but maybe not. The upper was cut down for the laser install.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:09:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrJekl:

Originally Posted By SSeric02:

Originally Posted By Zarathustra1:
You should ask Reed Knight, i'm sure he's got 1 or 12 of em...



+1. Look up ColdBlue and ask him to ask for you.

Does the upper have a mil-spec rail like at A3/A4 that the [Doctor Evil on] "lazer" [Doctor Evil off] is mounted on? Or does it just appear to be a cut-off A1 or A2 upper?



I thought I mentioned that it was a M16A1 upper but maybe not. The upper was cut down for the laser install.



Rgr. It's got an teardrop fwd assist and no shell deflector, but I couldn't tell from the picks if the upper was made without the carrying handle or if it was cut down.

Neat find, and I'm curious to hear what you find out.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:43:11 PM EDT
Looks like a prototype " Light Beam " type of Miles system upper.

Does the upper fully function ? whats with the trigger assy ? Kinda looks like you take the trigger assy out of the lower drop this on and run around playing "Bang" I got U with my Beam O light .
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:47:50 PM EDT
Laser tagged....
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 6:57:28 PM EDT
Neat
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:43:24 PM EDT
Sometimes things go Bump in the night.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:04:55 PM EDT
Wow, what a weird looking upper. Laser sight, did you say? What kind of battery does it take?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:56:48 AM EDT
Technology is great, ain't it? Work with the Italian SF back in 1990 and they had a visable red laser mounted on top of a Beretta M12 SMG. Thing was about the size of a 3 Cell MagLite. Then in 94 had a laser that I had mounted ontop of my Mossberg 500 which was the size of two boxes of 5.56 (40rds). Now I have a CT laser grip on my Beretta M9 as I type this.

Good fing, DrJ


CD
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 3:24:56 AM EDT
Dr_J

Have you seen ------> This awesome collection? There are 47 photos of auto weapons and original military firearms


You can enlarge each photo by clicking directly on it

I looked for your unusual find- in a collection that must be among the most extensive anywhere- and couldn't find it

I think the photos are from a one "Reed Knight"

They have probably been seen many times over on the boards here, but there are many new members who may not have seen such historical and authentic samples.

great find DocJ
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:25:37 AM EDT
Tag

gotta' know more.


Congrats on the most excellent score, dude!
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 7:51:54 AM EDT
Unique, to say the least

And tag for when someone who knows what it is comes along.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:33:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 8:46:12 PM EDT
uber-cool
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:44:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Colt-653:
It's a Laser Products Corporation Model 15 integrated laser unit circa 1984...it retailed for $1600 at the time....they made them for Colt and S&W Revolvers, Mini-14's, Remington 870's and Colt 1911's as well as the full size Colt SP1 rifle.


They used to be located at:

Laser Products Corp
18285 Mount Baldy Circle
Fountain Valley, CA 92078



"SURE-FIRE® is a trademark registered by Laser Products Corporation, USA."

I looked them up... here is a little blurb:

"Eventually the SureFire name became so synonymous with excellence in hand-held illumination tools that the company name, Laser Products, was changed to SureFire LLC."

I think you have a great contact to find out more about that upper now! You could find out how many were made, etc.

- BG
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:56:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:57:48 PM EDT by Gunzilla]
beat me to it...
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 5:12:35 AM EDT
Great info! Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 5:25:23 AM EDT
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