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Posted: 2/5/2016 8:04:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/5/2016 8:05:15 PM EDT by Losd]
Ok so I bit the bullet and bought myself an SR 30 KAC lower. I got the SR30 because in this shitty state of California we cannot have SR 15 lowers as they are on the list of banned components we can't have here. The SR30 is a loop hole that I exploited.

Long story short, I really want to make this a complete KAC rifle when it's all said and done. I can sell my BCM gear and some other stuff towards a KAC MOD2 SR15 upper, but I am not sure if it's really worth the $1500-1700 dollar price tag. What do you guys think? Just keep my BCM KMR ELW-F upper, or go full on KAC? Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? Thanks in advance guys, your expertise is appreciated greatly.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 9:15:13 PM EDT
IBTKACF



In before the KAC fanbois.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 9:19:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Losd:
Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC?
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No.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:07:29 PM EDT
The lower is half the reason I love KAC....



Save your money and enjoy the fruits of both companies.  Seriously.  I love my BCM ELWF KMR and I love my Mod 1's....
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:12:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh:
The lower is half the reason I love KAC....

Save your money and enjoy the fruits of both companies.  Seriously.  I love my BCM ELWF KMR and I love my Mod 1's....
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Yeah, I am leaning on keeping the bcm upper, and putting some cash towards a t2 instead.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:25:54 PM EDT
As a bcm fan, I can't see where a knights upper is night and day better, especially vs an elw/kmr upper.  I love mine.  

But if I had a Knights lower, I'd sure as shit put a Knights upper on it.  something about matched components is appealing to me.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:40:33 PM EDT
It is a better upper in every way other than price. No one who has used both or at least understands the system differences will say otherwise. However, you have hit the point of diminishing returns unless you want it for the sake of having a KAC factory upper.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 10:45:03 PM EDT
I first got an SR-30 lower because it was on sale. And it just grew from there.
If you already have the ELW barrel, I'd keep it and just save your money for the KAC because selling it, you'd lose some money.  Where are you in CA? I have an SR-30 lower with an SR-15 mod 2 upper. If you're nearby, you're free to try it out and see if it's something that you would like
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 11:04:48 PM EDT
I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 11:11:55 PM EDT
Love my BCM KMR ELW upper.
Link Posted: 2/5/2016 11:14:29 PM EDT
Keep the BCM upper.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 12:03:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Losd:
I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy.
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you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 1:10:26 AM EDT
As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 1:10:36 AM EDT
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Negligent Discharge.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 2:05:16 AM EDT
I have an SR-15 mod 2 upper on a KAC SR-30 but if I was in your position I probably would not sell the BCM because it's already a good upper.

If you were starting out from scratch I would say yes go get the KAC upper.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 2:22:29 AM EDT
I own a KMR upper and a few Mod 1 uppers. The KAC uppers have to be experienced to be appreciated, and even then, some people won't get it.  

I love my Mod 1 uppers and my BCM KMR upper is my dedicated beater gun. I really don't trust the KMR rail or Keymod.

The Mod 2 MLOK is a thing of beauty.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 2:30:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle.
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That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 3:05:35 AM EDT
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you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine
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Originally Posted By TSpork:
Originally Posted By Losd:
I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy.


you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine


In San Diego. You?
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 10:01:45 AM EDT
Yes.

Better bolt life.

Softer shooting, and you'll have a KAC rifle with your SR-30 lower.
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Originally Posted By Losd:


In San Diego. You?
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Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By TSpork:
Originally Posted By Losd:
I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy.


you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine


In San Diego. You?


South LA/OC. If you make it up sometime, you're free to shoot it as much as you want. Or maybe I'll head down there sometime soon. Either way, offer stands. Then again, an hour and a halfish drive each way might be worthwhile to help you decide if you want to drop the coin
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Dont mess with your current rifle.

When finances allow, pick up a complete SR15 Mod 2 16" and call it a day.

Every AR shooter should have a good 14.5 (which you have) and a good 16".
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Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Dont mess with your current rifle.

When finances allow, pick up a complete SR15 Mod 2 16" and call it a day.

Every AR shooter should have a good 14.5 (which you have) and a good 16".
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In the commie state of California, I cannot buy sr15 complete rifles. I already have a 16" elw-f w/ kmr, so if I were to unload the 14.5 elw-f I'd still be good to go. I think I'm going to get an sr15 upper and just call it a day. If I can get close to 700 for this bcm upper with a bolt and charging handle, and pinned mod 1 comp I'll be able to piece together the rest of the funds.
Link Posted: 2/6/2016 8:44:59 PM EDT
I would get the SR-15 upper and sell the BCM upper.
Link Posted: 2/7/2016 1:31:34 PM EDT
So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK
Link Posted: 2/7/2016 1:36:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:


That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market.
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle.


That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market.


Sold it for a little bit more than I paid luckily, because of that free bcg they were giving away at one time. So much for this crap market. The guy still saved himself some cash though so hes stoked.
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Originally Posted By Losd:
So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK
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Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock
Link Posted: 2/7/2016 8:58:12 PM EDT
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Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock
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Originally Posted By TSpork:
Originally Posted By Losd:
So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK


Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock




Yeah, mine shoots pretty flat as well. Was shooting a Federal XM193 5.56


Link Posted: 2/8/2016 3:32:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Losd:
So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK
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I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available.  Shoot me an email with a price.
Link Posted: 2/8/2016 9:47:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Molon_Labe5118:


I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available.  Shoot me an email with a price.
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Originally Posted By Molon_Labe5118:
Originally Posted By Losd:
So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK


I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available.  Shoot me an email with a price.


ended up unloading them to the guy that bought the upper
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 7:38:49 PM EDT
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 8:02:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Losd:
Ok so I bit the bullet and bought myself an SR 30 KAC lower. I got the SR30 because in this shitty state of California we cannot have SR 15 lowers as they are on the list of banned components we can't have here. The SR30 is a loop hole that I exploited.

Long story short, I really want to make this a complete KAC rifle when it's all said and done. I can sell my BCM gear and some other stuff towards a KAC MOD2 SR15 upper, but I am not sure if it's really worth the $1500-1700 dollar price tag. What do you guys think? Just keep my BCM KMR ELW-F upper, or go full on KAC? Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? Thanks in advance guys, your expertise is appreciated greatly.
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If you're asking the question......you already know the answer!
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 8:40:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?
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It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 8:41:19 PM EDT
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If you're asking the question......you already know the answer!
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Originally Posted By faawrenchbndr:
Originally Posted By Losd:
Ok so I bit the bullet and bought myself an SR 30 KAC lower. I got the SR30 because in this shitty state of California we cannot have SR 15 lowers as they are on the list of banned components we can't have here. The SR30 is a loop hole that I exploited.

Long story short, I really want to make this a complete KAC rifle when it's all said and done. I can sell my BCM gear and some other stuff towards a KAC MOD2 SR15 upper, but I am not sure if it's really worth the $1500-1700 dollar price tag. What do you guys think? Just keep my BCM KMR ELW-F upper, or go full on KAC? Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? Thanks in advance guys, your expertise is appreciated greatly.



If you're asking the question......you already know the answer!


indeed. Will have the upper here wednesday. Then gonna get myself a mams for it.
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Originally Posted By Losd:


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.
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Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.

Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible.  

I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago.  Went with all mod 1s.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 9:18:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By purevl2:

Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible.  

I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago.  Went with all mod 1s.
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Originally Posted By purevl2:
Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.

Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible.  

I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago.  Went with all mod 1s.


I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 9:30:30 PM EDT
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I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago.  Went with all mod 1s.
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Was SO Tempted to pick that up when you had it listed......could always use a spare.
Sadly had a few projects going on at the time and was tapped out.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 9:59:47 PM EDT
For me personally, I'd have to get a KAC upper or sell the lower and replace it with BCM. I just can't stand having a lower from company A and an upper from company B.

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Originally Posted By Mauritius:
For me personally, I'd have to get a KAC upper or sell the lower and replace it with BCM. I just can't stand having a lower from company A and an upper from company B.

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yeah going all KAC on this rifle. Now I need to pick up that mams, micro qd mount, micro battery cover etc lol
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I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550.
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Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By purevl2:
Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.

Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible.  

I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago.  Went with all mod 1s.


I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550.

Oh, that is pretty good.
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Originally Posted By Losd:


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.
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Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.

AVGuns is about 20 minutes from my house. I just picked up my SR15 Mod2 fom them on Saturday. Here it is next to my BCM EHL-F
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Same here. They have a nice shop and have been welcoming.
Link Posted: 2/22/2016 11:26:39 PM EDT
Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16?  Both use the same gas system, right?
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It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.
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Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.

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Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16?  Both use the same gas system, right?

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Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16?  Both use the same gas system, right?
Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.



Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com
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Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com
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Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16?  Both use the same gas system, right?
Originally Posted By Losd:
Originally Posted By Dryflyguy:
I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing.  Did you get the sr15 yet?


It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers.



Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com


I wouldn't let anyone short of Ayan or Marvin Pitts pin a MAMs on a KAC barrel.  Ayan's much faster than Marvin, though.
Link Posted: 2/23/2016 11:21:02 PM EDT
Does a pinned mams or 3 prong flash hider make the 14.5 legal?
Link Posted: 2/23/2016 11:48:05 PM EDT
I know the MAMS does for sure, no 100% positive on the FH though.
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I believe it does. Ayan offers on his site the option to pin the 14.5" and remove from NFA for free. Also, Operation Parts states on there site: "Note: The factory 3 prong flash hider can be pinned to bring the upper to a non-NFA 16" barrel length.  We can also swap the flash hider our for other muzzle devices before shipping.  Just contact us to discuss your needs."
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