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Posted: 8/11/2005 11:03:28 PM EDT

www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_HK416,,00.html?ESRC=soldiertech.nl

By Michael Merrill
With many of our M16/M4 rifles reaching the end of their service lives, we have to find an affordable, acceptable solution, now. Utilizing this inspiration, Heckler & Koch (HK) has been working on an enhanced carbine that would outperform all current competition grade 5.56mm carbines in effort to provide superior performance after the incredibly successful mid-life upgrades to the British SA80 (L85/L86) Weapons System. And now, HK has stepped up to the plate with their newest enhanced carbine -- the HK416.

The HK416 operates on a short-stroke piston gas system that does not introduce propellant gases back into the weapon's interior, therefore reducing carbon fouling and cleaning time. This gas system is not sensitive to barrel length or ammunition changes, and has user-removable components. The HK416 also has a free-floating fore end with an innovative 4-quadrant rail system designed by HK. This enables all current accessories to be fitted to the weapon. The fore end can be removed and reinstalled without tools, and with no loss in zero. This weapon utilizes one of HK's famous cold hammer-forged barrels, which provides a substantial increase in reliability, service life, and operator safety. These barrels are forged with the highest quality steel in a unique manufacturing process. This produces a product that provides superior accuracy for greater than 20,000 rounds with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity.

HK has produced a new high-reliability steel magazine, which is designed to fit any of the STANAG-compatible rifles. Originally developed for the British L85 and L86 weapons, the performance of this curved, 30-round magazine was tested by select U.S., UK, and German forces in three different environments during the firing of more than half a million rounds. These tests showed a 30 to 50 percent improvement over the existing aluminum and polymer magazines currently in the U.S. inventory.

After evaluations by both German and U.S. forces, it has been determined that the HK416 is definitely a contender to become the next generation of assault carbines. There are reports that a number of U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are already using HK416 carbines. Initial reports from the field show the HK416 performs superbly.

The HK416 made its first appearance at the Armed Forces Journal's 2005 Shootout at Blackwater. Evaluators were nearly unanimous in their praise for HK's newest creation. One evaluator had this to say -- “I was amazed at the cleanliness of the bolt and chamber. It's a solid, reliable platform -- a combination of tried-and-true technology with new innovations … keeps the gun cooler, reducing prospects of an inadvertent full auto. And the new MP5 sights are adjustable for range -- a long-overdue improvement.”

It was also noted by another evaluator that after one and a half cases of ammo, there was very little heat transfer to the bolt and the bolt face was still clean. Yet another evaluator commented, "An absolute joy to shoot. More reliable, accurate, clean, cool -- what is there not to like? This upper and this magazine should be the replacement for the M-16/M-4 right now. The steel magazine, closed gas system, and short-stroke piston solve many of the current problems with the M-16/M-4 series, and represent a more effective, better and much less expensive solution to our weapons needs than the XM-8 ... At a time when many of our rifles and carbines have reached the end of their service lives, replacing the uppers and magazines with H&K's M416 components would seem to be a very logical move."

One evaluator paid the HK416 the ultimate compliment -- "Fantastic. If I could take any weapon out of here today to combat, it would be this one."

Forum

Posted: 8/11/2005 11:20:24 PM EDT

[#1]

I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range

And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

Posted: 8/12/2005 12:21:02 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

Somewhere someone on here had a link to a place that was selling the front and rear set for like $250ish if I remember correctly. As to where you can purchase them I do not know, but I am sure someone will come along and hook you up with a link.

Posted: 8/12/2005 3:11:31 AM EDT

[#3]

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I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

the sights?

Vector Arms sells the diopter sights for $35 ea.

I haven't been able to determine whether that is a picatinny rail mount version but it is clearly the same 'style' sight.

worth looking into

as for the M416...........

It makes financial sense to go this route versus the SCAR, or the XM8

This- almost overnight- upgrades the small arms of our military and ultimately would save a lot of money and maybe a few lives (based on the lower likelihood of misfiring due to 'cleaning' issues)

I'd say go for it

and I'll take one in a 14.5" please

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:12:25 AM EDT

[#4]

Link with info about sights : www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=242550

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:25:52 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

Notice the raised rail on the upper receiver?? look at the slight ramp up from the rear of the receiver to hwere the rail actually start....

The BUIS will not work on a regualr AR because the HK upper is about 3/8th higher then a standard upper. your HK BUIS will sit 3/8 too low for your atandard AR front sight. unless you get full rail and use their front sight.

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:31:18 AM EDT

[#6]

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The BUIS will not work on a regualr AR because the HK upper is about 3/8th higher then a standard upper. your HK BUIS will sit 3/8 too low for your atandard AR front sight. unless you get full rail and use their front sight.

Its almost like they want you to have to pay for the full HK ticket.........

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:49:38 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
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I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

Notice the raised rail on the upper receiver?? look at the slight ramp up from the rear of the receiver to hwere the rail actually start....

The BUIS will not work on a regualr AR because the HK upper is about 3/8th higher then a standard upper. your HK BUIS will sit 3/8 too low for your atandard AR front sight. unless you get full rail and use their front sight.

Yep, the raised rail is not good, it makes the upper totally proprietary.

Have they lowered the hieght of the sights to maintain the same bore distance or just raised the whole sight distance over the bore?

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:59:09 AM EDT

[#8]

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I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

Notice the raised rail on the upper receiver?? look at the slight ramp up from the rear of the receiver to hwere the rail actually start....

The BUIS will not work on a regualr AR because the HK upper is about 3/8th higher then a standard upper. your HK BUIS will sit 3/8 too low for your atandard AR front sight. unless you get full rail and use their front sight.

Yep, the raised rail is not good, it makes the upper totally proprietary.

Have they lowered the hieght of the sights to maintain the same bore distance or just raised the whole sight distance over the bore?

Good question Ridge, i never compare the two... never had the chance to sit the two side by side. I might be able to have another look by the end of the month. I will let you know.

As far as those neato butt stock... I can sell you one from RRA or Busmaster... and paint a HK logo on it for you. They are exact the same units.. the non-mil-spec buffer tube after market enhanced M4 copies. notice the pictures posted with operators using the weapon.. great gun but they change the stock to Crane units...

Posted: 8/12/2005 9:34:04 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I want one of those rear sights.
Im only guessing but if they are available id say they will be in the $150-200 range
And one of those Neato HK buttstocks

+1, would look nice on my A3 + Samson rails

Posted: 8/12/2005 9:38:30 AM EDT

[#10]

you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Posted: 8/12/2005 9:40:20 AM EDT

[#11]

God I want one or three.

Posted: 8/12/2005 10:31:53 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Posted: 8/12/2005 10:38:49 AM EDT

[#13]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

+1

Posted: 8/12/2005 11:11:47 AM EDT

[#14]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

Posted: 8/12/2005 11:16:26 AM EDT

[#15]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

Not by me.

I do agree though, it was odd.

Posted: 8/12/2005 12:45:53 PM EDT

[#16]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

My point was exactly that. The Crane Clones sold pretty well and they are holding up very well. Someone pointed out that the stock could be had easily- that there's nothing special-H&K about it- just the logo.

Take the chip off of your shoulder.

Posted: 8/12/2005 4:26:10 PM EDT

[#17]

A new upper would be a great time to do the caliber change to 6.8mm. This is not a time to buy another 5.56mm system. Forty years was enough.

Posted: 8/12/2005 5:07:00 PM EDT

[#18]

Y'all can have the HK stocks, it won't fit on a milspec/Colt tube. Looks like it's made by the same folks that make them for Bushy and RRA

Posted: 8/12/2005 5:51:57 PM EDT

[#19]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

My point was exactly that. The Crane Clones sold pretty well and they are holding up very well. Someone pointed out that the stock could be had easily- that there's nothing special-H&K about it- just the logo.

Take the chip off of your shoulder.

Yeah because we all know airsoft clones must be just as good since they look the same

Just because sheeple buy the shit on the EE or eBay doesn't mean it's any better than the imported chinese garbage like Leapers that it is. It might work fine sitting in your safe, or at the range for light duty, but if you ever have to take it to a serious tactical carbine course or NTC you might get to see how worthless airsoft copies really are on actual firearms. Of course people that believe in using airsoft garbage on firearms won't understand that you get what you pay for until the stuff breaks on them or fails to perform. For the life of me I can't understand why some find it necessary to constantly bring up the topic of pellet air guns on a firearms forum. Please take it to the toy gun forum where it belongs.

Anyway, back on track with the HK 416 uppers and sorry for the diversion.

Posted: 8/12/2005 6:00:23 PM EDT

[#20]

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Y'all can have the HK stocks, it won't fit on a milspec/Colt tube. Looks like it's made by the same folks that make them for Bushy and RRA

Likely CMT, they will mold whatever logo you Want, like CMMG, RRA or the like. Quality stocks if they are, but likely H&K would charge a premium for the privilege. When I still had my H&K SL8-1, they charged me $50 for a damn sling and $39 for a plastic 10-round mag.

I like H&K products, but they rape you on accessories and I don't like that.

Posted: 8/12/2005 6:53:27 PM EDT

[#21]

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as for the M416...........

It makes financial sense to go this route versus the SCAR, or the XM8

This- almost overnight- upgrades the small arms of our military and ultimately would save a lot of money and maybe a few lives (based on the lower likelihood of misfiring due to 'cleaning' issues)

I'd say go for it

and I'll take one in a 14.5" please

I doubt HK could supply the uppers alone for the price of a new M4.

I'd sure like to have one though.

Posted: 8/12/2005 6:56:04 PM EDT

[#22]

David Pennington posted this on another forum:

HK416 complete + upper receiver kit pricing

"There has been a lot of speculation about the pricing on these units and here are the facts:

-10.5" upper receiver conversion units, with buffer, spring, 1 magazine, and free floating rail is selling for $1105.

-14.5-20" upper receiver conversion units are selling for $1130. Only 14.5" units are currently being sold.

These prices apply to federal and military agency purchases only.

Complete HK416s are priced as follows:

-HK416 10" is selling for $1570 military, $1700 federal
-HK416 14.5" is selling for $1596, $1730 federal

No sights are included in any package."

Posted: 8/12/2005 7:38:08 PM EDT

[#23]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

My point was exactly that. The Crane Clones sold pretty well and they are holding up very well. Someone pointed out that the stock could be had easily- that there's nothing special-H&K about it- just the logo.

Take the chip off of your shoulder.

Yeah because we all know airsoft clones must be just as good since they look the same heeple For the life of me I can't understand why some find it necessary to constantly bring up the topic of pellet air guns on a firearms forum. Please take it to the toy gun forum where it belongs.

Anyway, back on track with the HK 416 uppers and sorry for the diversion. hinking.gif

What's the point of comments like this? I guess you haven't figured out yet that everyone on planet earth isn't the same? Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that a cheapo Leapers red dot is as good or better than an Eotech or Aimpoint, but all three are red dots. They pretty much do the same thing. So for a guy that maybe shoots his rifle a dozen times a year at about 100 or 200 rounds a time, maybe the cheap stuff is fine. Maybe it would last five or six years at that rate. All I'm saying is that not everyone here is military or LEO, and doesn't need to have every tactical accessory that someone in the military has.

Posted: 8/12/2005 7:51:03 PM EDT

[#24]

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you could just get one of the unmarked RRA buttstocks pete sells and burnish or brand the logo into it.

hell, wait a month and go to www.airsoftatlanta.com and get one!

ETA: I'm not trying to start a war, just saying that anything trendy can be picked up and repro'd quickly by the airsoft companies.

Why would you even bother posting this? Nobody in this thread is even remotely interested in airsoft copies of anything.

Thats odd, because the Airsoft copies of the CRANE/SOPMOD stocks were selling like wildfire on the EE before the LMTs came out and the originals were $400+

My point was exactly that. The Crane Clones sold pretty well and they are holding up very well. Someone pointed out that the stock could be had easily- that there's nothing special-H&K about it- just the logo.

Take the chip off of your shoulder.

Yeah because we all know airsoft clones must be just as good since they look the same

Just because sheeple buy the shit on the EE or eBay doesn't mean it's any better than the imported chinese garbage like Leapers that it is. It might work fine sitting in your safe, or at the range for light duty, but if you ever have to take it to a serious tactical carbine course or NTC you might get to see how worthless airsoft copies really are on actual firearms. Of course people that believe in using airsoft garbage on firearms won't understand that you get what you pay for until the stuff breaks on them or fails to perform. For the life of me I can't understand why some find it necessary to constantly bring up the topic of pellet air guns on a firearms forum. Please take it to the toy gun forum where it belongs.

Anyway, back on track with the HK 416 uppers and sorry for the diversion.

What's the point of comments like this? I guess you haven't figured out yet that everyone on planet earth isn't the same? Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that a cheapo Leapers red dot is as good or better than an Eotech or Aimpoint, but all three are red dots. They pretty much do the same thing. So for a guy that maybe shoots his rifle a dozen times a year at about 100 or 200 rounds a time, maybe the cheap stuff is fine. Maybe it would last five or six years at that rate. All I'm saying is that not everyone here is military or LEO, and doesn't need to have every tactical accessory that someone in the military has.

I WROTE THE COMMENT BECAUSE I AM SICK OF SEEING FUCKING 'AIRSOFT' IN EVERY THREAD I READ.

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:25:36 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_HK416,,00.html?ESRC=soldiertech.nl

images.military.com/pics/SoldierTech_HK416-1.jpg

By Michael Merrill
With many of our M16/M4 rifles reaching the end of their service lives, we have to find an affordable, acceptable solution, now. Utilizing this inspiration, Heckler & Koch (HK) has been working on an enhanced carbine that would outperform all current competition grade 5.56mm carbines in effort to provide superior performance after the incredibly successful mid-life upgrades to the British SA80 (L85/L86) Weapons System. And now, HK has stepped up to the plate with their newest enhanced carbine -- the HK416.

The HK416 operates on a short-stroke piston gas system that does not introduce propellant gases back into the weapon's interior, therefore reducing carbon fouling and cleaning time. This gas system is not sensitive to barrel length or ammunition changes, and has user-removable components. The HK416 also has a free-floating fore end with an innovative 4-quadrant rail system designed by HK. This enables all current accessories to be fitted to the weapon. The fore end can be removed and reinstalled without tools, and with no loss in zero. This weapon utilizes one of HK's famous cold hammer-forged barrels, which provides a substantial increase in reliability, service life, and operator safety. These barrels are forged with the highest quality steel in a unique manufacturing process. This produces a product that provides superior accuracy for greater than 20,000 rounds with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity.

HK has produced a new high-reliability steel magazine, which is designed to fit any of the STANAG-compatible rifles. Originally developed for the British L85 and L86 weapons, the performance of this curved, 30-round magazine was tested by select U.S., UK, and German forces in three different environments during the firing of more than half a million rounds. These tests showed a 30 to 50 percent improvement over the existing aluminum and polymer magazines currently in the U.S. inventory.

After evaluations by both German and U.S. forces, it has been determined that the HK416 is definitely a contender to become the next generation of assault carbines. There are reports that a number of U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are already using HK416 carbines. Initial reports from the field show the HK416 performs superbly.

The HK416 made its first appearance at the Armed Forces Journal's 2005 Shootout at Blackwater. Evaluators were nearly unanimous in their praise for HK's newest creation. One evaluator had this to say -- “I was amazed at the cleanliness of the bolt and chamber. It's a solid, reliable platform -- a combination of tried-and-true technology with new innovations … keeps the gun cooler, reducing prospects of an inadvertent full auto. And the new MP5 sights are adjustable for range -- a long-overdue improvement.”

It was also noted by another evaluator that after one and a half cases of ammo, there was very little heat transfer to the bolt and the bolt face was still clean. Yet another evaluator commented, "An absolute joy to shoot. More reliable, accurate, clean, cool -- what is there not to like? This upper and this magazine should be the replacement for the M-16/M-4 right now. The steel magazine, closed gas system, and short-stroke piston solve many of the current problems with the M-16/M-4 series, and represent a more effective, better and much less expensive solution to our weapons needs than the XM-8 ... At a time when many of our rifles and carbines have reached the end of their service lives, replacing the uppers and magazines with H&K's M416 components would seem to be a very logical move."

One evaluator paid the HK416 the ultimate compliment -- "Fantastic. If I could take any weapon out of here today to combat, it would be this one."

Forum

Tweak,

There are so many people on that board overflowing with shit, it make this place look like MIT.

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:32:34 PM EDT

[#26]

Guys, dont crap in this thread. I your not discussing the topic at hand, take it to another thread.

Posted: 8/12/2005 8:38:59 PM EDT

[#27]

OK, back to the point. The pushrod gas system fixes the last glaring problem of the AR-15 family except for the caliber. No more propellant gas and carbon dumped back to gum up the feed system.

Everything other than that just takes carb and choke cleaner, Q-tips, and some dental picks.

Posted: 8/12/2005 9:33:32 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
OK, back to the point. The pushrod gas system fixes the last glaring problem of the AR-15 family except for the caliber. No more propellant gas and carbon dumped back to gum up the feed system.

Everything other than that just takes carb and choke cleaner, Q-tips, and some dental picks.

Do you still think the caliber is an issue with the Mk 262 Mod 1 77gr munition? Everything I have managed to find on it indicates it makes the 5.56mm much more lethal, and more effective out to longer ranges. Even a marginally heavier caliber such as 6.8mm means compromises such as a smaller basic load and smaller magazine capacity.

Posted: 8/13/2005 2:23:13 AM EDT

[#29]

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There are so many people on that board overflowing with shit, it make this place look like MIT.

Why else would I link it?

Posted: 8/13/2005 8:36:01 PM EDT

[#30]

One feature that the HK416 has that I wish we could get here is the cold hammer forged barrel. From what I have read (and has been discussed here before) is that the hammer forging makes the barrel much stronger. I have never seen a hammer forged AR15/M16 barrel for sale in the US.

Posted: 8/13/2005 8:47:33 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
OK, back to the point. The pushrod gas system fixes the last glaring problem of the AR-15 family except for the caliber. No more propellant gas and carbon dumped back to gum up the feed system.

Everything other than that just takes carb and choke cleaner, Q-tips, and some dental picks.

That is because troops often are cleaning it for an inspection and not for serviceability. When I was a CO, one of the first thing I did was change how my Marine cleaned weapons and than how my 2111 armories received weapons back from the Marines, it was a tremendous waste of time, time that was better spent on PT and other training. Instead of scrubbing the finish off a weapon that had not been fired in weeks or month, we did did presevation cleaning if they hadn't been fired and white q-tips were not issued. Also I was making inroads into the "over lubing" of weapons prior to shooting, for some reason most SNCO's believe the weapon cannot function unless CLP was dripping from it, enough so that a sludge rapidly formed the first time the wind blew and kicked up any dust.

Posted: 8/14/2005 6:35:47 AM EDT

[#32]

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OK, back to the point. The pushrod gas system fixes the last glaring problem of the AR-15 family except for the caliber. No more propellant gas and carbon dumped back to gum up the feed system.

Everything other than that just takes carb and choke cleaner, Q-tips, and some dental picks.

The piston is a fix for timing issues in the carbine length systems. You still have to clean the environmental fouling from the outside world out of the weapon. Cleaner is nice but not what make things run better. I have never been able to generate enough carbon fouling to "gum" up an AR-15/M-16.

Why the hell anyone would need dental picks, especially on a piston weapon is beyond me. The -10 mentions them nowhere and I have never used them.

Posted: 8/14/2005 10:21:36 AM EDT

[#33]

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I have never been able to generate enough carbon fouling to "gum" up an AR-15/M-16.

I have succeeded in doing this with blanks in an M16, but never with ball ammo.

Posted: 8/15/2005 4:24:15 AM EDT

[#34]

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I have never seen a hammer forged AR15/M16 barrel for sale in the US.

Find a blank and have one made. The Diemaco builds use hammer forged barrels.

Any rifle will fail if not maintained. I have seen ARs fail from carbon build up on the tail of the bolt. Beyond a certain point rounds failed before a malfunction caused by a lack of cleaning is a useless number. Rounds fired before parts failure is more of a concern.

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