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Posted: 10/27/2004 7:57:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 1:45:47 PM EST by Buzz70]
Just got my new Bushy XM15. It's NIB and I can't get the damn bolt to open. I pull on the charging handle and the bolt comes approximately half way back and stops. Feels like it's catching on something. I tried banging the buttstock on the ground and pulling the charging handle to no avail. I took the upper off and the bolt carrier and charging handle slide just fine. I pushed in the buffer and it seems to move just fine. I have a tele stock on it and for grins I extended it to see if it made a difference, no good. Like I said this is a brand new in box and I would think it would be flawless. I'm new to this and I hope it's not sign of things to come. Any help would be appreciated. IF YOU GUYS CAN'T HELP ME THEN NOBODY CAN!!!hipped
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:00:16 PM EST
Take the upper and lower apart. Check the buffer tube and spring for anything stuck or anything that looks weird.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:04:25 PM EST
Also check the charging handle and bolt carrier to make sure it moves completely smooth from all the way closed to open.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:05:50 PM EST
The charging handle may be hanging up/draging on the top of the lower receiver?
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:06:04 PM EST
Rifle length buffer in a carbine tube, perhaps? Take out the buffer and measure the length of it and also look at the pictures on

AR15 Buffers
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:06:29 PM EST
come on come on! crack that baby open already! The curious mind wants to know WTF is wrong w/ it!
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:08:44 PM EST
-1 for Bushmaster.

Just kidding, I'm sure there's a logical explanation for this, I wouldn't think it'd leave the factory all fucked up.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:09:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 8:10:41 PM EST by FALARAK]
Sounds to me like you have a rifle length buffer in a carbine tube.

Buffers: www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/buffers/
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:12:07 PM EST
Yeah I said I'm sure it wouldn't leave the factory like that, but with all the back orders and how far behind they are...maybe it did. If it did leave the factory with the wrong buffer that's pretty lame.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:13:53 PM EST
I wish I had it in front of me right now to check. Unfortunately I'm at work right now and won't be able to follow up until the morning. If it is wrong I'll give Bushmaster a friendly call.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 12:08:50 AM EST
Still at work...can't wait to get home and check the buffer. Any other ideas while I'm waiting???
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 2:05:28 AM EST
tagged cause I want to know
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 2:28:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:41:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 3:43:29 AM EST by Buzz70]
I just got home and pulled out the buffer. It has the R6600 HBAR buffer. Which one should it have??? I presume the R6001 Carbine buffer. Please advise...hinking.gif The current one is 6" and the buffer spring is approx. 13".
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:50:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
I just got home and pulled out the buffer. It has the R6600 HBAR buffer. Which one should it have??? I presume the R6001 Carbine buffer. Please advise... The current one is 6" and the buffer spring is approx. 13".



You have the wrong buffer and spring. Those are for a rifle. A carbine buffer is 3.25" long, and the spring is 10.5-11" long.

Bushmaster shipped that, directly to your dealer, brand new, and nobody messed with it? Thats uncanny they would ship a factory built rifle like that without even a function check. Gotta be more to this story.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:55:11 AM EST
I wonder if the dealer installed the tele stock afterwards. Just so you know the hammer was cocked at some point, because when I first started messing with the bolt I performed a dry fire and the hammer dropped. Dunno, kinda weird. I'll be calling the dealer I bought it from today and see if he can shed some light. If it DID come from Bushmaster like that I'll give them a call. Either way, I hope the dealer has the correct buffer so I can run over and get it taken care of today. I sincerely appreciate everyone's expertise on this forum. I've only been a member for a shot time and I've learned a lot. Thanks, and I'll let you know how it turns out.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:59:03 AM EST
ANy dealer should have those parts.... or be able to swap them from a rifle he has. I am betting thats a dealer built rifle.... not from Bushmaster.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:23:41 AM EST
It came with the box it was shipped in, the new Bushmaster hard carry case, sling, mag, owners manual and warranty card. It's definitely a Busy upper and lower without a scratch on it. If it's not directly from Bushmaster he went through a lot of trouble making it look that way. I pulled out the shipping box and the serial on the box matches the lower. It came from RSR Group FL Inc, 4405 Metric Drive, Winter Park, FL 32792. Every heard of them??? I'll check around on the internet.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:26:27 AM EST
RSR Group is a wholesale dealer.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:20:13 AM EST
So what's up? Did you get the parts replaced?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:48:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
I just got home and pulled out the buffer. It has the R6600 HBAR buffer. Which one should it have??? I presume the R6001 Carbine buffer. Please advise... The current one is 6" and the buffer spring is approx. 13".



You have the wrong buffer and spring. Those are for a rifle. A carbine buffer is 3.25" long, and the spring is 10.5-11" long.

Bushmaster shipped that, directly to your dealer, brand new, and nobody messed with it? Thats uncanny they would ship a factory built rifle like that without even a function check. Gotta be more to this story.



I agree. BM would test the carbine before shipment, so I'll bet someone f'ed with it somewhere along the line.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:52:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 7:35:24 AM EST by bump0x]



Originally Posted By ar15zams:

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
I just got home and pulled out the buffer. It has the R6600 HBAR buffer. Which one should it have??? I presume the R6001 Carbine buffer. Please advise... The current one is 6" and the buffer spring is approx. 13".



You have the wrong buffer and spring. Those are for a rifle. A carbine buffer is 3.25" long, and the spring is 10.5-11" long.

Bushmaster shipped that, directly to your dealer, brand new, and nobody messed with it? Thats uncanny they would ship a factory built rifle like that without even a function check. Gotta be more to this story.



I agree. BM would test the carbine before shipment, so I'll bet someone f'ed with it somewhere along the line.



+1
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 7:08:54 AM EST
My Bushy was flawless, still havent installed my collaspable stock yet. I would say it was aftermarket change. Someone probally had a bunch of postbans they wanted to make banless.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:32:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
My Bushy was flawless, still havent installed my collaspable stock yet. I would say it was aftermarket change. Someone probally had a bunch of postbans they wanted to make banless.



Yup, and calling Bushmaster will settle this issue. They'll be able to tell you how it went out.

A guy here where I live ordered a Bushy M4 from the asshole dealer in my town. He got a rifle that was an obvious fucked up build. Bushy lower, aftermarket telestock, and some kind of upper with a DPMS bbl and some chessy parts on it. And the cocksucker had the nerve to charge him $1500. No shit.
Of course the guy(young and inexperienced) just got a Springfiled 1911 from him for $1440 so I guess he figured he could gouge him harder this time around. Ripping off people with guns does not seem like a profession with much of a future in it to me.

Same guy tried to jerk me a couple of years ago. I stood right there in front of him, pulled out my cellphone and called ATF. Fucker. Took 2 hours, lots of ranting, threats and intimidation but I held my ground and prevailed. He got pissed at me because I wouldn't give him narcotics. At least that is my opinion on it. I have more damn problems with Narcs. Just about every bad patient interaction I have is about drugs. this guy wasn't a patient BTW, just wanted me to write him scripts. Yeah right, fuck off.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 2:14:18 PM EST
Problem resolved...It was the wrong buffer. Went back to the dealer, he replaced it and all is fine. He told me to keep the old buffer in case I ever needed it down the road. I'm glad that's all it was. I just missed getting Bushmaster customer service. They are closed for the evening. I'm still curious to see if it was shipped out that way. If it was I'll place the final post here.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:30:37 PM EST
Dangit! I forgot to have him swap out the spring and it's hard as hell to get the bolt to lock back. Oh, well...I'll get the shorter spring from him tomorrow. Hey he has two Colt 30rnd mags with the green followers, $50 for both, good price??? If so I'll pick them up tomorrow when I get the spring.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:33:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
Dangit! I forgot to have him swap out the spring and it's hard as hell to get the bolt to lock back. Oh, well...I'll get the shorter spring from him tomorrow. Hey he has two Colt 30rnd mags with the green followers, $50 for both, good price??? If so I'll pick them up tomorrow when I get the spring.



No, price sucks. Check the equipment exchange.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:48:52 PM EST
Start looking for a new dealer.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:43:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Buzz70:
Hey he has two Colt 30rnd mags with the green followers, $50 for both, good price???



Hell no!


If so I'll pick them up tomorrow when I get the spring.


Unless you really like the guy..... I would find a new dealer as well. Sold you a bum rifle and ass raping on mags.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:51:15 PM EST
Is your dealer related to you? If not, tell that crook to fuck off. The spring and buffer thing is bullshit that he did and that price on the mags sucks dog weiner. There's no reason to pay more than $15 or so for good mags. I ordered a few the other day for less than that.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:52:39 PM EST
Thx for the info. I'll pass on the mags and check in the equipment exchange section. I currently have one 10rnd and two 20rnd, since I just got into AR's. That will do me for now I suppose, however I do want a couple of 30 rounders soon. I'll keep my eye open. Before I pass judgement on this dealer I'll wait to see what Bushmaster has to say tomorrow. Post findings here.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:11:02 PM EST
Cool. FYI - New AR mags are right around $10 - $12..... and used wont be much cheaper than that for a while.... until all us mag whores (who paid $15-$20 for ours) realize they aint worth crap and start letting em go for $5-$8 again.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 1:46:09 PM EST
Turns out it was shipped from the factory with a standard stock according to Bushmaster. Either the wholesaler or the dealer installed the tele-stock with the wrong buffer and spring. The dealer made things right and went out of his way to ensure I was satisfied. He provided me with the correct buffer/spring and an additional spring. He told me to keep the rifle buffer and spring for a later build. I appreciate the advise. Was an easy fix afterall.
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