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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:19:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:14:41 PM EDT by norbyx]
Hi,
I am bit new at this so I will try to explane breefly. I live in Costa Rica and I just got myself a used AR15A2. I bought it from a gunshop that a frend recomended but another frend told me that the owner of that gunshop makes mods on firearms and this isn't compleately legal here. I would like to know if the AR 15 I got is normal or not, because I heard that this person could have changed the serials.
On the rifle it says:
Colt
AR-15A2
CAL 223
1113662

now first strange things the C on the CAL is a bit faded while the AL are perfect

Over the trigger it says
COLT'S FIREARMS DIVISION
COLT INDUSTRIES
HARTFORD. CONN.
USA

Now also strange here the DIVISION is like new and the other signs are normal.

Fire selector states
SAFE and SEMI

Is all this normal?
Am I worried for nothing or is there something wrong? As this friends says that the fire selector should say SAFE and FIRE and not Semi, is this always true? and why hasn't the serial some letters in front as this forums show it should?

Thanks For the help
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:35:50 PM EDT
It isn't uncommon for rollmarks to be uneven.

If you have large amounts of concern, post a picture for us to view, and you can probably get a better answer.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:40:57 PM EDT
The serial number you posted has an extra digit.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:45:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 5:45:39 PM EDT by Ekie]
Should be marked like this:

Colt Logo COLT
AR-15A2
CAL. .223
SPORTER II
SER SP 3XXXXX
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:59:58 PM EDT
Ok than there is something wrong. The serial is as it is so there is this extra digit. The rifle also doesn't state this sporter II and on the caliber it states 223 not .223
I will try to post a picture.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:12:28 PM EDT by norbyx]
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:17:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:18:15 PM EDT by Spooge5150]
Hey. Ya got yourself a full auto conversion. I see a sear pin.


In the U.S.A. That is a NFA weapon.


ETA: Take a pic of the inside of the lower so we can see.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:19:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:20:36 PM EDT by ZW17]
Try flicking the selector to the 3oclock position and pull the trigger. Let me know what happens and post video if you can.

ETA: How much did you pay for it?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:21:45 PM EDT by norbyx]
What is the sear pin? No way I can put the selector in the 3rd position it wont go....
And for what concerns costs here this wepons are quite expensive and hard to find. I payed $2600
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:21:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:22:59 PM EDT by Spooge5150]

Originally Posted By norbyx:
What is the sear pin? No way I can put the selector in the 3rd position it wont go....



The pin right after the word DIVISION


Again post a pic of the inside of the lower so we can see what ya got.


ETA: DAMN I need to move to Costa Rica.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:21:10 PM EDT
you lucky bastard, I gotta see whats inside....
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:23:25 PM EDT
well after the division there is nothing inside... in any case if I would have wanted a full auto version I could have gotten one for less but it isn't legal here.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:27:17 PM EDT
Then it is a lower that is made to run full auto with semi auto parts inside and the sear pin hole blocked up with something.


Post a pic of the inside of the lower and we can be sure.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:27:47 PM EDT
take a picture of the inside!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:30:36 PM EDT
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/norberto75/AR15-2.jpg

This is the best I can do with the webcam
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:32:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:34:16 PM EDT by Spooge5150]
OH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!


That is a FULL AUTO LOWER! With Semi auto parts inside. Don't part with it.

ETA: Full Auto hammer installed also.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:33:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:35:14 PM EDT by donovan007007]
ar15 parts inside, no m16 parts. keep it, do not ever get rid of it either. When SHTF you know what to do.....................
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:33:42 PM EDT
How can you tell? What are the diffrences?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:34:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
ar15 parts inside, no m16 parts.



Look at the hammer.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:36:12 PM EDT
youre right........... m16 hammer
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:37:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By norbyx:
How can you tell? What are the diffrences?





Full auto on right like yours, just you don't have the sear installed.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:37:52 PM EDT
yall sure it just isnt a sear block pin with the block removed?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:37:55 PM EDT
Doesnt this violate some GCA laws somehow?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:38:31 PM EDT
very nice but the markings COLT AR15-A2 and the SN look strange to me.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:38:37 PM EDT
nor does he have the holes open anymore either, looks welded.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:38:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eklikwhoa:
yall sure it just isnt a sear block pin with the block removed?




Yes I am sure.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:41:10 PM EDT
Are machine guns legal in costa rica?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:44:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 6:48:20 PM EDT by norbyx]
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:45:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Szurgot:
Doesnt this violate some GCA laws somehow?



User location?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:47:28 PM EDT
machine guns aren't legal here this is why I would like to make shure of what I bought. Aparently this wepon has all the papers as it should but in the moment I have to traspass posession of this to myself that the wepon control enthity has to check the weapon to make shure it is not a full auto one.
I do know this is not one but I could have trouble if it was one and was converted to semi auto. Now things are getting a little more painfull here so it is better to be on the safe side.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:57:40 PM EDT
It WAS full auto. It still has the M16 hammer. Cant tell from those pics about the rest. Your missing the auto sear which fits in that pin whole at the end of the word division. If you installed the auto sear, I suspect it would shoot full auto no problem. As it is, without the sear, its a semi only gun.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:59:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:01:21 PM EDT by Triumph955i]
You are sitting on something very sweet.


I have to traspass posession of this to myself that the wepon control enthity has to check the weapon to make shure it is not a full auto one.


Tresspass posession? What does that mean?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:02:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:
nor does he have the holes open anymore either, looks welded.



That would be my guess. It used to be a full-auto, but someone puled the sear and welded up the pin hole. If it was a sear block hole, it would only show on the opposite side, as they were blind pinned.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:07:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:07:50 PM EDT by BravoCompanyUSA]
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:12:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:13:35 PM EDT by BravoCompanyUSA]
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:20:11 PM EDT
Here there was a time that machine guns where legal, this was in the 1980s than the law changed and there was the possibility to legalize any full auto converting it to semi auto. Now this might be the case of this wepon. But the dought is here. AR-15 Stands for semi auto, so if the body of this wepon is a full auto one than it shouldn't state AR15 on the side.
Second the sears holes are tapped on both sides. I understand that it would be easy as to just drill the sears again and put the pice inside to make it full auto. This is the part that makes me worry, the goverment weapon check, ok ok let me explane things a little.

All weapons have a registerd owner. This owner makes you a sale letter when you buy a used weapon. I have the letter, now I have to go to the goverment weapon control to present my documents and the weapon to chage the ownership to my name. If the weapon is illegal, with this isn't but it might be doughtfull, than they keep it and you loose your weapon and risk to have BIG legal problems, if not they just hang it over to you and you will have the weapon registered to your name untill you decide to sell it.
Here it is easy to find fully automatic weapons at low prices since they are illegal, but a weapon like this, legal, makes the prices rise a lot.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:24:32 PM EDT
M16 usuly do have a 6 digit serial #. But if it is an M16 lower, it would have a BURST marking on it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:25:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:26:38 PM EDT by scottryan]
Your lower looks like the writing was welded over and remarked, then the lower was refinished.

The horse logo and the "COLT" appear like that on a non "US Property" marked M16A1

It looks like someone took a M16A1, and redid some of the lettering.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:26:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:28:00 PM EDT by txgp17]

Originally Posted By norbyx:
How can you tell? What are the diffrences?


Check this out for more answers and side by side comparisons. www.quarterbore.com/nfa/registeredreceiver.htm

You lucky joker.....@#$%&!!!
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:27:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:35:12 PM EDT by Ekie]
Been gone a bit, missed out on the action. That is a factory Colt's full auto. Notice how the Colt logo is centered. The following has been welded over, AUTO, the CAL marking, Model nomenclature, and serial number. Then it was stamped with the AR-15A2 markings, CAL 223 and serial number.

Not sure if the COLT stamping is factory or not.

The serial number is not factory, FYI a 1,000,000 series Colt would date from 1968, and that lower is much later.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:31:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:32:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:33:50 PM EDT by Ekie]
Here is what it looked like prior to the weld and retamp job:



Now it might not have been stamped M16A1, but that would be my first guess. Lots of options here.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:34:11 PM EDT
I wish ths weapons wouldn't be so hard to find here, and just give this one back and get a normal AR15.

I apreciate everyones help here and I will try to fix things tomorow with the person that sold it to me, because I don't want to loose this one and I bought it the red dot sight just today....

Thanks again to everyone. If I can help please just ask....


Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:35:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:37:09 PM EDT by HarrySacz]
Does anyone else think that the area where BURST would be looks different? It looks shallow. Maybe i am just seeing things.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:50:19 PM EDT
wel it does look diffrent in the picture, it was placed on a flatbed scanner. In real it doesn't
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:59:47 PM EDT
Anyone familiar with export Colt markings and serial numbers?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:19:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stickman:
Anyone familiar with export Colt markings and serial numbers?



I have my hand up.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:43:27 PM EDT
Nice....

I wish I had that here as a registered dewat here. It would be reconstuted in a heartbeat just as soon as I got the form 4 back.

Of course, we all know that would never happen here. And yes, I've read that some dewats can be brought back into working order if the taxes were paid before 1986.

Too bad about the rollmarks.

Nice find.

Calling Marty McFly and Doc Brown!
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:59:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 10:02:26 PM EDT by dpmmn]
When I first seen the "pony" I thought it was a M-16A1..........The AR-15A2 threw me off a bit





What is all over the rifle?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:48:39 AM EDT
Aint it a strange world where one counterfiets a full auto weapon into a semi auto weapon in order to make more money

if this conversion was on the up and up with the paperwork registered with the Costa Rican government I would guess that it was one many cheap M-16's converted to Semi Auto because they can charge so much for a non full auto

is this where I say I'll offer to trade
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:01:04 AM EDT
Interesting. I learned something. Cool.
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