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Posted: 10/11/2004 10:51:21 PM EDT
What is a good commercial load for defeating barriers such as automotive glass? Would SS109 be better than Hornady 75 TAP? What other readily available rounds would you consider?
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 10:56:43 PM EDT
I believe S.W.A.T. Magazine did an article on Glass.... You might want to inquire in the S.W.A.T. Section of the Forum.

SWAT

MT
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 10:59:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 1:50:25 AM EDT
.50 BMG or 40mm!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:07:38 AM EDT
Winchester 64 gr. powerpoint. Yes, SS-109 is better than Hornady TAP for penetrating glass.

hth
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:09:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:45:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dcat:
Winchester 64 gr. powerpoint. Yes, SS-109 is better than Hornady TAP for penetrating glass.

hth


Does it make a difference on the Winchester Power points? I see they are available as Super X 64gr. power points and as Ranger 64gr. power points. Are these the same bullet?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 9:53:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:01:09 AM EDT
I believe that the 75gr TAP was one of the few rounds that passed the FBI's tests which included glass/barrier penetration and still penetrating 12" of ballistic gelatin.

Does anyone know what the DEA/FBI are using as far as 5.56 ammo goes?
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:51:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By newbe:
.50 BMG or 40mm!



+1

Most .30 cals will make easy work of glass also
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 10:59:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:20:38 PM EDT
I heard something about Brenneke 12GA slugs, or a particular load in 308.

-z
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brouhaha:

Originally Posted By ALPHA9000:
I believe that the 75gr TAP was one of the few rounds that passed the FBI's tests which included glass/barrier penetration and still penetrating 12" of ballistic gelatin.



I believe you are mistaken.





Ok so what is? (I googled it and found nothing)
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 12:48:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:05:56 PM EDT
I guess I should have specified .223 or 5.56! hinking.gif
So what is the difference in the winchester 64gr. Super X and the 64gr. Ranger both in power points?
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 10:57:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw.

Available in 55gr and in 62gr LE loads.



Yes. I know several agencies that have had good results with this and I think it tests well too.
Link Posted: 10/13/2004 11:16:56 PM EDT
So what would be the max distance that you would still get .5" or so of expansion from a 16" barrelwith the 62gr bonded federal load?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 4:24:59 PM EDT
The FBI is using in their SWAT team 69 gr Federal match in their 16" Colts.

My neighbor has 500 rounds of it in his truck. He is the Tactical commander of the Arizona FBI SWAT team.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 5:14:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 5:29:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 7:53:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tatjana:
Not much beats Trophy Bonded Bear Claw for barrier penetration.



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A .50bmg AP, APIT, or even Ball, will beat it hands down every time at any distance......count on it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:28:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 3:29:09 PM EDT by ph713]
I was looking around for the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw on Federal's LE website... Under "Tactical" they had a set of 55 and 62 gr loads labeled as "Bonded SP"-type bullet with model numbers LE223T1 and LE223T3 respectively. Are these the 55, 62 LE rounds that are Trophy Bonded Bear Claw that were referred to earlier in this thread?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:38:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:46:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 6:52:37 PM EDT by azsavage]

Originally Posted By Dieselman:
What is a good commercial load for defeating barriers such as automotive glass? Would SS109 be better than Hornady 75 TAP? What other readily available rounds would you consider?



Look at WWII 30 Cal 163 Grain AP bullets loaded into a 300 Mag. I have seen it go clean through the web of 136 lb Railroad rail which is about 1 inch thick and made of manganese steel.

On edit - I see you mentioned commercial - oh well - its still fun to see AP rounds at work.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:36:17 AM EDT
Also note the 55 grain version comes in civilian form for hunting from Federal. 62 grain is an LEO round. The 55 grain has better ballistics due to higher speed. I assume the 62 is for similar POI to military ammo at close range? I cant think of why you would use 62 over the 55... I have never seen a test where thte 62 performed any better... only worse.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:37:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ALPHA9000:
I believe that the 75gr TAP was one of the few rounds that passed the FBI's tests which included glass/barrier penetration and still penetrating 12" of ballistic gelatin.



No it didn't

It 'only' had 8" of penetration.
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