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Posted: 3/30/2006 2:39:03 PM EST
I was in the same predicament a few months ago and I ended up getting the Colt cause I wanted the 1:7 rifling so I knew it would handle the 75gr loads. If bushmaster would have offered a 1:7 16" barrel, I may have gotten it instead.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:05:34 PM EST
COLT all the way, it is extremely accurate and consistant shooting the Hornady TAP 75 gr.

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:07:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
If bushmaster would have offered a 1:7 16" barrel, I may have gotten it instead.


They do, but you have to special order it and wait.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:08:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 3:12:32 PM EST by chargedmr2]
I would like to nominate the this topic for the new "Thread of the Year" award!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:13:43 PM EST
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:27:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:37:00 PM EST
Or one of the BCM barrels in 1/7 or one of the ...............
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:38:04 PM EST
Let the fanboys keep buying Colts. The more they keep buying colts, the higher they will get and less price/demand for other rifles that are just as good a quality. They will keep ripping themselves off for the colt name.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:41:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



+2

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:47:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
I was in the same predicament a few months ago and I ended up getting the Colt cause I wanted the 1:7 rifling so I knew it would handle the 75gr loads. If bushmaster would have offered a 1:7 16" barrel, I may have gotten it instead.



Bushmaster does make them.

My Bushy 1/7, 20" govt profile barrel should be at my doorstep in a couple days (ordered Last Sunday). They also have them in other lengths. Not sure which... you have to ask them.



Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:54:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



Your second statement is dead on, but I want to know why you think that CMMG barrels are of better quality.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 3:57:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



COLT is far more than just a name... Quality is what I pay for, not the name...
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:05:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 4:06:37 PM EST by ss2nv]

"COLT is far more than just a name... Quality is what I pay for, not the name..."

Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:18:28 PM EST
When is it gonna be all good? i'll never understand all of this "mine is better than yours" talk. differences between most of the major brands is so small and nitpicky. they have all put one out that shouldn't made it out of the house Quality wise. but most are to the high standards that all of us AR.Comers expect. Brothers in Arms we are. let's hook up on the range and blast a few caps!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:46:53 PM EST
Umm, I agree that 1:7 twist rifling is probably the best choice, but Bushmaster, Bravo Company, CMMG, LMT, Sabre Arms and probably several others also offer 1:7 twist rate barrels.

KOAT
Proud owner of a Colt LE Carbine
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:49:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



What I find utterly insane is buying a weapon with non-mil spec parts.
WTF you would want a non-std FCG is beyond me.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 4:52:48 PM EST
lets no forget LMT and their fine 1/7 twist barrels. hippie.gif
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:10:15 PM EST
what do we agree that the 1/7 is the way to go....
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:12:54 PM EST
I got my 1/7 from Sabre Defence.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:16:03 PM EST
I have a 1/7 socom barrel from cmmg and it has been terrific!!
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:33:52 PM EST
just buy a Colt Barrel from numrich and build your own
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:39:14 PM EST
keep in mind that if your a varmint hunter, the 1/7 isnt preferrable. I have a bushy 1/9 and it eats 45gr and 50gr varmint rounds all day and does so quite accurately. Now if your hunting 2 legged varmints, i could see the use for 1/7
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:46:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
I was in the same predicament a few months ago and I ended up getting the Colt cause I wanted the 1:7 rifling so I knew it would handle the 75gr loads. If bushmaster would have offered a 1:7 16" barrel, I may have gotten it instead.



Did you bother to do any research as to who makes 1/7 barrels? If you did you would know that 1/7 isnt exclusive to colt and bushmaster does in fact make 1/7.

I just recently purchased my first Colt, 1/7 was a factor, but it wasnt the end all be all
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 5:57:12 PM EST
-- For those who care - DPMS makes very nice 16" 1in7" twist.


On my rifle: Panther Arms(DPMS)- chrome lined 5.56 chambered , 1in7" twist AP4 style barrel.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:03:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/30/2006 9:04:42 PM EST by WitchDoctor02]

Originally Posted By BushmasterGuy77:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



+2




Oh, you'll smoke a turd in hell for that one!hock.gif
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:25:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By WitchDoctor02:

Originally Posted By BushmasterGuy77:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



+2






Oh, you'll smoke a turd in hell for that one!




I have a

Colt 20in A2 Gov. profile 1/7 - only got this BCM didnt come out with theirs hen I bought this
FN 20in A2 Gov profile 1/7 - Ditto to above
Colt A1 20in 1/12 - m16 clone
another Colt A1 20in 1/12 - m16A1 clone
Bushy 14.5 Gov.profile 1/7

I may get
CMMG 14.5" 1/7 M4A1 SOCOM barrel for M4 Clone - I AINT paying Colt premium
CMMG 14.5" 1/7 Lightweight barrel for a CAR clone - I aint paying Colt premium

From theses top notch manufacturers the barrels are equal...for petes sake its a semi auto gun, not a bolt gun

for precision I have a .243WSSM bolt gun
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 9:55:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



What I find utterly insane is buying a weapon with non-mil spec parts.
WTF you would want a non-std FCG is beyond me.




WTF you would want a non-tested and proofed bolt and barrel for is beyond me. Or a non-std receiver extension.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 10:28:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By STG77:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



What I find utterly insane is buying a weapon with non-mil spec parts.
WTF you would want a non-std FCG is beyond me.




WTF you would want a non-tested and proofed bolt and barrel for is beyond me. Or a non-std receiver extension.



Which is why I would never buy a Bushmaster.
There are other options out there that get me what I want.
While I may never buy a Colt rifle, but I got no shame in using a Colt BBl or BCG.
The only thing keeping me from buying a Colt is the non-std FCG.
Link Posted: 3/30/2006 11:04:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By theshootersden:

COLT is far more than just a name... Quality is what I pay for, not the name...



<snicker>

Good one.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 12:44:30 AM EST
Hold it-- I have a Colt and it's. . . . . 1 in 9! WTF???
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 1:47:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 1:47:21 AM EST by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
The only thing keeping me from buying a Colt is the non-std FCG.



Which makes little sense, since large-pin FCG are available from at least two sources (Colt and Bushmaster). Not to mention, what is the last time your FCG 'broke' and needed to be replaced?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 2:17:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
I was in the same predicament a few months ago and I ended up getting the Colt cause I wanted the 1:7 rifling so I knew it would handle the 75gr loads.



I am sure that you are aware that 1:8 is perfectly suited for 75 and 80 grain bullets. I would hope that you had more of a reason than just a 1:7 twist to pay the premium for your Colt.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 8:50:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/31/2006 8:52:02 AM EST by BigEd63]
Hi new here but not new to AR's.

I hate to make a first post her in a threasd which seems to have a bit of contention but I was browsing through this forum and the thread title caught my eye.

I'll just say that I'm a Colt fan for one reason. I seem to be jinxed* when it comes to non-Colt AR's.
I won't get into brands but I've had major issues with a four others than Colt. I've also owned 3 Colts, 2 currently, that have given me zero problems. An AR-15A2 and two Colt 6400c M-4 Sporters.
Not meaning to flame anyone but the "Milspec Parts" issue is a joke. If I had true milspec parts I'd have an M-16.

But back to the main topic. I've had good accuracy with my 1/7 barrels though I've never gone down below 55gr ammo.
And if I went to build my own AR myself I'd probably end up using a mix of different brand mostly non-Colt parts deopending on the configuratrion I wanted.


*-I also seem to be that way with S&W N-Frameshem
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:20:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



Your second statement is dead on, but I want to know why you think that CMMG barrels are of better quality.



Same Here!
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:22:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Geohans:
Hold it-- I have a Colt and it's. . . . . 1 in 9! WTF???



Colt sells some 1/9 too. The LE6721, for example.
I have no need to shoot the heavy nonsense, so I bought that model.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 9:50:37 AM EST
Yeah, my 6721 Rawks, and If you check Colts Accurized 6724....it is 1/9 also-

Hmm, wonder why they did that?


Oh, and has anyone checked the price on 68+gr. ammo?

local is $15.00/20rds. for TAP (no thanks)

I'll stick with xm193, wwb, federal HP wolf
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 11:22:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By demigod:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



Your second statement is dead on, but I want to know why you think that CMMG barrels are of better quality.



Same Here!



I've seen new colt (issued M4) and new barrels from just about every Mfg (at shows, from friends, etc.) CMMG IMO seem to have the better finish on the outside and what seems to be better, sharfer rifling, also the gas port on all the CMMG barrels that I've seen are drilled into the grooves, not into the lans live MOST of the others. I am sure other specialized Mfg's and Bbls have gas ports drilled into the grooves, but these seem to be the exception.

From what I see my standord CMMG M4 SOCOM Barrel is more accurate than my Issue M4 (colt barrel)

Of course this is Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 11:26:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
The only thing keeping me from buying a Colt is the non-std FCG.



Which makes little sense, since large-pin FCG are available from at least two sources (Colt and Bushmaster). Not to mention, what is the last time your FCG 'broke' and needed to be replaced?



FCGs fail all the time, but it so happens that Colt makes the best FCG around, and Ken Elmore makes it better.

So if you want the best FCG around, get a Colt from Ken Elmore... and tell him that ARFcom sent you.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 11:31:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Sd_Kfz_182:
Or you could have gotten a CMMG barrel of better quality for the same price in 1:7 and in whatever lenght you want.

Why people spend so much just for the Colt name is beyond me



+1



What I find utterly insane is buying a weapon with non-mil spec parts.
WTF you would want a non-std FCG is beyond me.



99% of civilian AR owners have no need for milspec.

That being said, I bought a BMP 1/7 M4 14.5 barrel... because I want to shoot the heavier bullets.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 12:02:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
The only thing keeping me from buying a Colt is the non-std FCG.



Which makes little sense, since large-pin FCG are available from at least two sources (Colt and Bushmaster). Not to mention, what is the last time your FCG 'broke' and needed to be replaced?



That's not the point. How many source are std. FCG available from?

Dozens. There's lots of std FCG parts at the local gunshows. There's usually only 2 or three .170" trigger parts and they're usually RRA NM triggers and nothing more.

If the .170" FCG parts are so great, how come Colt is the only one that puts them in their rifles, while over a dozen major manufacturers equip their rifles with the mil-spec pin diameter of .154"?

WIZZO
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 12:08:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
The only thing keeping me from buying a Colt is the non-std FCG.



Which makes little sense, since large-pin FCG are available from at least two sources (Colt and Bushmaster). Not to mention, what is the last time your FCG 'broke' and needed to be replaced?



That's not the point. How many source are std. FCG available from?

Dozens. There's lots of std FCG parts at the local gunshows. There's usually only 2 or three .170" trigger parts and they're usually RRA NM triggers and nothing more.

If the .170" FCG parts are so great, how come Colt is the only one that puts them in their rifles, while over a dozen major manufacturers equip their rifles with the mil-spec pin diameter of .154"?

WIZZO




OK, so order a spare FCG and keep it around. They cost the same as any other FCG. I'm not going to claim that the .170 FCG is "great", only that it's not an issue. If you're one of those people who wants a .155 FCG because you fantasize about converting your rifle to FA when TSHTF, I don't know what to fell you.

I would much rather buy .170 spares than have to get a new receiver extension, new front sight post, etc to replace parts that should have been made right to begin with.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 12:20:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By luckypunk:
Yeah, my 6721 Rawks, and If you check Colts Accurized 6724....it is 1/9 also-

Hmm, wonder why they did that?


Oh, and has anyone checked the price on 68+gr. ammo?

local is $15.00/20rds. for TAP (no thanks)

I'll stick with xm193, wwb, federal HP wolf



I guess you've never bought black hills blue.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 1:28:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By JJREA:

Originally Posted By luckypunk:
Yeah, my 6721 Rawks, and If you check Colts Accurized 6724....it is 1/9 also-

Hmm, wonder why they did that?


Oh, and has anyone checked the price on 68+gr. ammo?

local is $15.00/20rds. for TAP (no thanks)

I'll stick with xm193, wwb, federal HP wolf



I guess you've never bought black hills blue.




yeah, they arent so bad, 15.99/50 for 68s, but still
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 1:36:14 PM EST
or you could roll your own.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 1:52:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Geohans:
Hold it-- I have a Colt and it's. . . . . 1 in 9! WTF???




Mine is 1 in 12........
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 2:13:08 PM EST
I have purchased about 100 rounds of 75grain hornady tap and i have a 1/9 twist.
What problems am i going to have?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 3:03:19 PM EST
My bad....I was trying to reply to this post.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=275669

and I ended up creating a new topic. Sorry.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:05:42 PM EST
Trojman, catastrophe! Send them to me immediately.

You may get away with it, just have to try. But stability/accuracy at 100yds does NOT guarantee you're okay at longer ranges. Gotta try.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:10:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By SOSNBA:
If bushmaster would have offered a 1:7 16" barrel, I may have gotten it instead.


They do, but you have to special order it and wait.



How long of a wait?
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:23:44 PM EST
i originally started off with a bushmaster, and i quickly dislike the finish and quality and tolerances of the rifle. i didn't like how some magazines wouldn't fit. later on i got another bushy, and still didn't like that and sold that. now i have a cmmg that i built over time. i love this rifle. its beautiful. finish is excellent, its a 1/7, and i dunno quality is just great, i really appreciate what cmmg is putting out. only thing i kinda regret is purchasing the 16" instead of the 20" but still a great product. i'd say i like it more than the colts i've toyed with.
Link Posted: 3/31/2006 7:52:28 PM EST
Why do so many threads turn into Colt vs. Every Other AR Maker?

Why can't we be friends?!

“Yet he was jealous, though he did not show it, For jealousy dislikes the world to know it” - Lord Byron
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