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Posted: 12/2/2011 3:55:19 PM EDT
FYI, the GRSC 1-6x24 FFP Combat Rifle Scope (CRS) with the General
Purpose Combat (GPC) M4-62 [Horseshoe (HS)], Bullet Drop Compensating (BDC), reticle is now available for sale. Sales of the CRS began in August, with the first couple of shipments selling out quickly. Our third shipment just arrived and the CRS’s are ready to go. I believe GRSC/Norden Performance is the first company in the world to have produced/offer for sale a 1-6 scope with a FFP reticle. The CRS project has been in the works for several decades. The first two generations of the 1-4x24 CRS with the FFP HS BDC reticle have been on the market for several years – setting a trend for the tactical scope segment. Many scope companies are now moving in this direction. The 1-4 FFP CRS's were produced to test a concept. From the very beginning, the objective always has been to produce a 1-6 CRS with a FFP reticle, which, until now, never had been done before. This project’s goal was to make available for our war fighters a high quality 1-6 CRS that would help to keep them alive in combat. To achieve this objective, the CRS with the FFP GPC M4-62 reticle was designed to cover the full spectrum of combat – from CQB distances to the maximum effective ranges of modern assault/battle rifles, in both day and low light environments. I felt that CQB was the most critical area of performance for the CRS. Up-close and personal, you need to be faster than your enemy or you will be dead. In this situation is where the GPC HS reticle at 1x really stands out – giving you the speed and accuracy similar to a red dot gun sight. For precision at any distance and ranging your target, dial up the magnification and use the BDC reticle. The BDC reticle is based on the size of an average human body and uses a 10'' ranging scale. I call this the "rule of 10.” This is a very fast and simple ranging system and, more importantly, it is easy to remember when the bullets are flying and people are dying. All things considered, I am very pleased with our new 1-6 FFP reticle CRS. If you are in the market for this type of scope, I hope you will take a look at our new CRS. For more information on the CRS, please visit our web site, grscinc.com. For info on the 1-6 CRS, click on the picture of the 1-6 scope. Thank you. Ed Verdugo PS––IF YOU SEND ME A E-MAIL PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR PHONE # ! ! ! ! ! WITH YOUR E-MAIL . IF YOUR IN THE USA I WILL CALL YOU. SORRY BUT I HATE TO TYPE. |
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It looks very nice, Ed.
Have you ever thought of making a variant with other BDCs, especially 7.62? |
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Ed, glad they are selling well. I cannot say enough good things about my 1x4.
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how about a price?? About 1,000. I don't think there is a cheaper 1-6 out there. |
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very interesting. I am in the market for a variable power. Mostly looking at the 1-4s but the 1-6 would be optimal. Would like to use if for my personal weapon because I shoot that the most, however plan on taking it on the next deployment. Waiting for more people to post reviews on dependability and durability before I drop that kind of cash site unseen. However this is VERY promising. I love the HS reticle and the idea of the stedia based ranging system.
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very interesting. I am in the market for a variable power. Mostly looking at the 1-4s but the 1-6 would be optimal. Would like to use if for my personal weapon because I shoot that the most, however plan on taking it on the next deployment. Waiting for more people to post reviews on dependability and durability before I drop that kind of cash site unseen. However this is VERY promising. I love the HS reticle and the idea of the stedia based ranging system. What optic are you issued for deployment? |
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Here's a video of my daughter Jamie shooting the Rob Arm XCR and the new 1-6x24 CRS shooting at a 14"x14" target @ 240yds in day and low light conditions.
Also I will be at the Grizzly Gun Show in Joshua Tree Ca. this weekend. I will have the 1-4x24 and the 1-6x24 for demo and for sale at the show. My daughter Jamie shooting the 1-6x24 CRS Thank you Ed Verdugo GRSC Inc www.grscinc.com |
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Here's a video of my daughter Jamie shooting the Rob Arm XCR and the new 1-6x24 CRS shooting at a 14"x14" target @ 240yds in day and low light conditions. Also I will be at the Grizzly Gun Show in Joshua Tree Ca. this weekend. I will have the 1-4x24 and the 1-6x24 on demo and for sell at the show. My daughter Jamie shooting the 1-6x24 CRS Thank you Ed Verdugo GRSC Inc www.grscinc.com Looks good. |
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This is a very nice looking scope.
How long is the battery life? |
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Specs are in the table on page 1.
I just noticed on Zulu-77's pics that the turret caps look different than any I have seen on this scope before. Have they been updated to include a battery compartment? |
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Specs are in the table on page 1. I just noticed on Zulu-77's pics that the turret caps look different than any I have seen on this scope before. Have they been updated to include a battery compartment? Yep, the caps have been updated to include battery storage. |
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1,000 dollars I hope you dont price yourself out of the market...
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1,000 dollars I hope you dont price yourself out of the market... I was thinking the same thing. You could buy 2 to 3 really good scopes for that much rather than just having one. |
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This looks like a very promising scope. I have one of your early Valdada collaborations with the mil marks as opposed to the BDC reticle used in your current offerings. I'm curious about one thing, you state that these were designed with the military in mind yet everything is in yards, why not go with meters? Or was this simple a choice made so that you could appeal to the widest audience, ie US civies, as well?
The 1-6x magnification, coupled with the reticle design does sound like a very promising do it all, combat optic. I know that I've been frustrated by the fixed 3.4x Elcan that we use in the Canadian Forces, especially since our reticle does not have a BDC reticle. |
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1,000 dollars I hope you dont price yourself out of the market... I was thinking the same thing. You could buy 2 to 3 really good scopes for that much rather than just having one. I suppose that depends completely on how you define "really good." $1,000 for an optic that has 6x magnification range is quite reasonable in my opinion. Are there other 1-6x optics on the market at <$1k? |
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I'm very interested to see how the reticle works for a 16" 308 at out to about 500 yds.
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I'm very interested to see how the reticle works for a 16" 308 at out to about 500 yds. me too |
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Where is the 1-4 made and what kind of warranty does it have?
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1,000 dollars I hope you dont price yourself out of the market... I was thinking the same thing. You could buy 2 to 3 really good scopes for that much rather than just having one. 2-3 good 1-6x scopes? Where? These are priced reasonably for a 1-6x. |
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Yeah like 2 or 3 really cool Counter Sniper military over run scopes (actual value $12,000.00)......
Most upper tier 1-4 scopes go for around a grand, some for a good chunk more, Eds 1-6 is unique, the glass and eye box are excellent , it's a true 1x at the low end and it comes with one of the most useable and easy to grasp reticles on the market. |
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FYI: Got out to the range a few days with the new 1-6x CRS mounted on my 18” FN FAL using 147gr. FMJ Port. Ammo . I get a lot of questions on how this reticle will work with calibers other than the 62gr 223.
Well now we know how it will work with the 308 out of an 18” FAL rifle. Enjoy the videos Thank you very much Ed Verdugo grscinc.com Live Fire demo Shooting the new CRS 1-6x mounted on a 18" FN FAL |
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This looks like a very promising scope. I have one of your early Valdada collaborations with the mil marks as opposed to the BDC reticle used in your current offerings. I'm curious about one thing, you state that these were designed with the military in mind yet everything is in yards, why not go with meters? Or was this simple a choice made so that you could appeal to the widest audience, ie US civies, as well? The 1-6x magnification, coupled with the reticle design does sound like a very promising do it all, combat optic. I know that I've been frustrated by the fixed 3.4x Elcan that we use in the Canadian Forces, especially since our reticle does not have a BDC reticle. I made this scope for the American Warfighter and as Americans we still tend to think in inches, feet and yards. I think the attempt to globalize the Americans to the Metric Mind has failed. Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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Cool looking piece of glass there .
And able to see and hit small targets in very bad lighting is a great plus . |
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Looks good on your rifle , as if it was designed for it specially .......
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Looks good on your rifle , as if it was designed for it specially .......[/quote Actually it was. I've been working on this CRS project for several decades. My main SHTF rifle is a FAL, A long time ago when I bought this rifle there were no good SOLID scope mounts avalible for the FAL. SO I had one made that uses the QD scope rings from the Steyr SSG 69 sniper rifle. That mount was welded to my Fal upper reciever. It works great. This was my main test bed for the development of the CRS. I also modified a old leatherwood FAL scope mount so a ACOG could bolt directly to the scope mount. These were put into production by DSA and are still available from them for the FAL. Thanks Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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1,000 dollars I hope you dont price yourself out of the market... I was thinking the same thing. You could buy 2 to 3 really good scopes for that much rather than just having one. 2-3 good 1-6x scopes? Where? These are priced reasonably for a 1-6x. 1k is more then reasonable for a well built scope. |
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I will be walking around at the Shot Show in Las Vegas this week. I will have samples of the 1-6 and 1-4 CRSs with me. If anyone would like to try to meet up with me send me a email with your phone # and I wiil try to link up with you.
Thanks Ed Verdugo [email protected] |
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I received my GRSC on Thursday and installed it that night. Went to range Friday afternoon, was pretty sunny here in TX, the reticule was easily visible on '8' in sun light. Took about 20 rounds to get the scope dialed in, easily held 2'' groups at 100 yards with Hornaday 75 gr training ammo. At 200 yards kept the groups just under 4''. This was from a bench, but not using any sort of rest, just my bail out bag.
I would easily recommend this scope. |
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I will be at the Costa Mesa Ca gun show this weekend. I will have the 1-4 and 1-6 CRSs for sale. Shot Show was very interesting. Several new 1-6 FFP Horseshoe reticle scope were shown. What's the saying imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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Went to the ranger yesterday, here is a live fire demo using the 1-6x NP/GRSC Combat Rifle Scope set on 1x. The rifle is a 18" 7.62mm FN Fal using 147 gr mil spec ammo.
Distances to targets range from 30 feet to 50 yards. First video will be with a hand held video camera followed by the same even recorded through the gun camera Thanks Ed Verdugo grscinc.com Rapid Fire Demo |
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For the price point, quick growing reputation (very good) and overall specs of this optic, it'll be very tough to beat in the all around low-variable tactical application. The only scope i can see coming close to or meeting the CRS is SWFA's 1-6x, but they have an inferior combat/CQB reticle in my opinion. I'm turned off by the mil hash reticle in a low variable CQB scope. I've got a BCM Middy 5.56 that i'd love to put through the ringer with Ed's scope. And i also just put together a custom 6.8 scp to run in Open class in 3 gun comps around the area. I'd love to test out the reticle against the 6.8 cartridge, and see what kind of results i can gather.
Ed, what is your inventory looking like for the 1-6x at the moment. Thanks, PK |
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We have 1-6 CRSs in stock ready to go. Give Hinman a call at NP. If your in Las Vegas NV this weekend, I'll be at the gun show at the South Point Hotel. Thanks Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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Several people have asked about a switch view/Cat tail levers for the 1-6x CRS scopes. We found a switch view lever from MGM Inc. Part number: SVMAPT Phone number- 208-454-0555 www.mgmswitchview.com Hope this helps FYI I will be at the Gun Show this weekend at the South Point hotel in Las Vegas. Thank-You Ed Verdugo grscinc.com http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/grscguns/IMAG0242-1.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/grscguns/IMAG0243-1.jpg http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/grscguns/IMAG0244.jpg Ed, Will these cat-tails work on your 1-4 CRS? |
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I would like to make a comment on this scope. Ed was nice enough to send me a demo to test out and I love it. Now, I am not anyone special or anything like that, but I was an Army sniper and have been in combat having to cope with multiple optics on multiple rifles. I have been searching high and low for a good "overall" optic that I can multi-task with. Mil dots are nice, very nice to have in a hide sight as a dedicated sniper system, but when hell breaks loose it is nice to have something that you don't have to grab a slide rule or start doing the worm method in your head to range targets on the fly in the middle of a patrol with. That is what Ed's reticle is built for. In something like this I do NOT want to be spinning target turrets and reading and comparing mils to target size. I want to engage the target and kill it.
I do own the 1-4X and while the reticle for me was right on the money I did have issues with the T lock and it keeping its zero, but the 1-6X is such a huge improvement over the 1-4X mechanically. It is built well and is a solid piece of kit. I was able to take my rifle out with this scope mounted, get it zeroed and run it through its paces. I did multiple quick engagement drills from different distances to include "I'm up, he sees me, I'm down" drills, or fire team rushes, and the optic was great, very quick to engage targets with, crystal clear, and with a generous eye box. All of my drills were conducted in full gear (body armor, helmet, full combat load of ammunition, etc.) on varying terrain ranging from rocky areas, hills, trees, and depressions. The reticle was at no time any kind of hindrance, and actually led my eye nicely to the center mass position. I was able to quickly and accurately figure range using the reticle as well. Using something like this not only takes knowledge and familiarity of the provided marks, but also a healthy dose of common sense. Once you are used to it the range estimation comes fast and natural. The reticle was easy to see in bright sunlight and picked up on target very fast as said before. I also had the chance to use this scope at night. I was unable to run it with NOD's as I just ran out of time, but I was able, while hunting on my property in Texas to quickly and accurately illuminate a fox with my surefire, range the animal, and dispatch it quickly with a single shot through the neck. The shot was about 75 yards and illuminated reticles on 6X was used. I wish I had had a switch view on it as it does take a bit more of thought power and dexterity than what I would like to change power, but with the addition of a switch view that should be easily done. My one regret with this scope was the fact that I had to send it back to Ed when I was done. I do plan on purchasing one with a higher and cantilever bobro mount as the one that was provided was a little low for me and didn't quite take it out far enough unless I mounted it out far. Luckily my rail on my rifle extends the entire length of the rifle with no gap. Ed, this is definitely a keeper. Thank you for letting me try it out. |
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Based on the reviews, I'm going to just save up for the 1-6 X24. Had intended to jump on the 1-4 X 24 but it really sounds like the newer 1-6 is the way to go. Ya, it's a $1K+ pop but it's a damn nice piece of kit.
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Sorry but this switch view lever does not fit the 1-4 CRS. Ed |
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Quoted: Ed, I went on active duty in the US Army Infantry in 1973 and all our known distance ranges then were in Meters. Our maps had 1 kilometer grid squares. I understand that most civilian ranges are still measured in yards, but the Military has switched to Meters as their preferred unit of measurement. I think your answer was kind of snarky considering these facts. I own a 1-4x24 CRS and am happy with it. But to jump on someone with a real question in this manner, makes me question if I should get another GRSC scope. Quoted: This looks like a very promising scope. I have one of your early Valdada collaborations with the mil marks as opposed to the BDC reticle used in your current offerings. I'm curious about one thing, you state that these were designed with the military in mind yet everything is in yards, why not go with meters? Or was this simple a choice made so that you could appeal to the widest audience, ie US civies, as well? The 1-6x magnification, coupled with the reticle design does sound like a very promising do it all, combat optic. I know that I've been frustrated by the fixed 3.4x Elcan that we use in the Canadian Forces, especially since our reticle does not have a BDC reticle. I made this scope for the American Warfighter and as Americans we still tend to think in inches, feet and yards. I think the attempt to globalize the Americans to the Metric Mind has failed. Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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Exactly my point DVCAPI, the U.S. military has calibrated the sights on all of their small arms in metres since the introduction of the M-14 in '57. For a modern example I'll use the ACOG, they're calibrated in metres, probably because their main customer base are military. That is why I asked the question.
I have a feeling that the choice was made in order to appeal to the broadest civilian audience. Still a very nice looking and versatile optic. |
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The only thing at this point holding me back from the. We 1-6 is the two year limited warranty. There are other scopes around this price point that are great quality and offer a lifetime warranty. Any thoughts on this?
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Been very busy as usual, I don't have a lot of time to be on the key board , sorry it takes a bit to respond to comments.
DM195 Thanks for taking the time to do and write the evaluation. Thanks again for your service to our country. LEG/DVCAPI I apologise if I was being snarky. It was not meant like that at all. I'm 60yrs old and I clearly remember many many years ago when there was a serious national attempt to move the USA to the metric system. It failed. As Americans we still think inches feet ,yards,miles, pints, gallons etc. This is our first language. My primary objective was and still is to get this type of product into the hands of our American war fighters. I realise that the military uses the metric system to a certain degree. The reason I calibrated the reticle in inches/yards is that many of our young war fighters who find themselves in combat have not been in the military that long and are probably not that good with the metric system. I felt that when the &^*@ hit the fan under the stress of real combat they would find it easier to think in their first language. In reality the system was designed to be more of a visual ranging system than a numerical ranging system. KISS. What I mean is this, the head or shoulders fit here so you aim there. You don't really even need to know the range. It will work with no numbers next to the hollow 10'' circles or 10'' horizontal dashes. Hope this makes sense. Fire Medic ( I used to do that) Two year warranty? The reason–– There is no free lunch. We actually only get a one year warranty from the factory. We are trying to keep the price on the CRS as low as possible and still stay in business. We don't have a dealer network because if we did we would have to raise the price quite a bit to put in their margin. Also we would have to raise the price to give a longer warranty. The warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship. The CRS is intended for hard use. If there is a defect in material or workmanship it should show up within two years and we will take care of it on our dime. Also we have set aside a pool of loaner scopes so if you do have to send a scope in for repair we will send you a loaner scope if there is going to be a delay in getting your scope repaired. We also give a money back inspection guarantee. If you don't like the scope ,send it back in new unused condition and we will refund your purchase price. We have worked real hard to bring you a very good product at a good price. Thanks Ed Verdugo grscinc.com |
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