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Posted: 10/22/2010 3:29:23 PM EDT

Took my new upper out to sight it in today and at some point while firing the forward assist came out.

Anyone ever have this happen...?

Another reason I always test my gear.

Posted: 10/22/2010 3:34:13 PM EDT

[#1]

Home build? Otherwise what manufacture? Never seen it happen, but as a piece of equipment if its falls through a QC hole something is bound to eventually happen.

Contact Manufacturer first, then post how they deal with it.

Posted: 10/22/2010 3:43:27 PM EDT

[#2]

Pin come out?

Posted: 10/22/2010 3:46:10 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Pin come out?

Posted: 10/22/2010 3:54:25 PM EDT

[#4]

Noveske 12.5 Crusader

Already contacted them and they already e-mailed me a return shipping label.

No complaints about how they are treating me so far... and accidents do happen... but disappointing to say the least.

Posted: 10/22/2010 3:57:28 PM EDT

[#5]

Out of spec pin hole? I had one with out of spec located pin hole (caught it during install pin wouldn't capture FA) and sent back the stripped upper to EA. They sent me an upper with Forward assist installed back! Pretty nice of them and the CS was GREAT! M4QUADRAIL

Posted: 10/22/2010 4:44:44 PM EDT

[#6]

To tell the truth I've never assembled a forward assist so I'm not sure what went wrong.

Posted: 10/22/2010 5:56:09 PM EDT

[#7]

My first AR was an OLY MFR in the early 90's and the forward assist broke the first time i shot it.

Posted: 10/22/2010 6:41:00 PM EDT

[#8]

Wow. Forward assist is like an appendix - its just sits there and does nothing. I gues some people have problem with them from time to time though. Let us know what it is.

Posted: 10/22/2010 8:16:51 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Wow. Forward assist is like an appendix - its just sits there and does nothing.

All the better reason to yank it, and Spackle over the hole...

Posted: 10/22/2010 8:42:11 PM EDT

[#10]

It's not the first one to break...

Posted: 10/23/2010 4:43:49 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
To tell the truth I've never assembled a forward assist so I'm not sure what went wrong.

The roll pin is the only thing that keeps the assembly in the upper-it acts to retain the plunger and as a forward travel stop. But if the pin fails or falls out, SPROING! out comes everything. The only reasonable mechanism to have the assist come out without some major, obvious flaw in the upper, is the pin falling out or failing. If it happened while you were firing, odds are that it was the pin falling out-probably from being out of spec.

Posted: 10/23/2010 5:25:17 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Wow. Forward assist is like an appendix - its just sits there and does nothing. I gues some people have problem with them from time to time though. Let us know what it is.

I knew someone would say something of this sort.

Posted: 10/23/2010 10:17:43 AM EDT

[#13]

Well I found the main piece and the spring stayed on so the pin is the only thing missing.

It didn't compromise the function of the upper which seems reliable and accurate so far but still doesn't make me happy.

Shouldn't happen... shouldn't happen on a new upper.... shouldn't happen on a new Noveske upper... etc.

Oh well, keep you posted.

Posted: 10/23/2010 10:52:47 AM EDT

[#14]

Sounds like you met Murphy and his law.

Posted: 10/23/2010 11:02:13 AM EDT

[#15]

slick side FTW

Posted: 10/23/2010 6:32:11 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Sounds like you met Murphy and his law.

No doubt. I own a dozen ARs but my duty gun is a Bushmaster I've had over ten years that has gone through Gunsite,EAG, and hundreds of practice sessions. I've swapped optics, furniture, mounts and lights over the years but the base gun is proven so it is what I carry with me and is the most likely to be used in a bad situation.

I was actually out testing the Noveske so I could put it on my duty lower and send my Bushmaster upper to Adco in Ohio to get the heavy barrel 10.5 turned down to a lightweight profile. I think the weight savings will make a big difference on long operations but that is all post pond until the Noveske gets back and gets tested again.

Posted: 10/26/2010 12:53:38 AM EDT

[#17]

Obviously the roll pin came out. Out of spec upper?

Man on a noveske too.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:50:01 AM EDT

[#18]

Well its a Vltor MUR that Noveske used for assembly.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:15:06 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
It's not the first one to break...

Nor will it be the last.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:48:09 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. Forward assist is like an appendix - its just sits there and does nothing.

All the better reason to yank it, and Spackle over the hole...

Nah.. You will only curse when you need it.

The only time you need a FA is when you really really need a FA.

Just ignore it until its day comes, and you will be glad.

Posted: 10/27/2010 9:13:22 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Just ignore it until its day comes, and you will be glad.

I can't even think of a situation where I might need it.

Posted: 10/27/2010 9:17:19 AM EDT

[#22]

Fix it yourself.

Costs $8, makes the weapon a couple ounces lighter, and you never have to worry about the FA breaking and jamming the heck out of your bolt carrier.

Posted: 10/27/2010 9:19:12 AM EDT

[#23]

Removing the entire forward assist is good for removing two ounces and about seven distinct parts. More importantly, it takes a step out of the assembly process.

Posted: 10/27/2010 10:32:30 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Fix it yourself.

http://www.adcofirearms.com/acc/acimages/Forward%20Assist%20Plug.jpg

Costs $8, makes the weapon a couple ounces lighter, and you never have to worry about the FA breaking and jamming the heck out of your bolt carrier.

my thoughts exactly

Posted: 10/27/2010 10:40:31 AM EDT

[#25]

Steve, have you ever thought about having your own uppers made?

Posted: 10/27/2010 10:43:17 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Just ignore it until its day comes, and you will be glad.

I can't even think of a situation where I might need it.

City boy

The forward assist allows one to quietly charge the rifle without it going KA––-KLANNNNNG!

Course if you then slam your car door, all is for naught.

Posted: 10/27/2010 10:56:08 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Just ignore it until its day comes, and you will be glad.

I can't even think of a situation where I might need it.

City boy

The forward assist allows one to quietly charge the rifle without it going KA––-KLANNNNNG!

Course if you then slam your car door, all is for naught.

I'm no city boy. I'm also familiar with the Army doctrine that states that an Infantry with normal hearing can hear the working of a rifle action from hundreds of meters away. And I know that you can use your thumb to close the bolt almost as easily, without any of the downsides.

Posted: 10/27/2010 11:15:02 AM EDT

[#28]

The do break, but its an easy fix.
Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

Posted: 10/27/2010 11:15:37 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Just ignore it until its day comes, and you will be glad.

I can't even think of a situation where I might need it.

City boy

The forward assist allows one to quietly charge the rifle without it going KA––-KLANNNNNG!

Course if you then slam your car door, all is for naught.

I'm no city boy. I'm also familiar with the Army doctrine that states that an Infantry with normal hearing can hear the working of a rifle action from hundreds of meters away. And I know that you can use your thumb to close the bolt almost as easily, without any of the downsides.

Lot easier with a FA than thumbing the carrier with thick gloves on, particularly if wet, cold, slippery etc. Deer and coyotes will tell you how far the sound of an action slamming shut travels as you see their asses disappearing on the horizon.

Posted: 10/27/2010 11:19:29 AM EDT

[#30]

The hit the muzzle on something hard (pavement, a tree) and that will do it...

Posted: 10/27/2010 1:01:42 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
Steve, have you ever thought about having your own uppers made?

I had uppers made/branded when I was having the ADCO CM-V barrels made. The "ADCO" name isnt tactical enough for anyone to want. All the ADCO named stuff I had made, I ended up selling at a loss - barrel, my dissy uppers, uppers, bolts/carriers, etc... I know the stuff was quality, but I'm not heavy enough into self promotion for ADCO as a brand to sell I guess.

Posted: 10/27/2010 1:06:00 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

The hit the muzzle on something hard (pavement, a tree) and that will do it...

You mean if it's partially seated without letting the bolt slide forward?

"Adco Megaviolent uppers"?

Posted: 10/27/2010 1:21:30 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Steve, have you ever thought about having your own uppers made?

I had uppers made/branded when I was having the ADCO CM-V barrels made. The "ADCO" name isnt tactical enough for anyone to want. All the ADCO named stuff I had made, I ended up selling at a loss - barrel, my dissy uppers, uppers, bolts/carriers, etc... I know the stuff was quality, but I'm not heavy enough into self promotion for ADCO as a brand to sell I guess.

I've been trying for years to get someone to make a slickside flat top upper with M4 cuts. I think they would sell in modest quantities.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:17:10 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

The do break, but its an easy fix.

Better to have and not need, than need and not have.

The broken-FA stories I've read here and elsewhere usually give testimony to what a b|tch it is when that FA pawl gets jammed between the bolt carrier and the receiver.

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