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Posted: 1/27/2014 12:05:06 AM EDT
Have you, or anyone you know ever used the forward assist to force the bolt closed?


Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:13:40 AM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:13:59 AM EDT
It's useless, it's never fixed any jam I have had.  I always end up pulling the bolt and racking a new round.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:21:08 AM EDT
yes
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:22:08 AM EDT
Dead weight
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:26:57 AM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:28:12 AM EDT
NOT.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:42:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/27/2014 1:05:28 AM EDT
Really only used it just to train to use it.  The one time I REALLY needed it was a wash -it wasn't able to advance the bolt forward all the way, I had to dump a live round and sling shot it then all was fine.  A pebble was stuck in the chamber and sling shoting it unjammed the rock.

On a plinking rifle or lightweight build, I wouldn't include it.  If I was doing some high-risk contracting or doing something in the military again, I'd want one even though it's not used as much.  Remember, it's only there for when a very certain type of issue occurs -something of which is not common on the rifle under usual to stressed times of operation.  I doubt the forward assist debate will ever die.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 1:23:49 AM EDT
I have only utilized it as we were taught in training, but never needed it during live fire.  I do use it at the range, when I chamber the first round, and it doesn't quite "sound/feel" like that first round was stripped from the magazine.  I will pull the charging handle back just far enough to verify there is brass attached to the front of the bolt, then I will let it slide forward and tap the forward assist.  That way, if it did chamber the round, you aren't flinging it out of the chamber.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 1:58:41 AM EDT
It was originally put on for psychological reasons and probably causes malfunctions to turn to jams in most cases.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:16:04 AM EDT
Sometimes useful to ensure bolt is closed after chamber check.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:16:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2014 2:17:32 AM EDT by paigefarrah8]
useful, always use on a callout to confirm I have a round in the chamber and am ready to go. after visually confirming the round was stripped off the mag i tap it to make sure the bolt is back seated and rifle is ready to go. sorry didnt see that sevo2300 said the same thing. He is correct.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:20:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sevo2300:
Sometimes useful to ensure bolt is closed after chamber check.
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Only time I ever use it is for an admin reload or admin check.

Other than that it doesn't fit into any remedial or immediate action.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:29:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:02:23 AM EDT
This topic wears me out.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:31:35 AM EDT
Never needed it myself. Which is why I did not hesitate to buy a m&p sport.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:43:04 AM EDT
In training they always wanted us to do a chamber check and it would fail to return to full battery. Slap the forward assist and sometimes it would fix it. While at the fob or returning fire we never touched it. At home on the range ive never touched it. The thing is I find it quicker to charge the rifle than to chamber check and hit the forward assist so if I ever did have the dreaded click then nothing, I can slap the charging handle back and keep moving. Much more natural movement.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:50:40 AM EDT
Used it once.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:50:51 AM EDT
The first time I saw an AR up close I remember thinking the thing sticking out looked cool and it ended up being a forward assist.   So I'll keep it just in case I ever use it or because it looks good.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:36:53 AM EDT
when I am out deer huntingI use it often,in the morning while using my climber to go up the tree I have my gun unloaded...when I am settled in and put a round in the chamber I slowly and softly, quietly pull my charging handle backand slowly move it forward then use forward assist too close completely
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:52:11 AM EDT
It has no use to me.

If I need to manually advance the bolt after a chamber check then I will use my thumb to push the bolt carrier forward (in the indention area of the carrier).  YMMV.  Saves weight and needless parts.  

Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:58:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GAZ32:


Only time I ever use it is for an admin reload or admin check.

Other than that it doesn't fit into any remedial or immediate action.
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Originally Posted By GAZ32:
Originally Posted By Sevo2300:
Sometimes useful to ensure bolt is closed after chamber check.


Only time I ever use it is for an admin reload or admin check.

Other than that it doesn't fit into any remedial or immediate action.


I use it during load development, when I am loading singles and do not release the charging handle.  Generally guide the round in the chamber with tension on the charging handle and then use the forward assist to fully go into battery.  
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:02:27 AM EDT
never needed it,   I'm glad it's there,
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:09:30 AM EDT
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The only time Ive used it is when I was shooting a little more than 1000 rounds a day without cleaning. But once you get to that point, you need to break it down and remove the carbon build up. Its not going to fix any "jams", its only going to help push the bolt into battery when theres too much debris obstructing the BC or bolt to fully seat and lock. Do you absolutely need it? Probably not. Is it nice to have for range days or training courses? Yes.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:11:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By R0N:
It was originally put on for psychological reasons and probably causes malfunctions to turn to jams in most cases.
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We have a winner.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:40:06 AM EDT
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<Removed -F > can you at least attempt to use search??
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:43:00 AM EDT
I have the FA on two AR's.  One AR is a slickside.

Never used the FA.  I get the reason for it's existence.  For me it's useless.

Any upper receiver I get in the future will be a proper slickside or a 9mm flat top with a hole for the gas tube drilled.

YMMV
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:02:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By R0N:
It was originally put on for psychological reasons and probably causes malfunctions to turn to jams in most cases.
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Ha Ha... I always thought the same thing :-)
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:03:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JUNG1999:
Have you, or anyone you know ever used the forward assist to force the bolt closed?

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Try using the Search function!

This is a "cut & paste" from 12/5/13 & 01/15/14

Here are links to a FEW of the threads on the subject of Forward Assists:


http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/608617_How_many_of_you_have_ever_had_to_use_yor_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/606471_To_forward_assist_or_not_to_forward_assist__That_is_the_question_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/606151_Forward_Assist_Question___.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/597535_Forward_assist_or_not_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/579798_Forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/577087_Do_I_Need_a_Forward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/568537_When_was_the_Forward_assist_introduced_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/557966_Forward_Assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/555437_Forward_Assist_question_to_all___Now_with_Poll.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/555385_True_purpose_of_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548167_Do_you_need_a_forward_assist_on_an_upper.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/548460_Forward_Assist_on_a_KISS_rifle_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/543488_How_many_of_you_would_like_to_see_the_forward_assist_go_away_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/540768_Upper_With_Forward_Assist_or_Without__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/535183_Forward_assist_failure.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/526220_Why_did_the_army_add_a_forward_assist_to_the_m16_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_15/521356_forward_assist_necessary_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/510334_Forward_Assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/510195_Why_no_love_for_the_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/505123_Is_the_Forward_Assist_Really_Necesary.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/501891_Forward_assist_and_Dust_cover.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/489729_Forward_assist_inquiry.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/485187_When_does_one_use_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/477562_Forward_assist_worth_while__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/468373_Is_forward_assist_really_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/400821_what_exactly_is_the_forward_assist_for_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/462569_Holy_Forward_Assist_Batman_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/462260_Forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/460446_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/450330_Forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/450112_Forward_Assist_question.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/438459_forward_assist_vs__no_forward_assist.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/439021_Forward_Assist_needed_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/431738_Why_Use_the_Forward_Assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/430086_So_has_anyone_ever_actually_used_the_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/423309_What_does_the_forward_assist_handle_do__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/409771_Forward_assist_or_no_forward_assist__.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/402057_forward_assist_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/392870_Forward_assist_vs_no_forward_assist.html

This subject has been beat to death NUMEROUS times!!!

Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:08:44 AM EDT
When I slow load yes, but for a malfunction no.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:17:10 AM EDT
S.P.O.R.T.S.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:50:15 AM EDT
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Try using the Search function!

This is a "cut & paste" from 12/5/13 & 01/15/14

Here are links to a FEW of the threads on the subject of Forward Assists:

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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
Originally Posted By JUNG1999:
Have you, or anyone you know ever used the forward assist to force the bolt closed?



Try using the Search function!

This is a "cut & paste" from 12/5/13 & 01/15/14

Here are links to a FEW of the threads on the subject of Forward Assists:

snip...


Wow that's ~ 1 thread started per day.

Originally Posted By R0N:
It was originally put on for psychological reasons and probably causes malfunctions to turn to jams in most cases.


This has been my experience as well.  Either that or just tore my palm up trying to make it serve its intended purpose.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 7:38:21 AM EDT
I actually do use my FA when loading my gun. It goes something like insert mag, pull charging handle to rear and let it slam home, then pull CH back for press check then release CH then hit FA to be extra sure BCG seated.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 8:11:12 AM EDT
I do the same, when loading quietly before a hunt. Pressing the FA to ensure bolt is seated.

And I have to admit,, I just like the looks of a forward assist, especially on an A1. Just me.. I know I'm quirky...
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 8:36:37 AM EDT
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I've used it with success twice. I don't see the need for discarding it to save an oz or two.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:01:29 AM EDT
It can make a FTF way worse because people forget that before the M16 came along that you just eject a round that wont chamber and load a fresh round...it makes more peoblems than it solves and was put on the rifle before or at the same time they barrels started to be chromed in the chamber and then bore.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:08:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MK5TRENCHKNIFE:
It can make a FTF way worse because people forget that before the M16 came along that you just eject a round that wont chamber and load a fresh round...it makes more peoblems than it solves and was put on the rifle before or at the same time they barrels started to be chromed in the chamber and then bore.
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Before that M16 came around, most charging handles were reciprocating.

Somehow, the idea that being able to directly influence the closing of the bolt didn't lead to an epidemic of Joes forcing bad rounds to chamber.  From the way these threads go, you'd think it would have been a serious problem.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:13:00 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:19:35 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:47:22 AM EDT
The forward assist is a "rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" feature on rifles.  I have used mine multiple times in the field.  More than once I've been sitting in a patrol base pulling security when the bottoms falls out of the sky.  Can't seek shelter when you're scanning sectors so you get soaked, including your weapon.   I remember once distinctly as a private after a downpour like that, we went to sleep afterwards and in the A.M., went on a mission and when went to charge the weapon the bolt stayed halfway charged just by friction.  granted it was an Uncle Sam beater  but without the FA I wouldn't have been able to get the bolt back in battery easily to be able to CLP it up.  I remember being skeptical as to its necessity before that, but never again after that day.  CLP and FA is your friend.  PLus with the width of the brass deflector, it doesn't get in the way on the profile of the rifle
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:56:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:

  Its a serious problem with AKs, dude will get a round to go halfway in, hit the charging handle forward. Great, now we have to get the punch rods out.

Id assume that back in the day they did what we did while teaching AK, tell people to just cycle in a new round and don't force it.

 
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Before that M16 came around, most charging handles were reciprocating.

Somehow, the idea that being able to directly influence the closing of the bolt didn't lead to an epidemic of Joes forcing bad rounds to chamber.  From the way these threads go, you'd think it would have been a serious problem.

  Its a serious problem with AKs, dude will get a round to go halfway in, hit the charging handle forward. Great, now we have to get the punch rods out.

Id assume that back in the day they did what we did while teaching AK, tell people to just cycle in a new round and don't force it.

 


Something that can still be done today.  No need to remove a useful feature that allows you to securely and firmly chamber a round.

I constantly read about people supposedly being trained to jam the hell out of that forward assist and force a bad round in.  I usually read also that this is supposedly the only feasible use for such a device.  I guess I must be doing it wrong, and I guess I've been trained wrong all these years.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 9:57:18 AM EDT
It's usefull for jamming damaged, dirty ammo into your chanber with hopes that the bolt will lock on it.  It's always good to fire-form your brass around whatever shit is stuck in the chamber.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:00:12 AM EDT
In the military I used it all the time when sand would get in the upper
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:07:31 AM EDT
If you want a cheaper rifle without a forward assist, then get one.
But don't try to justify your penuriousness by declaring that a forward assist is not needed.
Some people use it for peace of mind when the bolt doesn't lock or seat properly.
Otherwise, who cares if it's useful or not.

If you don't want one, then don't buy one.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:29:25 AM EDT
I used mine once actually shooting, other than that I just play around with it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:33:18 AM EDT
I've never used a forward assist on any of my AR's with 10's of thousands of rounds fired.  Now that I have said this, the next range visit I make will probably be plagued with issues and the need to use will arise.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:37:45 AM EDT
Yup. Used it this weekend. Carbine was pretty dirty and went to change mags. Slammed the mag in and pressed the bolt close latch. Bolt didn't go into battery, quick tap of the forward assist and it went home like normal.

So yeah, it's there when you need it.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:41:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By USSRangerSM:
when I am out deer huntingI use it often,in the morning while using my climber to go up the tree I have my gun unloaded...when I am settled in and put a round in the chamber I slowly and softly, quietly pull my charging handle backand slowly move it forward then use forward assist too close completely
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Same for me, on my 6.8 SPC. On my 5.56 rigs, I had to use it during one shooting session, where I was using a JP Silent Captured Buffer Spring from my varmint gun with my new 14.5" pinned Stag and full-auto BCG and it didn't have enough nuts to quite fully push the BCG forward, so I had to use it on almost every shot while sighting in my rifle. The varmint gun has a semi-auto BCG and cycles just fine with that particular buffer spring.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 10:49:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BB:
Good grief we JUST had this hash out a week ago, can you at least attempt to use search??  
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Good grief, if you don't like it then <removed - F> and look at a different thread. no one is forcing you to read or reply to these threads.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 11:11:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JustWhistle:
If you want a cheaper rifle without a forward assist, then get one.
But don't try to justify your penuriousness by declaring that a forward assist is not needed.
Some people use it for peace of mind when the bolt doesn't lock or seat properly.
Otherwise, who cares if it's useful or not.

If you don't want one, then don't buy one.
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 Come on now really?  Follow your own advise in the latter part of your comment and in case you haven't look the non FA uppers are more costly than FA standard forged in most cases.  I have both and OP your answer has been given and now we sit here spewing bullshit.............
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