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Posted: 2/25/2006 3:05:13 PM EDT
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permenantly attached flash suppressors are a major PITA 
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Posted: 2/25/2006 3:15:52 PM EDT
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The Phantom is a good flash hider. I've got one on a 14.5" barrel I have that is waiting for a few more parts and tools to turn into a complete gun.
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Posted: 2/25/2006 3:25:01 PM EDT
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They are only a PITA if you plan on swapping a FSB or installing/removing a FF handguard in the future. If you have it the way you want it, perm. flash hiders aren't a big deal. Go SBR if your state allows it, and solve both problems 
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Posted: 2/25/2006 3:50:57 PM EDT
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Nothing but the best...  |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 3:52:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2006 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Phantom 5C2 gets my vote
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Posted: 2/25/2006 5:57:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:10:12 PM EDT
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My 14.5 Bushmaster with closed bottom Phantom. Steve 
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:25:03 PM EDT
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Personally, I consider the Phantom the best over-all choice.
In all the photos of the ACTUAL flash I've seen, I don't think there is any appreciable difference between the phantom and vortex, and the phantom costs about half. Both are definitely better than the A2. |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 6:25:38 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 2/25/2006 7:31:26 PM EDT
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toss up between the vortex and phantom 5c1/5c2 for me.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 4:13:40 PM EDT
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Thanks. The Sabre in the other thread is starting to grow on me.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 4:31:52 PM EDT
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+1. I like the Extended A2 hider. If all i had was 14.5 barrels, these are what I'd use. Unfortunately, I have other AR's that have the real A2 FH, and I like them all to match, so I go for the 14.7 barrels. I guess I'm just nuts like that. 14.5+ Extended A2 is the cheaper route than what I like... |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 8:56:50 PM EDT
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I sent my 16" LMT upper to ADCO to chop it to 14.5" and permanently attach a Vortex. I'm very happy with it.
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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:03:37 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:03:40 PM EDT
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I know it's only looks, but if I had my barrel shortened and had something welded to it,
I'd at least want them to align the wrench slots... 
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Posted: 2/26/2006 9:27:14 PM EDT
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you dont index the vortex |
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Posted: 2/26/2006 11:08:18 PM EDT
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I know, I'm just saying from an attention to detail standpoint, aligning the wrench grooves to the sides of the rifle is something I would expect, that's all... |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 7:34:17 AM EDT
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I didn't even notice until you mentioned it. As stated, it's not indexed, so it doesn't bother me. |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 7:47:49 AM EDT
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Werd. And I concur that the only time a perm muzzle device is a problem is if you want to pull off the FSB to change one piece FF rails. If you use a Troy-Sampson-MI two piece it's not a problem at all. Well not if you have dremmel skilz.  |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 7:58:01 AM EDT
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The deciding factor being that the Phantoms won't "bloom" on you. (I know, I know... Smith fixed that problem.  )I certainly wouldn't want to gamble on having a permanently attached vortex that bloomed on my barrel. |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:37:14 AM EDT
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"bloom"...Thats a good way to describe it...  The newer improved SE Vortex is hardened beyond belief...Its impossible for them to bloom... Try drilling one for a pin and weld job and you'll agree... They also sell them with a pre-drilled hole because of that specific reason... |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:42:24 AM EDT
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That's a good idea! |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:46:00 AM EDT
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I've got a phantom on my 16" and it actually, really works! I did some low light testing one evening at the range between a stock supporessor, no suppressor, and the phantom. There was definately a noticable difference betweent he stock and phantom.
Of course, you can only do that if the FS is detachable. . .  To the AR group: I hear a lot of sales hype on flash suppressors with varying amounts of science behind all the sales puffing. Does any one have a link to something really scientific as to why some FS work and some don't? |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 11:48:59 AM EDT
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It's such a pretty flower! Seriously, the new Vortexes are tough as hell. I have faith in mine. But phantom, Vortex, who cares? Also, the Surefire QD can mount and Gemtech bilock will make length as well. |
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Posted: 2/27/2006 1:59:08 PM EDT
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I had one of the newer type Vortex FS open up when used on my AR pistol, in less than 50 rounds. I traded it in for a phantom and never looked back. I also didn't like the way the Vortex FSs like to snag on cloth and the padding in my gun case.
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