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Posted: 4/15/2006 5:23:07 PM EST
I have wanted a Rock River Arms Mid-length Carbine for some time now, but today I saw a Bushmaster M4 for $854 at Academy. I really would prefer the RRA, but walking out with the rifle right after I laided down the money is hard to pass up. Especially when having to waiting 2-4 weeks and deal with a FFL that I don't know (just moved to San Antonio).

How do these two rifle compare? Is the bushmaster as accurate as the RRA?
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 5:25:47 PM EST
IBTP

Rock River.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 5:27:01 PM EST
I have a Bushmaster. No problems to speak of.

I don't have experience with RRA, but I am probably going to go RRA for my next AR, just to give them a try. My understanding is that the two are approximately equal in quality.

RRA seems to be a bit cheaper, and more widely available.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 6:10:03 PM EST
If overall finish means anything to you the RRA rifles have about the best I have ever seen. Much better than most higher dollar AR15 brands. Almost no forging slag/seams etc. and an overall nice black finish. Friend has a Bushmaster and swears by it but I happen to have 2 RRA SBRs and I could have gotten whatever brand I wanted.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 6:14:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By SavageTactical:
I have wanted a Rock River Arms Mid-length Carbine for some time now, but today I saw a Bushmaster M4 for $854 at Academy. I really would prefer the RRA, but walking out with the rifle right after I laided down the money is hard to pass up. Especially when having to waiting 2-4 weeks and deal with a FFL that I don't know (just moved to San Antonio).

How do these two rifle compare? Is the bushmaster as accurate as the RRA?



I am partial to Bushmaster if purchasing a complete rifle because I own one! With that said, I would have no problems with purchasing a complete RRA, Stag, or S&W AR-15. As for builds, I have used J&T/Double Star for "low priced" builds, and am satisfied with them too. One of these days, I plan to have a POF upper and stripped lower to put together (but I won't comment on price).

Question, did the Bushmaster you saw at Academy have a fixed A1 or A2 style carry handle? If so, it will limit you on a choice of optics, if you are planning on adding them. If not, that is a darn good price for a complete Bushmaster w/detachable carry handle.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 6:19:56 PM EST
either one

i'd probably go RRA, just for the cost issues
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 6:25:08 PM EST
I really like the looks of the RRA Elite CAR A4....Check the PM I sent ya.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 6:30:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/15/2006 6:30:55 PM EST by kujo929]
RRA. My buddy has a bushmaster and wants to sell it for an RRA after using mine. It's been 100% reliable and the national match trigger is awesome. You can't go wrong.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 7:38:42 PM EST
I have both and either one is fine.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 7:44:02 PM EST
Whatever one you get a better deal on.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 8:15:03 PM EST
Buy RRA now, save some money and buy BM or the other way around and in between get a Colt.
Either way you are addicted
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 9:35:04 PM EST
They're both excellent rifles, but if you prefer the RRA, 2-4 weeks isn't really too bad of a wait. You might call RRA and see if they can refer you to a dealer in your area that might have one in stock.
Link Posted: 4/15/2006 10:06:13 PM EST
Can't go wrong with a Colt

Link Posted: 4/15/2006 10:51:20 PM EST
I have 3 RRA and 1 Bushy...happy with all of them so I don't think you'll go wrong wither way.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 12:51:25 AM EST
I have a RRA Upper on my build'; i am thoroughly satisfied with its performance, Bushy rifles are excellent as well.

You can't go wrong with either.

(Personally, If I was to get a Bushy, I'd swap the round handguard for the M4 Fatty ones).
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:09:54 AM EST
Bushmaster would be my 1st pick.


From what I hear you cant go wrong with RRA either
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:10:55 AM EST
Tagged for the guy who is gonna say "COLT" in real big bold black letters.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:57:28 AM EST
For fit, finish, and $$$ you cant go wrong with RRA
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:52:39 AM EST
+1 for rra
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:54:34 AM EST
I'm really happy with my RRA.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 3:55:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By PocketG:
Can't go wrong with a Colt

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+1 nice rig
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:11:47 AM EST
I had three AR's. 2 RRA's and 1 Bushy. I got rid of my Bushy.

Top to bottom:
Bushy XM15E2S HBar
RRA CARA4


RRA Elite CARA4


Traded Bushy for this


Was not impressed by the Bushmaster. The fit and finish was not up to par with RRA. That, and I don't like an A2 aperture on a carbine. I did like the Colt M16A4 I was issued.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:12:04 AM EST
Yeah, but what accuracy could I expect from the bushmaster? here is a link to the particular bushmaster:

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp

Which one would be more accurate? The Mid-length RRA or the Bushmaster?
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:28:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/16/2006 6:44:32 AM EST by CopeLC]
With iron sights, the RRA Middy is going to be more accurate because you have a longer sight radius. The front sight is further away from the rear sight on a Middy than on a Carbine. The Middy sight radius is ~2" longer.

With a scope and a bipod, I can shoot groups with my Middy that can be covered up by a dime at 100yds, largely due to the 2 stage trigger.

RRA guarantees 1MOA (a 1" diameter group), which is being modest, at 100yds.
Elite CARA4

Do you see any guarantee from Bushmaster?
Your Bushy
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:46:40 AM EST
I have both. Rock River has a better price.

Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:53:03 AM EST
I'd recommend getting a chrome-lined RRA, their fit and finish is much better than the late Bushys.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 11:30:18 AM EST
If it were me I would go RRA, but Bushie is okay too.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 1:32:11 PM EST
Both make great rifles. If one is less expensive or readily available I wouldn't hesitate to buy either. The RRA or other 2 stage triggers will drop right into a Bushy lower if you are overly concerned about a 2 stage trigger. I have a Bushmaster that I would grab in a heartbeat if the SHTF. It's been good to me. The accuracy of these rifles are ideally the same i shot this group with my M4A3 Bushmaster's iron sights at 70yds from the prone. It was 120 rounds of the Winchester white box. And I'm not the greatest of shooters.
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 6:08:31 PM EST
I went with the RRA Entry Tactical and love it. I was most impressed by the overall fit and finish quality and the input of other members on the board. If you don't want to wait there are RRA stocking dealers in Texas that also hit all of the shows. I walked in an out in 15 minutes with mine under my arm.-22

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2019/p10100031ek1.jpg
Link Posted: 4/16/2006 7:28:56 PM EST
The best AR-15's are RRA $$ or Colt $$$.

Do you have $$ or $$$?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 3:56:20 AM EST
I am looking at buying me a new AR I had one before the Clinton/Brady ban went through, I sold it as it was a Colt and was a POS I will never by another Colt. I am looking at a Bushmaster or RRA after reading what has been posted I think that both will be just as good.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 4:04:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:25:43 AM EST
Or he could keep his money and just bump fire...hehehahahahHAHAHAHAH!
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:33:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/20/2006 6:36:59 PM EST by RRAMAN]
+1 for rock river, own one, works great, looks awesome. It was my first build and has worked flawlessly. Aprox. 400 rounds through it and no problems so far. Also be sure to get a chrome-lined barrell.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j183/Tyler_G320/000_0229.jpg
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:14:50 PM EST
RRA is my personal preference. But that's just me.

Be bold, get both. Then tell us what you think.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:22:04 PM EST
I have not read one bad thing about RRA yet. Bushy use to get all the pub but lately looks like RRA is the best alternative to Colt.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:24:37 PM EST
does the phrase "a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush" get the bushy if it is the style you want.
I myself went the other way and ordered a RRA. Week number 7 of waiting.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:26:14 PM EST
RRA all the way. And you should buy my complete lower in the EE! Seriously, RRA is "as good" as Bushmaster and probably better in some ways. I think their fit and finish is great! Bushmaster makes a fine rifle, but RRA is equal and less expensive!
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 7:33:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/17/2006 7:35:03 PM EST by texmarine0331]
IMHO

OR



Not really fond of Bushmasters but, to each his own.
Link Posted: 4/18/2006 4:19:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/18/2006 4:21:18 PM EST by Chesh97]
I have had both. I started with the bushmaster, then sent it back for a full refund after having several problems with a canted front sight and shitty customer service. I now have a rock river entry tactical and love it. The difference to me was very appearant. The rock river looked much nicer, the two stage trigger is worlds above the stock bushmaster, and I like the hogue grip. Not that you couldn't just add a hogue grip and a 2-stage to a bushmaster, but hey, they are standard on thr RRA. The only downfall I notice is that my RRA seems heavier in the front end than my BM partolmans carbine was, but all in all, I vote RRA!

ETA- Make sure to get a chrome lined barrel.
Link Posted: 4/18/2006 5:01:20 PM EST
Bushmaster. I prefer the standard chrome lined 4150 bbl over the RRA'a 4140 bbl on which chrome lining is an option. I also don't like a 2 stage trigger on a defensive carbine so the RRA 2 stage trigger is not a bonus for me but strictly for a target gun it is nice. As for accuracy both rifles are likely more accurate than you can shoot them. I have had two Bushies and they have ran perfect without a single hiccup. RRA is also a great rifle and I would highly reccommend them but I prefer Bushy. I have also had nothing but awesome customer service from Bushy.
Link Posted: 4/18/2006 7:37:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By SavageTactical:
Yeah, but what accuracy could I expect from the bushmaster? here is a link to the particular bushmaster:

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16m4.asp

Which one would be more accurate? The Mid-length RRA or the Bushmaster?



Both of these rifles could do under 1MOA at 100 yards. It really depends on the shooter.
Link Posted: 4/18/2006 7:45:20 PM EST
Just shot my RRA upper middy first time. >1 MOA, red dot sight, 100yds. Very pleased. don't know about the Bushie.
Link Posted: 4/18/2006 8:53:09 PM EST
Meh flip a coin

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