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Posted: 2/18/2006 10:21:01 AM EDT
The ammo box says it is M193, does anyone know on this if it is accurate? Will it fragment like M193?

I did do a search and found nothing on this site.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 10:29:55 AM EDT
Havent seen any tests on frag... but choron data posted a long time ago showed it not to be as hot as some M193 ammo.... but not as cold as commercial .223 55 FMJ or Wolf.

The brass in .223 is not good.... it is boxer, but a lot of the factory stuff has bad case necks... split, crushed, etc... right from the factory.

I love their pistol stuff, but I general stay away from their rifle ammo.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 10:36:50 AM EDT
I bought 500 rounds in the green boxes a year ago and shot it with no problems
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 10:39:01 AM EDT
I had o return their .30 cal because the heads were so soft that they would deform on the ramp and hang up.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 11:09:19 AM EDT
I was thinking of this over Q3131, sounds like I would be better off with Q3131.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 11:20:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ronnoc:
I was thinking of this over Q3131, sounds like I would be better off with Q3131.



Generally, you are almost always better off using domestically produced new ammunition, at the same or close price ranges.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 11:49:50 AM EDT
Bad experience with their .38spl ammo.
3 out of 5 chambered rounds in the S&W Airweight snubby ended up with split brass from case mouth to base... the other 45 rounds were promptly trashed.

For comparison, No problems ever from Win, Rem, Fed or my own reloads.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 12:00:04 PM EDT
S&B good stuff M193 suppose to be slower? dont matter
I like the SS109 also wich is hot
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 12:26:51 PM EDT
I've shot a lot of S&B in 9mm, .45ACP, and .223. All calibers have been reliable in my guns, and I'd use them if they were still the least expensive.

Some points about the 55gr FMJ .223 "M193" ...

I've not chrono'd it in my guns, but since others here have and say it's too slow to be M193, I believe them (which is also why I call it .223 and not 5.56 or M193. Also, it has a mild steel jacket that is copper clad, so it's unlikely to fragment, regardless of the velocity. Another artifact of the steel jacket is that it makes quite a show of sparks when you shoot steel with it (at appropriate distance on proper rifle targets).

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 12:31:00 PM EDT
Their 9mm Luger ammo is very decent stuff, its all I use in my Glock 17 currently. I use their 223 only for offhanded standing or kneeling stance practise since its inherent accuracy is not of much use when shooting for tight groups.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 3:20:25 PM EDT
I shot over 600 rounds of the stuff (55gr FMJ) at a 3-day carbine class, and was very happy with it, both in terms of accuracy and reliability. It hit where I wanted it to, always went bang, and wasn't too hard to clean up on (certainly better than Wolf). For bulk, it's hard to beat for the value, and I'll be buying more.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:26:11 PM EDT
To clarify my above post, the S&B .223 shoots about 2.5MOA out of my rifle which is OK by my standards (when not shooting precision, where I expect groups to be around MOA for the same rifle). To concur with Bonk, I never had any failures with it. Smells a bit like piss though
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:38:43 PM EDT
Gots me a Colt 20" H-Bar 1/9, which eats the S & B stuff regular; no hiccups whatsoever.

Get some--try it out; if it works ok, buy a bunch!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:08:01 PM EDT
I've shot several of the light green boxes of it without any problems. Seemed to be OK as far as accuracy goes - not great, but not that bad either.

However, it will not fragment. The jacket is made of soft steel. If you hold a magnet to it the magnet will want to stick. It looks about the same color as the brass because they use a thin brass coating over the bare steel jacket to protect the barrel a little bit, and to help prevent any rust from forming on the bullet itself. The steel jacket is stronger than the guilding metal we use, so it holds together and won't fragment.



-K
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:56:17 PM EDT
I went through a few cases several years ago when it was dirt cheap. I did have a few splits at the neck, but it was reliable. No flash retardant.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:12:06 PM EDT
I tried out a couple of hundred rounds for training once...no notable problems and at 50 yards I couldn't tell my groups from 193 or Q3131A but I stuck with WWB because A its American, B the brass is better for when I get around to taking up reloading and C I can get it at WalyWorld for less without having to dick around with an order.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:13:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
I tried out a couple of hundred rounds for training once...no notable problems and at 50 yards I couldn't tell my groups from 193 or Q3131A but I stuck with WWB because A its American, B the brass is better for when I get around to taking up reloading and C I can get it at WalyWorld for less without having to dick around with an order.



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