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Posted: 1/18/2012 3:55:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2012 3:56:46 PM EST by sinlessorrow]
now this is an awesome mag, which i am excited to release they finally ditched the arms mount and made it smaller and it now has a dipoted, with a extended eye relief as well as angle
EoTech will introduce the G33 3.25X magnifier at SHOT Show 2012 next week in Las Vegas. This new magnifier offers an adjustable diopter for improved, more precise focusing, according to the company. The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. This magnifier is also more compact than the company's G23. The G33 model needs only 3.9 inches of rail space. Also, eye relief has been extended to 2.2 inches, which allows for a more comfortable cheek weld while shooting. The angle of field of view has also been increased to 7.3 degrees, which gives the operator increased left-to-right situational awareness. The new Quick Switch to Side mount twists the magnifier out of the way for shorter range shots and can easily be knocked back into place for distance. Operators can pair the G33 magnifier with an EoTech holographic sight to extend shooting range out to nearly 600 meters. The G33 is available in black and tan and will be availabe in the spring. It retails for $589. flipped to side 
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Posted: 1/18/2012 4:46:47 PM EST
$589 - Ouch!
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Posted: 1/18/2012 4:47:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2012 4:48:10 PM EST by sinlessorrow]
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! about average for magnifiers. thats also MSRP we all know it wont be that much |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2012 5:33:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2012 5:34:15 PM EST by wyager]
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. |
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Posted: 1/18/2012 6:37:36 PM EST
Sweet!
Can't wait for this to come out! It means I'll be able to pick up a G23 on the EE cheap! 
What is this now, the Gen. III magnifier? I tried their old Gen. I, and couldn't really "get behind it" at the time. I've modified my approach, and just received an Aimpoint 3x in a LaRue mount today that I'm giving a [re]shot. Maybe if I can get it to work satisfactorily for me, and another 3x magnifier doesn't end up on the EE from me at about a $100 hit, I'll grab a G23 for one of my Block 2 clones, since it seems like a popular option, and I do use the heck out of some EOTechs, but I doubt it'll ever end up as anything more than a novelty for me compared to a good variable. ~Augee |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2012 9:59:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2012 10:01:01 PM EST by hallstar606]
you guys are the reason we cant buy a optic off the EE, you have too try and put one on the ten AR's you have built, calm down, or tell me where you come up with 1000 bucks on the spot for a acog too say ILL TAKE IT, LOL
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Posted: 1/19/2012 5:15:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By hallstar606:
you guys are the reason we cant buy a optic off the EE, you have too try and put one on the ten AR's you have built, calm down, or tell me where you come up with 1000 bucks on the spot for a acog too say ILL TAKE IT, LOL If you're talking to me: I like ramen. 
~Augee |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 5:42:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2012 5:43:26 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 5:45:21 AM EST
The G23 sells for about $549 on average. Maybe we can get a good sale on this when it hits the market.
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Posted: 1/19/2012 6:34:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 6:51:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2012 6:51:43 AM EST by SuperSet72]
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. I should hope that as a consumer, you factor in pricing on all your purchases. |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 7:06:29 AM EST
Interested!
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2012 12:18:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By hallstar606:
you guys are the reason we cant buy a optic off the EE, you have too try and put one on the ten AR's you have built, calm down, or tell me where you come up with 1000 bucks on the spot for a acog too say ILL TAKE IT, LOL If you're talking to me: I like ramen.
~Augee i just mean everyone in general, they build 10 rifles and take all the optics on EE |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 12:20:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hangtown-Shooter:
Interested! ––––––-^this^––––––-, I would love to ditch the one I have now, the mount sucks |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 1:15:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Augee:
<snip> It means I'll be able to pick up a G23 on the EE cheap!
<snip> My thoughts exactly 
After I go back to work that is 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2012 3:34:33 PM EST
I just want the new mount! The A.R.M.S. mount is crap on my G23. It really should lock up tight with zero wiggle for the price. (BTW, I know it does not effect accuracy- just annoying the reticle is NEVER back in the same place when i flip the magnifier back over)
Any word on just being able to upgrade to the FTS mount? |
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Posted: 1/19/2012 7:21:45 PM EST
Just got a G23 this week.
Not impressed by the ARMS mount, LaRue has a FTS mount that looks good. I'll likely not give up the 23 for 33.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2012 9:53:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. I gotta call bullshit on this, bud. I don't mind paying for quality and realize that some things still cost a lot in a society where Division of Labor makes us strong but a $600 magnifier is getting close to the price of an ACOG that has an internal mechanism, and the handling and regulation of dealing with Tritium built into the pricetag. A magnifier is just a tube with coated lenses, seals and a mount. They are out of their minds.... |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:39:57 AM EST
Have to agree with TheOtherDave. Even when you give the mount a Samson price tag of $250 or so, that is still insane. The mags have WAY less engineering and technology than the EoTech sights themselves, so please explain why they command the same price tag? I'm not trying to hijack this thread or give myself a bad name in this community, but I truly believe that with this one, you're buying the name on the side, not the best of the best. And yes, I LOVE EoTech's sights. Just not their mags.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:03:40 AM EST
What i dont understand is how people critisize eotech for their ma prices yet say nothing against aimpoint and theirs which in general is more expensive than eotech.
Unless you get the jordan military aimpoin mags there more than eotechs. I also understand the acog thing but an eotech exps3-0 and a mag will run around $1100 which allows you cqb and distance va the fixed of an acog |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:05:26 AM EST
Sorry, this'll be my last post on the subject. I feel the same about Aimpoint mags. It's not exactly the price itself, it's the mag to sight price ratio. If the mags were say 50-60 percent of the cost of the sights, I could swallow it.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:46:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By crmiller84:
Sorry, this'll be my last post on the subject. I feel the same about Aimpoint mags. It's not exactly the price itself, it's the mag to sight price ratio. If the mags were say 50-60 percent of the cost of the sights, I could swallow it. This argument has gone on several times in the past here. Never a consensus - however Primary ARMS offers magnifiers that are simple and much more affordable, and many will fit in popular mounts that are available like the LT. Some people prefer to pay for the expensive magnifier and have the security and "brand name power" behind it, others prefer to buy more bargain minded magnifiers. Neither is the "right" answer. It's just a matter of preference. ~Augee |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:04:40 PM EST
Atleast it's getting more features for almost the same money? A step in the Right direction. More eye relief (I think I read that) and the diopter. I have strong eyes and my g23 takes a second to focus.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2012 2:22:35 AM EST
I like it -something else to buy
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2012 1:34:38 PM EST
Will the g33 be produced here or is it coming over on the next ship
 
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USA
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Posted: 1/21/2012 1:40:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. I dont know, them chinese since buying America from Obama has been putting some very good stuff out
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Posted: 1/21/2012 1:42:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. +100 and BINGO! Love the "Weekend Dirt Shooters" bit. 
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Posted: 1/21/2012 5:28:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By cemac:
Will the g33 be produced here or is it coming over on the next ship I believe Eotech products are made in Michigan |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2012 6:48:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By SuperSet72:
$589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. Damn man. I know idiots are frustrating but you need a beer. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:14:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/23/2012 2:15:32 AM EST by Rebound]
I'm just gonna stay out of this for my own good.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2012 3:34:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By cemac:
Will the g33 be produced here or is it coming over on the next ship I believe Eotech products are made in Michigan That's good, will the G33 replace the G23? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2012 5:05:48 AM EST
would you wait for the G33 instead of the G23? Do u guys think its a much better magnifier?
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:05:33 PM EST
I'm all for buying quality optics, but cant stomach the price of the magnifier, which has no internal adjustments to deal with, Reticles to be designed and implimented, no electronics. Just a magnifing tube that costs much more than the optic its going behind, since most eotechs run around 400.00.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:32:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
I'm all for buying quality optics, but cant stomach the price of the magnifier, which has no internal adjustments to deal with, Reticles to be designed and implimented, no electronics. Just a magnifing tube that costs much more than the optic its going behind, since most eotechs run around 400.00. you do realize all magnifiers have adjustments right? |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2012 5:00:08 PM EST
I'm curious if the G33 mount will work with a G23, looks considerably simplified over the current Arms/Samson affair.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2012 3:59:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. Incorrect. The magnifier magnifies the reticle and target by the same amount. The center dot is still 1 MOA (not .3 MOA). It still covers roughly 1" at 100 yds, magnified or not. |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 4:37:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By Lumpy196: Originally Posted By SuperSet72: $589 - Ouch! And here we go. FIRST FUCKING POST. This entire thread will be dominated by weekend dirt shooters who want to know why it costs more than something comparable from China. QUALITY OPTICS COST MORE THAN A 24 PACK OF BUD LIGHT. I gotta call bullshit on this, bud. I don't mind paying for quality and realize that some things still cost a lot in a society where Division of Labor makes us strong but a $600 magnifier is getting close to the price of an ACOG that has an internal mechanism, and the handling and regulation of dealing with Tritium built into the pricetag. A magnifier is just a tube with coated lenses, seals and a mount. They are out of their minds.... Please show me an ACOG with an MSRP of less than a thousand dollars (which is roughly DOUBLE the EO magnifier's MSRP). |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 7:54:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
I'm all for buying quality optics, but cant stomach the price of the magnifier, which has no internal adjustments to deal with, Reticles to be designed and implimented, no electronics. Just a magnifing tube that costs much more than the optic its going behind, since most eotechs run around 400.00. you do realize all magnifiers have adjustments right? What is being mechanically adjusted inside of the magnifier? |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 8:22:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
I'm all for buying quality optics, but cant stomach the price of the magnifier, which has no internal adjustments to deal with, Reticles to be designed and implimented, no electronics. Just a magnifing tube that costs much more than the optic its going behind, since most eotechs run around 400.00. you do realize all magnifiers have adjustments right? What is being mechanically adjusted inside of the magnifier? Proper alignment of the magnifying lenses in relation to the holographic sight for a perfect sight picture... and no, not ALL magnifiers are adjustable... only the higher end ones normally are. |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 9:09:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hangtown-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By Slimjim:
I'm all for buying quality optics, but cant stomach the price of the magnifier, which has no internal adjustments to deal with, Reticles to be designed and implimented, no electronics. Just a magnifing tube that costs much more than the optic its going behind, since most eotechs run around 400.00. you do realize all magnifiers have adjustments right? What is being mechanically adjusted inside of the magnifier? Proper alignment of the magnifying lenses in relation to the holographic sight for a perfect sight picture... and no, not ALL magnifiers are adjustable... only the higher end ones normally are. well true, but the aimpoint and eotechs have adjustable lenses |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 11:24:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/24/2012 5:19:47 PM EST by getchevyn]
Cost too much. Already got 2 aimpoint 3x magnifier for the same price last month.
edit: that's 2 magnifiers for $300 each. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2012 3:52:23 PM EST
that works out perfectly I will be looking for a Magnifier/Holographic combo come spring time
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2012 11:08:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Please show me an ACOG with an MSRP of less than a thousand dollars (which is roughly DOUBLE the EO magnifier's MSRP). Not MSRP, but <$1000 none the less. www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=735 www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=280 |
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Posted: 1/25/2012 1:21:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/25/2012 1:23:44 PM EST by MARSH1]
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. That line was written by someone in the marketing department. The magnifier increases the size of the target and the reticle so they stay in the same proportion. The center DOT is 1 MOA so at 100 yards it will cover approximately 1" of the target with and without the magnifier. We ordered these at SHOT, love the mount. Marshall |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2012 1:50:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/25/2012 1:57:24 PM EST by wyager]
Originally Posted By TexAg10:
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. Incorrect. The magnifier magnifies the reticle and target by the same amount. The center dot is still 1 MOA (not .3 MOA). It still covers roughly 1" at 100 yds, magnified or not. Originally Posted By MARSH1:
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. That line was written by someone in the marketing department. The magnifier increases the size of the target and the reticle so they stay in the same proportion. The center DOT is 1 MOA so at 100 yards it will cover approximately 1" of the target with and without the magnifier. We ordered these at SHOT, love the mount. Marshall Nope and nope. I've posted L3 PDFs files and other official notes like 5 times now, no one seems to read them. I'll just quote them here. First, from Wikipedia: "Since a laser is used as the light source, the aiming reticle can be an infinitely small dot whose perceived size is given by the acuity of the eye. For someone with 20/20 vision, it is about 1 MoA." Second, from DTIC.mil: "Dot size limited only by eye resolution to 1 m.o.a." "Effective dot size is 0.25 m.o.a. or 1 “ at 400 yards" From an L3 EOTech technical brochure: "True point source aiming dot – covers only 1.6 inches at 600m" "The unique Holographic technology allows the center dot to remain 1 moa in size, while the angular size of the target is magnified – only 47mm (1.8”) at 600m with the 4x magnifier" There are some other PDFs out there too, but they take a while to find. EOTech says "1 MOA" because they don't want to bother explaining to people how visual acuity works. |
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Posted: 1/25/2012 2:43:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/27/2012 8:55:46 AM EST by MARSH1]
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By TexAg10:
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. Incorrect. The magnifier magnifies the reticle and target by the same amount. The center dot is still 1 MOA (not .3 MOA). It still covers roughly 1" at 100 yds, magnified or not. Originally Posted By MARSH1:
Originally Posted By wyager:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
The magnifier increases the size of the target rather than the reticle. Just so no one is confused, the magnifier does increase the size of the reticle, but the center dot in an EOTech is so small to begin with (about .3MOA) that you won't notice the difference unless you have amazing eyesight. I wish L3 was more clear about that, the way they advertise it is very confusing. That line was written by someone in the marketing department. The magnifier increases the size of the target and the reticle so they stay in the same proportion. The center DOT is 1 MOA so at 100 yards it will cover approximately 1" of the target with and without the magnifier. We ordered these at SHOT, love the mount. Marshall Nope and nope. I've posted L3 PDFs files and other official notes like 5 times now, no one seems to read them. I'll just quote them here. First, from Wikipedia: "Since a laser is used as the light source, the aiming reticle can be an infinitely small dot whose perceived size is given by the acuity of the eye. For someone with 20/20 vision, it is about 1 MoA." Second, from DTIC.mil: "Dot size limited only by eye resolution to 1 m.o.a." "Effective dot size is 0.25 m.o.a. or 1 “ at 400 yards" From an L3 EOTech technical brochure: "True point source aiming dot – covers only 1.6 inches at 600m" "The unique Holographic technology allows the center dot to remain 1 moa in size, while the angular size of the target is magnified – only 47mm (1.8”) at 600m with the 4x magnifier" There are some other PDFs out there too, but they take a while to find. EOTech says "1 MOA" because they don't want to bother explaining to people how visual acuity works. Take one to the range and then report back. I will do the same. Will do a 100yard test at the shop tomorrow. EDIT TO ADD: If I am wrong I will eat crow and give you a killer deal on your next AR related purchase. Will also talk to our main contact at EOTech 1/26 edit: At 100 yards with a Aimpoint 3X it sure looks like the dot stays the same in relation to the target but I left a message for Mike at EOTech to clarify. 1/27 EDIT: Using the 65 MOA ring instead of the dot confirms the reticle is magnified along with the target. Sounds like they are talking about how the eye perceives the dot under magnification but waiting for feedback from EOTech. Just talked with Mike at EOTech. Great discussion and now I have a better understanding of the advantage of using a EOTech with a magnifier. wyager is correct in that the dot is actually smaller than 1MOA. The eye can not process that so it looks like 1MOA. When magnified with the 3.3X magnifier it is magnified along with the target and now is closer to actually being 1MOA but we perceive it as the same size. Can't wait to mount up one of the new magnifiers. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2012 3:40:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/25/2012 3:40:29 PM EST by wyager]
Originally Posted By MARSH1:
Take one to the range and then report back. I will do the same. Will do a 100yard test at the shop tomorrow. Remember that the dot only starts to look at all bigger after 4x magnification. You will probably need something from 12-20x to actually notice the size change (or to measure the dot against a gridded target). |
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DEU
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Posted: 1/30/2012 4:51:05 AM EST
Thats really very nice news cause i want buy in the next weeks a EXPS3.0 with magnifer so i will wait now for the G33. The new version is little bit better for me for midrange shooting.
Did anybody know, when comes the G33 to the US dealers ? I have read maybe march or april but cant wait so long  Hopefully it comes earlier
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Posted: 1/30/2012 6:13:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Jupzup:
Thats really very nice news cause i want buy in the next weeks a EXPS3.0 with magnifer so i will wait now for the G33. The new version is little bit better for me for midrange shooting. Did anybody know, when comes the G33 to the US dealers ? I have read maybe march or april but cant wait so long Hopefully it comes earlier Should be fall of this year |
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Posted: 2/12/2012 2:31:51 AM EST
I had tried an Aimpoint clone, just to add this in the mix with my real one, and let's just say you get what you pay for. The eye relief was shorter, the adjustments to center the view was limited. I wouldn't feel bad if you are only going to use it with an RDS in it's price range.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2012 11:44:23 PM EST
Glad I did not buy the G23 magnifier yet. I'll wait for the G33 now!
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